Aintree - Hucklebuck V Huntley Tipping Comp

hucklebuck

This thread is only for selections posted by either myself or Huntley, the other tipping threads for Aintree are open to everyone and are:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056918040

And

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056907810

The format we have agreed on is a

* 10 points per day of the festival to be used as you like
* Win or each way bets acceptable
* Single bets only, no forecasts or tricasts
* W/o markets are fine
* €100 to the winner from the other participant.

* High street prices. Will do Best Odds Guaranteed regardless of bookmaker.
* No bookies specials.

Good luck Huntley and hopefully we can both supply some good selections.

hucklebuck

As previously stated I will be off the radar until about Sunday so if I am getting guff and not replying, I will get back to you

2:00 Irish Saint 10/3 (Stan James) 1pt win
3:05 The New One 10/3 (Powers) 4pts win
3:40 Cool Friend 50/1 (B365) 1pt ew
4:15 Silver Roque 12/1 (B365) 1.5pts win
5:25 Lienosus 10/1 (Lads) 1.5pts win

10pts


While the 1.5pts looks odd for the last two I did that purely so I could have a bit more on The New One, he looks a class act. FYI Hills are going 4/1 about him from 8:30 in the morning so I will be having some of that.

Can I get a third party volunteer that will post my selections for Friday and Saturday if I PM them to you? I will throw you the price of a couple of pints.

Arctic89

I'll do it hucklebuck.

May be hungover Saturday though so it might be nearly 1pm before I can post them then if that's ok?

Edit: and no need for the pints, I'll do it for the fun!

hucklebuck

Thanks Artic, Ste already sent me a pm saying he would post them.

Arctic89

No worries hucklebuck.

Best of luck to both yourself and Huntley anyway, looking forward to watching it unfold.

Huntley

14:00 Vasco Du Ronceray 1 point win at 8/1 (Bet365)
15:05 Grandouet 6 points win at 9/2 (Skybet)
15:40 Warne 2 point win at 13/2 (PaddyPower)
16:15 Stagecoach Pearl 0.5 points e/w at 50/1 (Ladbrokes)

hucklebuck

God damn it, my first three selections beaten 7 lengths in total, 50/1 beaten a neck!

Huntley

Hucklebuck - 12.5 pts
Huntley - 0 pts

15:05 Cue Card w/o the favourite 8 points win at 13/8 (totesport)
15:40 Gullible Gordon 1 point win at 12/1 (Boylesports)
16:50 Cotton Mill 1 point win at 8/1 (WillHill)

hucklebuck

2:30 - Super Duty 5/1 1pt win
3:05 - Cue Card 13/8 w/o(totesport) - 4pt win
4:15 - Gevrey Chambertain 11/1(Ladbrokes) 1pt ew, w/o 5/1(Vc Bet) 1pt win
4:50 - Native Gallery 25/1(Ladbrokes) 1pt ew

Hoping for more luck today

Good luck anyone following us.

Huntley

hucklebuck wrote: »

2:30 - Super Duty 5/1 1pt win
3:05 - Cue Card 13/8 w/o(totesport) - 4pt win
4:15 - Gevrey Chambertain 11/1(Ladbrokes) 1pt ew, w/o 5/1(Vc Bet) 1pt win
4:50 - Native Gallery 25/1(Ladbrokes) 1pt ew

Hoping for more luck today

Good luck anyone following us.

Just out of interest, do these selections correlate with the ones you posted to ste?

To clarify, the reason for using him was to reduce any attempts of syndication. I was under the assumption a medium was being used by yourself so didn't need to myself.

ste2010

Huntley wrote: »

Just out of interest, do these selections correlate with the ones you posted to ste?

To clarify, the reason for using him was to reduce any attempts of syndication. I was under the assumption a medium was being used by yourself so didn't need to myself.

I didn't get any this morning Huntey - I think I may be used and abused only tomorrow as he is going away for the weekend

Huntley

ste2010 wrote: »

I didn't get any this morning Huntey - I think I may be used and abused only tomorrow as he is going away for the weekend

Thanks Ste. Well it is blatantly obvious what has happened here anyway.

Hucklebuck, please specify when you are using a medium or not. I won't be posting my selections freely for you to pick and choose, which is blatantly what you have done here. More so obvious that there was no 13/8 Cue Card w/o the favourite when you posted. A blatant case of syndication and very unsporting on your part to be honest.

Huntley

hucklebuck wrote: »

2:30 - Super Duty 5/1 1pt win
3:05 - Cue Card 13/8 w/o(totesport) - 4pt win
4:15 - Gevrey Chambertain 11/1(Ladbrokes) 1pt ew, w/o 5/1(Vc Bet) 1pt win
4:50 - Native Gallery 25/1(Ladbrokes) 1pt ew

Hoping for more luck today

Good luck anyone following us.

Cue Card w/o the favourite is 11/8 with totesport since 10:24 am this morning.

RichieLawlor

Huntley wrote: »

Cue Card w/o the favourite is 11/8 with totesport since 10:24 am this morning.

So I guess you both have 11/8 then

Huntley

RichieLawlor wrote: »

So I guess you both have 11/8 then

Obviously he was 13/8 when I selected and posted 3 minutes later but I won't dispute that. This is a sporting competition after all for a small sum of money.

I'm disappointed that hucklebuck quite clearly, and cynically, selected one selection based on mine with a view to maintaining a lead. I was led to believe I could post my selections without the possibility of syndication, and specifically made sure to post earlier than ste/him so mine couldn't be questioned. When premierstone took part I changed selections that were similar to his because it was unsporting that I was able to see his first before I posted.

Anyway hucklebuck send me on your details there, the money is obviously more important to yourself if you are willing to behave like that.

RichieLawlor

Huntley wrote: »

Obviously he was 13/8 when I selected and posted 3 minutes later but I won't dispute that. This is a sporting competition after all for a small sum of money.

I'm disappointed that hucklebuck quite clearly, and cynically, selected one selection based on mine with a view to maintaining a lead. I was led to believe I could post my selections without that, and specifically made sure to do it earlier than ste/him. When premierstone took part I changed selections that were similar to his because it was unsporting that I was able to see his first.

Anyway hucklebuck send me on your details there, the money is obviously more important to yourself if you are willing to behave like that.

For once I agree and it obv looks like you have a point. My post above was just a rib

ste2010

Huntley wrote: »

specifically made sure to post earlier than ste/him so mine couldn't be questioned.

You'd want to get up earlier than 10.24 to beat me at posting my selections Huntey I would have posted mine last Thursday at 7.30..your lucky I didnt engage in this competition;)

Huntley

BOG on Cue Card without the favourite.

Hucklebuck - 19 pts
Huntley - 13 pts

Ste I'm going to send you my selections if you don't mind, they might come through in drips and drabs though. When you have all my selections and/or hucklebuck's you can post them tomorrow simultaneously. If hucklebuck decides to post by himself then you can post mine afterwards as I will be unable to alter them. Cheers.

ste2010

Huntley wrote: »

BOG on Cue Card without the favourite.

Hucklebuck - 19 pts
Huntley - 13 pts

Ste I'm going to send you my selections if you don't mind, they might come through in drips and drabs though. When you have all my selections and/or hucklebuck's you can post them tomorrow simultaneously. If hucklebuck decides to post by himself then you can post mine afterwards as I will be unable to alter them. Cheers.

No probs Huntey!

Colonel Sanders

Huntley wrote: »

Ste I'm going to send you my selections if you don't mind, they might come through in drips and drabs though. When you have all my selections and/or hucklebuck's you can post them tomorrow simultaneously. If hucklebuck decides to post by himself then you can post mine afterwards as I will be unable to alter them. Cheers.

I think this is fair enough. Not saying there was skull duggery at play but it dispels the notion

If people on here go head to head in future it might be the way to go

ste2010

The selections are in - thank you Huntey and Hucklebuck! All selections were received throughout the evening yesterday and into the early hours of the morning.

Hold onto your underpants....and the selections are

Huntley
14:50 Smad Place 1 point win at 7/1 (PaddyPower)
15:25 Planet of Sound 1 point win at 16/1 (Ladbrokes)
15:25 Russian War 1 point win at 12/1(Bet365)
14:15 Alderwood 2.75 points win @ 9/4(PP)
14:50 African Gold 0.75 point win at 9/1(Lads)
16:15 Ballabriggs 0.5 points @ 20/1(WH)
16:15 Join Together 0.5 points @ 20/1(WH)
17:45 Tistory 2.50 points win @ 5/2(Bet365)

Hucklebuck
1:45 Up and go 15/8 (vc bet) 2pt win
2:50 Solwhit 5/2 (Hills) 5pts win
3:25 Problema Tic 20/1 (Corals) 0.5pts ew
4:15 Imperial Commander 16/1 (vc bet) 1pt ew (1st 6)

Huntley

Thanks Ste,

Just a general observation that someone might shed light on, if VC are the only firm going 6 places than surely that constitutes as a bookies special?

UrbanSea

Would sound like one to me Huntley

Colonel Sanders

Huntley wrote: »

Just a general observation that someone might shed light on, if VC are the only firm going 6 places than surely that constitutes as a bookies special?

Tbh I'd say 5 places constitutes a special. Don't think it applies to you as IIRC you tipped win only in the national

hucklebuck

Just popped in to see Huntleys picks today, noticed tge cue card bull**** too. He was going to be a 10pt bet for me and I reduced it to 4 as Huntley picked him.

Secondly, I have backed Cue Card every race bar the King George due to ground and there was nothing mentioned about two people backing one horse. FYI when you asked about w/o markets I said yes as I had Cue Card in mind.

Thirdly, I could not find the w/o market on sportingbet and figured he would be the same.

Fourth, are sporting bet a "high street bookie"?

Fifth, I seem to have only used 9 points today due to the rush - ignore this it was 10

Sixth, if there is petulance about ew markets I want to change to 2pt win on Imperial Commander at 18/1. I took 16/1 on the basis of the extra place.

Seventh, was ther a discussion around picking two or more per race?

I am on my holidays and my wife has been good enough to let us go to the pub to watch racing so the phone will put away and I am off the air til tomorrow evening.

hucklebuck

As I got no response I will stay 1pt ew on Imperial Commander and take the available at 18/1 with the other firms.

Good luck Huntley.

Huntley

hucklebuck wrote: »

Secondly, I have backed Cue Card every race bar the King George due to ground and there was nothing mentioned about two people backing one horse. FYI when you asked about w/o markets I said yes as I had Cue Card in mind.

Thirdly, I could not find the w/o market on sportingbet and figured he would be the same.

Fourth, are sporting bet a "high street bookie"?

Fifth, I seem to have only used 9 points today due to the rush - ignore this it was 10

Sixth, if there is petulance about ew markets I want to change to 2pt win on Imperial Commander at 18/1. I took 16/1 on the basis of the extra place.

Seventh, was ther a discussion around picking two or more per race?

I'm not interested in hearing any excuses hucklebuck. It is clear what happened, as I said yesterday I'm still awaiting your address when you get a chance.

Well done some nice selections.

bohsman

hucklebuck wrote: »

Just popped in to see Huntleys picks today, noticed tge cue card bull**** too. He was going to be a 10pt bet for me and I reduced it to 4 as Huntley picked him.

That's the problem. You gained an advantage in seeing his picks and making changes before submitting your own selections.

Wouldn't exactly blame you, it should have been written into the rules beforehand that you both send your picks to a 3rd party for them to post.

hucklebuck

Huntley wrote: »

I'm not interested in hearing any excuses hucklebuck. It is clear what happened, as I said yesterday I'm still awaiting your address when you get a chance.

Well done some nice selections.

It's disappointing that you feel that Huntley, there was absolutely no intention on my part to maintain a lead, if there was I would have matched your stake and/or backed your other two.

It's a shame the idea of both of us using a medium was not mooted the day the competition started and I agree this is the way forward. If this was in your thoughts you should have arranged before deciding you wanted to monopolise what was the standout bet of the festival.

As previously stated I was away for the weekend and stated I would be off the air until today, my darling wife changed our plans so we could watch the racing yesterday and I did not see the problems with the Cue Card selection until yesterday afternoon after Solwhits win as I wanted to see what Huntley had gone for.

At the end of the day it was in the rules that we use a "high street bookie" which you didn't for your bet and I said nothing about this. Knowing I was off the air, you then proceeded to throw mud around about me trying to maintain a lead, queried if lower odds at improved place terms was a bookie special and then backed two horses in three separate races which you obviously feel is sporting.

Your opinion was that I was trying to maintain a lead and it was also your opinion that you are the most awesome tipster here, at Cheltenham you scored 0 points, the first day here you scored 0, I wasn't exactly fearing you inspite of what you choose to believe.

As there is such nonsense over me selecting Cue Card, these are the scores without me getting any points for Cue Card or getting the 4 points I gambled back:

Hucklebuck 27.5
Huntley 13

I was never in this for the money btw the way, my intention if I won was to follow Premiers lead and donate to the JT Mc Namara fund.

If you so wish please donate €100 to the JT fund, if you feel cheated don't, it's up to you and nobody will know.

Anyway I am done with this ****e.:rolleyes:

Ste, thanks for posting my Satuday selections. I will throw you the cash for facilitating posting my selections when you did. Or if you are in Dublin give me a shout and I will meet you for a few pints.

Slattsy

Well done Hucklebuck, some great picks and a very sporting gesture with your winnings going toward the JT fund, top man.

Unlucky Huntley, better luck next time.

And well done too to Ste, some great 'middleman' work done

Huntley

hucklebuck wrote: »

I did not see the problems with the Cue Card selection until yesterday afternoon after Solwhits win as I wanted to see what Huntley had gone for.

You must have missed it when you logged in on Friday at roughly 4 o'clock then. Or maybe it was more convenient for you to respond when that particular selection became irrelevant in regards to the competition.

hucklebuck wrote: »

At the end of the day it was in the rules that we use a "high street bookie" which you didn't for your bet and I said nothing about this.

I used totesport. Does having over 500 high street bookmakers not constitute as a high street bookmaker?

hucklebuck wrote: »

Knowing I was off the air, you then proceeded to throw mud around about me trying to maintain a lead, queried if lower odds at improved place terms was a bookie special

I didn't throw mud around, literally or figuratively. I made an observation on your actions, and wasn't alone in thinking there was some credence to it. It is obvious that upon seeing my selections you altered yours. You have admitted to that. That is unsporting, had Cue Card finished third and one of your other selections won then you can see the complication that causes. As can others.

Had you not specifically stated that you would be using Ste to post your selections than I would have used a medium. As you said you were I was under the assumption I could post mine, without the possibility of you seeing them and altering yours as a result.

hucklebuck wrote: »

It's a shame the idea of both of us using a medium was not mooted the day the competition started and I agree this is the way forward. If this was in your thoughts you should have arranged before deciding you wanted to monopolise what was the standout bet of the festival.

Again, I was the one who suggested you use a medium when you stated you couldn't post your selections on the day. The reasoning being that I don't think it would have been fair had I chance to dissect/view your selections and act accordingly. You said you would have to get someone to post for the remaining days, Friday and Saturday, or post your selections that night. Safe in the knowledge that your selections ad been submitted to Ste, as you said would happen, I posted my selections. Again, doing so in the belief yours could not be altered upon seeing mine.

hucklebuck wrote: »

and then backed two horses in three separate races which you obviously feel is sporting.

I don't believe it is sporting but my interest in partaking ended on Friday. Those selections were making a further mockery of the competition that I felt it had become. It most be noted that I never said anything to the contrary however, you specifically stated, '10 points per day to be used as you want'. The issue I had with you can't be viewed in the same light as yours with me.

hucklebuck wrote: »

Your opinion was that I was trying to maintain a lead and it was also your opinion that you are the most awesome tipster here, at Cheltenham you scored 0 points, the first day here you scored 0, I wasn't exactly fearing you inspite of what you choose to believe.

I don't consider myself a tipster. Even when I was running a public thread that almost trebled it's outlay I never considered any of my selections tips.

hucklebuck wrote: »

As there is such nonsense over me selecting Cue Card, these are the scores without me getting any points for Cue Card or getting the 4 points I gambled back:

Hucklebuck 27.5
Huntley 13

Irrelevant, if you want to post the scores had you not seen my selections on Friday up until that point they would be different.

Again, the sum of money doesn't really make it an issue but it does question your intentions and credibility, regardless of what you say now. It is worth noting for others who may want to partake in a similar situation in the future. As I said yesterday, well done there were still some nice selections.

hucklebuck wrote: »

If you so wish please donate €100 to the JT fund, if you feel cheated don't, it's up to you and nobody will know.

With premierstone there was a sum of money donated to the turf club and IJF. I know people involved in the turf club who can vouch for the payment and gave premierstone the details to do so if he wished. I can do the same for you if you want.

Likewise, I can simply send you the money and you can do as you please donation wise.

hucklebuck

Huntley wrote: »

You must have missed it when you logged in on Friday at roughly 4 o'clock then. Or maybe it was more convenient for you to respond when that particular selection became irrelevant in regards to the competition.

If by around 4pm you mean 6pm then I did log in then but that was to send Ste my selections for Saturday. Ste can vouch for this, for some reason my sent PMs in boards don't save.

Huntley wrote: »

I used totesport. Does having over 500 high street bookmakers not constitute as a high street bookmaker?

I don't recall seeing them but anyway.

Huntley wrote: »

I didn't throw mud around, literally or figuratively. I made an observation on your actions, and wasn't alone in thinking there was some credence to it. It is obvious that upon seeing my selections you altered yours. You have admitted to that. That is unsporting, had Cue Card finished third and one of your other selections won then you can see the complication that causes. As can others.

Maybe it was misguided reducing my bet but I was working off the basis that it was highly unlikely that Cue Card would not be second and as stated it was the obvious bet of the meeting. By Cue Card winning the bet you closed the gap, if I left it at 10pts you would have been further behind. By staking 8pts yourself you were obviously as confident as I was that he would win.

Huntley wrote: »

Had you not specifically stated that you would be using Ste to post your selections than I would have used a medium. As you said you were I was under the assumption I could post mine, without the possibility of you seeing them and altering yours as a result.

You did mention me using a medium but you did not mention both of us using one, this would give you the upper hand. I was not expecting to be able to post my own selections for Friday but we left the house two hours later than we planned so I had 5 minutes, even if I sent my Friday selections to Ste and it was 10pts Cue Card you probably would have asked Ste when I posted my selections and had a gripe with that anyway.

Huntley wrote: »

Again, I was the one who suggested you use a medium when you stated you couldn't post your selections on the day. The reasoning being that I don't think it would have been fair had I chance to dissect/view your selections and act accordingly. You said you would have to get someone to post for the remaining days, Friday and Saturday, or post your selections that night. Safe in the knowledge that your selections ad been submitted to Ste, as you said would happen, I posted my selections. Again, doing so in the belief yours could not be altered upon seeing mine.

If you had have posted saying you sent your selections to Ste I would have done the same but you didn't, I did not think there would be such an issue over it.

Huntley wrote: »

I don't believe it is sporting but my interest in partaking ended on Friday. Those selections were making a further mockery of the competition that I felt it had become. It most be noted that I never said anything to the contrary however, you specifically stated, '10 points per day to be used as you want'. The issue I had with you can't be viewed in the same light as yours with me.

Your interest ended on Friday? Thats odd as you sent selections to Ste in the early hours of the morning as I sent mine some time between 6 and 6:20 on Friday evening. Ste can verify this.

Huntley wrote: »

I don't consider myself a tipster. Even when I was running a public thread that almost trebled it's outlay I never considered any of my selections tips.

Is this the thread you keep talking about when rubbishing other peoples ability to pick winners? Some stand out bets in your log like Cue Card.

Huntley wrote: »

Irrelevant, if you want to post the scores had you not seen my selections on Friday up until that point they would be different.

Not really I did say "selection a race" not "selections a race"

hucklebuck wrote: »

Not sure of a format yet, maybe a two point win / one point ew selection a race?

If I had you would have been further behind as Cue Card, as expected, won.
Also if I was sent a PM about the Cue Card incident we could have had a work around, ie void my Cue Card bet and use the 4 pts on something else but that did not happen as stated I was only aware of the situation yesterday after Solwhit won.

Huntley wrote: »

Again, the sum of money doesn't really make it an issue but it does question your intentions and credibility, regardless of what you say now.

This is the mud slinging I was talking about.

Huntley wrote: »

It is worth noting for others who may want to partake in a similar situation in the future.

I agree using a medium in the future competitions, I honestly wasn't expecting this to be an issue. As previously stated I highly rate Cue Card and even in the Arkle last year I said I expected him to chase SS home http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77500216&postcount=48

I had Cue Card backed for this years Gold Cup too and I am thinking of doing the same next year as I stated here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83772089&postcount=533

Huntley wrote: »

As I said yesterday, well done there were still some nice selections.

Thank you, I was looking forward to taking you on and it's a shame how this has ended with a question mark over my credibility but I can assure you there was no intent on my part. I am an avid Cue Card fan and back him when I can.

Huntley wrote: »

With premierstone there was a sum of money donated to the turf club and IJF. I know people involved in the turf club who can vouch for the payment and gave premierstone the details to do so if he wished. I can do the same for you if you want.

Likewise, I can simply send you the money and you can do as you please donation wise.

As I said, you work away. I honestly don't mind what you do with it and I won't be checking with anyone, I take people on their merits.

At the end of the day you are entitled to your opinion about me, as is everyone else but rest assured I am as straight as an arrow, you should know as we have debated plenty of times. To be honest I did not know Aintree clashed with my weekend away but it did and as I had agreed to have a tipping challenge with you I did.

Anyway that is my final spake on the whole thread, I hope people following won a few bob and my own result was 41.5pts returned from 30pts staked, so obviously happy enough with that.