NCT check to uncover clocked cars

kasper

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nct-check-will-uncover-clocked-cars-in-new-plan-29166099.html

good news on the car clocking front

challengemaster

And it would become a crime to have your car clocked.

That's well and good, until the poor sod that's just bought a car has it NCT'd and finds out it was clocked when he bought it.

Also are they going to have gardaí sitting in the NCT centres every day of the year to enforce this? Doubt it.

JP 1800

It is all well and good if the NCT tester puts the correct mileage into the database, on my last nct the tester put the km reading in as miles.

Philip82

challengemaster wrote: »

That's well and good, until the poor sod that's just bought a car has it NCT'd and finds out it was clocked when he bought it.

Also are they going to have gardaí sitting in the NCT centres every day of the year to enforce this? Doubt it.

If they do then half the country will be behind bars!!!:D:D

Cant work, Wont work.

Atlantic Dawn

Best solution would be to have all NCT mileage readings from time of test available free to the public, just type in the reg number and it gives you the readings, can't see there being any data protection issues with that.

CiniO

JP 1800 wrote: »

It is all well and good if the NCT tester puts the correct mileage into the database, on my last nct the tester put the km reading in as miles.

Where did he put it like that?

I just looked through all NCT certs I had, and everywhere it just says: "odometer reading".
It doesn't mention the unit.

coylemj

kasper wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nct-check-will-uncover-clocked-cars-in-new-plan-29166099.html

good news on the car clocking front

But bad news for the 5,824 car owners who have already bought secondhand cars with lower mileage than what was on the clock when it did it's previous NCT.

No doubt motorcheck and cartell will exploit this big time.

Next question: will the NCT people inform the punters who do the NCT test that they have a car which has less mileage now than the last time the car was in for an NCT test?

CiniO

kasper wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nct-check-will-uncover-clocked-cars-in-new-plan-29166099.html

good news on the car clocking front

All good but what's stopping Paddy to buy a new car, do 100k miles in first 4 years, and then clock it down to 40k just before NCT.
Then in next 2 years do another 60k (odometer up to 100k) and again clock it down to 55k before next NCT.

That way he's got a 6 year old car with only 55k miles on it, all registered by NCT and looking legitimate, while in fact car has travelled 160k miles.

Guy:Incognito

So your clocks fail and you get a set from a scrap yard. You cant reset them to the mileage that was on your car because that would be illegal. But surely clocking can work both ways so the car now showing more or less than it was because the clocks from the scrap yard had more or less on them means you've clocked it anyway and your a criminal. If your speedo fails and you dont ilmmediately stop and get it fixed youve clocked your car and your a criminal.

biko

I'm all for it. If mileage is regged at NCT from the first test onwards clocking will stop as scummy sellers/dealers won't risk it any more. Clocking will be gone in 10 years *dreaming*

Toyotafanboi

CiniO wrote: »

All good but what's stopping Paddy to buy a new car, do 100k miles in first 4 years, and then clock it down to 40k just before NCT.
Then in next 2 years do another 60k (odometer up to 100k) and again clock it down to 55k before next NCT.

That way he's got a 6 year old car with only 55k miles on it, all registered by NCT and looking legitimate, while in fact car has travelled 160k miles.

fair play to paddy.

he went to great efforts to half the mileage on his 6 year old car, making it marginally more expensive/ desirable at sale time.

CiniO

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

fair play to paddy.

he went to great efforts to half the mileage on his 6 year old car, making it marginally more expensive/ desirable at sale time.

Clocking car twice doesn't look like great efforts.
There are people out there who will clock your car for small charge.

And 6 year old car with 55k miles on the clock is absolutely way more expensive / desirable that the one with 160k miles on it.

biko

Yes, there will always be people that will go that extra mile to break the law but I think regging the NCT mileage in a database is a good thing.

CiniO

I can see way much better way.
Why don't Garda read the mileage at roadcheck and put it down to the central register.
If they increased amount of roadchecks so that each driver would be pulled over once or twice per year on average, this would work perfectly. Also quick breathtest during every road check would be handy.

Odelay

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

fair play to paddy.

he went to great efforts to half the mileage on his 6 year old car, making it marginally more expensive/ desirable at sale time.

Ha! think we all have heard the one about an Audi that someone pulled out the clock to "clock it", there was a note behind the clock written on it......................
























"Oh, no! not again:-("

challengemaster

CiniO wrote: »

If they increased amount of roadchecks so that each driver would be pulled over once or twice per year on average

There's 2 problems I see with this:

1) Every driver in the country is never going to be pulled over at some stage, realistically. "on average" doesn't really ensure every driver does actually get pulled over. What it actually means is people in Dublin get pulled over 30+ times a year, people in Donegal, Connemara and rural areas don't get pulled over at all, and the rest is somewhere in between.


2) It involves the gardaí doing more work.

akura

JP 1800 wrote: »

It is all well and good if the NCT tester puts the correct mileage into the database, on my last nct the tester put the km reading in as miles.

The same thing happened to me the actual mileage was 134769 but the tester missed 3 and hit 7 to make it 174769, only copped on recently when looking at the cert

CiniO

challengemaster wrote: »

There's 2 problems I see with this:

1) Every driver in the country is never going to be pulled over at some stage, realistically. "on average" doesn't really ensure every driver does actually get pulled over. What it actually means is people in Dublin get pulled over 30+ times a year, people in Donegal, Connemara and rural areas don't get pulled over at all, and the rest is somewhere in between.

That's probably how works now (with lower number of checkpoints though, as I doubt average person in Dublin gets pulled over 30+ times a year.
I can confirm that on the West, there are no roadchecks at all - I've never been pulled over.

But I'm sure they could spread it.

2) It involves the gardaí doing more work.

That's what they are there for? Aren't they?

mikehammer67

ya checkpoints have disappeared in mayo-never see one now

drivers not paying road tax
drink driving rife

car clocking is low on the priority list atm

JerCotter7

Guessing it's an Aprils fools joke?

Even if it's not I doubt this will happen.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Guessing it's an Aprils fools joke?

Even if it's not I doubt this will happen.

dont know if it will or not... I asked myaelf what happens if a car comes trough with less milage than before and only got a car can only be tested as it stands.

I dont think this is the solution. I think all dats from cars bar the owners details should be publicly available rather than paying cartell money.

but at the same time you can walk into a garda station and ask them to run the reg to see what comes up hut they wont give details. my volvo has nothing since 2004 but I'll never find out what iy was

studdlymurphy

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Best solution would be to have all NCT mileage readings from time of test available free to the public, just type in the reg number and it gives you the readings, can't see there being any data protection issues with that.

Nothing free in Ireland, They will charge something for that no doubt.

Atomic Pineapple

Article

Good news if enforced properly.

Atomic Pineapple

LIGHTNING wrote: »

But you wont be able to check a cars mileage without paying some 3rd party company. Why cant the NCT database provide some info for the public to help when checking out a car? Nothing personal of course but mileage would be useful.

Indeed, it should be included in the price of an NCT.

ManMade

Is it possible to tell if a car has been clocked if the dash and ecu have both been changed?

kirving

Funny that the picture ont he article is a Focus dash. The vehicle speed sensor in two Focus' in my family went, meaning that the odometer stopeed counting up for periods of time. Only a couple of dozen miles before they were fixed, but it's a simple way of not increasing you car's mileage if you plan to sell!

MugMugs

I don't see why amending mileage should be kicked. I would advocate a mileage data base though.

ElKavo

About time. I find it difficult to believe that it was not illegal in the first place. I guess that is where going to a reputable dealer is best practice. A person I know who sells cars regularly clocks cars and makes up service logs as well as pays to get it through the nct. I wouldn't buy a car off a back street garage because of this. Obviously all garages are not the same before someone jumps down my throat.

dgt

Yes, a mileage database would be a much better alternative.

Clocking is a dirty word, I prefer mileage correction. Still should be allowed to alter the mileage but let the database know

ironclaw

Not trolling or accusing but is there any legitimate reason to clock / correct a cars mileage?

ironclaw

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Yes, for instance I was going to buy an uprated dash for my Punto (with a rev counter) and if I bought a new dash it would have to have the mileage put up to what my car was on.

Well that is a legitimate reason in its own right and if done correctly is currently above board in my eyes. I mean a car just sitting on the forecourt, no modification or repair. Is the only reason resale value?

Viper_JB

It's a good idea, but I'd have no faith in the NCT to administer this...I guess we'll see on here if there's a bunch of threads pop up along the lines of "help the NCT messed up and now I have to scrap my car".

R.O.R

Just hope we get our Avensis back from the North before this comes to pass.

If it's illegal to clock the car then it's going to be well under mileage, when the original clocks go back in. Plan was to get them corrected to the KM equivalent of whatever mileage reading is on it when it comes back to us. We had the new MPH clocks corrected (organised by out Toyota supplier) to the Miles equivalent to the KM reading when it went to NI.

ba_barabus

R.O.R wrote: »

Just hope we get our Avensis back from the North before this comes to pass.

If it's illegal to clock the car then it's going to be well under mileage, when the original clocks go back in. Plan was to get them corrected to the KM equivalent of whatever mileage reading is on it when it comes back to us. We had the new MPH clocks corrected (organised by out Toyota supplier) to the Miles equivalent to the KM reading when it went to NI.

Are clocks regularly replaced with KM clocks when importing?

antodeco

JP 1800 wrote: »

It is all well and good if the NCT tester puts the correct mileage into the database, on my last nct the tester put the km reading in as miles.

Or on mine the car read 3488.6 miles and he put in 34886 miles. Increased it be 31000 miles!

R.O.R

ba_barabus wrote: »

Are clocks regularly replaced with KM clocks when importing?

I wouldn't say so, as most are dual.

These will be going back to the original KM/H clocks as we have them here, and it's an original Irish car.