Paramedics getting attacked in Dublin

Medme

What kind of scumbags assault an ambulance crew?

http://www.thejournal.ie/on-duty-ambulance-crew-members-assaulted-on-dublin-street-852082-Mar2013/

Why don't we have mandatory sentencing and a set time without parole as standard for this kind of lowlife carryon. Surely if paramedics/firemen/gardai are running around saving lives they need some bigger deterent to stop idiots stopping them doing their job. There is no justice in our justice system as I see it if this can happen and they offender gets away with a slap on the wrist.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

"Clear"...zaps defib off scumbags temple.

L.Jenkins

Only a bunch of scumbags is right.

Odysseus

Can we wait until the case is dealt with by the courts before we starting saying trheir is no justice and that offenders just get a slap on the wrist.

However, I know from personal experience that the HSE itself needs to start looking after abused staff better that it currently does.

seven_eleven

Happens every single day of the week, you just dont hear about it often.

woodoo

5 Years in jail for attacking ambulance crew should be the min.

Grayson

Medme wrote: »

What kind of scumbags assault an ambulance crew?

http://www.thejournal.ie/on-duty-ambulance-crew-members-assaulted-on-dublin-street-852082-Mar2013/

Why don't we have mandatory sentencing and a set time without parole as standard for this kind of lowlife carryon. Surely if paramedics/firemen/gardai are running around saving lives they need some bigger deterent to stop idiots stopping them doing their job. There is no justice in our justice system as I see it if this can happen and they offender gets away with a slap on the wrist.

Cos mandatory sentencing can't cover every situation and it's unfair.

I would be in favour of classing it as a separate crime with higher limits on time served and guidelines that work.

mikemac1

The paramedics from the Dublin Fire Brigade

Excuse my ignorance but I thought the HSE look after ambulance cover.

Or is it different in Dublin?

Latchy

I wonder do the people who carry out such attacks not realize that one day it could be their mother ,father ,or some other family member who needs a paramedic in emergency but because they have been attacked , may not show up or get them to the hospital on time .

SEPT 23 1989

Ah but sure they come from disadvantaged areas with no swings and slides to keep them away from the bulmers and heroin

amacca

woodoo wrote: »

5 Years in jail for attacking ambulance crew should be the min.

In the absence of any aggravating factors that would be a bare minimum in my opinion

then theres the problem of having to pay for their stay etc

I'd nearly be in favour of on the spot execution...or a severe physical beating and no provision of any ambulance/first aid....let them crawl to the AE if they can

Grayson

mikemac1 wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but I thought the HSE look after ambulance cover.

Or is it different in Dublin?

Both do it in Dublin. Although with the fire brigade ones the spend half their time in control AFAIK.

shanered

mikemac1 wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but I thought the HSE look after ambulance cover.

Or is it different in Dublin?

The fire brigade still operate ambulances in Dublin along with HSE im pretty sure

the_syco

The paramedics from the Dublin Fire Brigade received minor injuries and were treated at the Mater hospital. One victim received lacerations near his eye

FFS. I'll administer the 150 lashes to the scrote who did this myself.

F**k "punishment does not rehabilitate"; the scum will understand consequences if he chooses to ignore law.

Odysseus

mikemac1 wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but I thought the HSE look after ambulance cover.

Or is it different in Dublin?

Actually that's right IIRC most crews in Dublin come from the Fire Service, some are private and some are HSE I think.

seven_eleven

mikemac1 wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but I thought the HSE look after ambulance cover.

Or is it different in Dublin?

Dublin Fire Brigade provide the majority of ambulances in Dublin city. The HSE also have a few ambulances there too but only a small hanfull iirc.

Medme

Sure, point taken on the 'justice thing mod.

I'm more interested in why there hasn't been some kind of mandatory sentencing or other deterrent introduced to stop this kind of thing happening. They're (paramedics) not armed obviously so why not make it a heavily penalized crime to interfere with them on duty, given that they are saving lives. Five years- absolutely gets my vote!

mikemac1

Thanks all

the_syco

woodoo wrote: »

5 Years in jail for attacking ambulance crew should be the min.

Fcuk jail. Reopen up a deolte monastery on one of the islands surrounding Ireland, and have them wash the walls outside the monastery with seawater, every day, for 5 years.

tayto lover

the_syco wrote: »

Fcuk jail. Reopen up a deolte monastery on one of the islands surrounding Ireland, and have them wash the walls outside the monastery with seawater, every day, for 5 years.

Yes and we could drop them there from a helicopter from about 500 feet.
I am a great man for the free flying lessons.:D

woodoo

amacca wrote: »

or a severe physical beating

That should be provided free of charge by the arresting officers.

FGR

Let me put it this way..

Judges should be encouraged to take one's role as a care giver into account. Nurses, Doctors, Paramedics, Firefighters are assaulted regularly. Those who assault Gardaí are treated with great leniency by the courts so I don't think this will happen any time soon for any other party.

amacca

woodoo wrote: »

That should be provided free of charge by the arresting officers.

I thanked your post...but I really think there should be a charge...not to the taxpayer but maybe in the form of a deduction from the thugs social welfare contributed to a fund for medics etc injured in the line of work

a lady I once worked with, who was from south africa , drove for the ambulance service, she told me how one night, she and her male colleague, had to pick up guy accused of breaking and entering and raping the female at premises, he jumped out window, broke leg and was caught,anyway, she told me he got very abusive in ambulance on way to hospital, spitting cursing hitting out, pissing her off royally. She looked back through the opening and nodded to her partner.

Apparently when they nodded at one another is was signal to go!!

She said she yelled hang on and drove like a nut around and around while her partner kept 'accidently smacking the oxygen cannister off the patients nose. By the end of the ride, the dude was crying like a bitch, face all busted over.


IN South Africa, paramedic attack you!!

Dtp79

Latchy wrote: »

I wonder do the people who carry out such attacks not realize that one day it could be their mother ,father ,or some other family member who needs a paramedic in emergency but because they have been attacked , may not show up or get them to the hospital on time .

They don't realise this cause they're uneducated lowlifes that spend all day drinking cider and they're idea of a productive day is spending 8 hours playing x box

Odysseus

FGR wrote: »

Let me put it this way..

Judges should be encouraged to take one's role as a care giver into account. Nurses, Doctors, Paramedics, Firefighters are assaulted regularly. Those who assault Gardaí are treated with great leniency by the courts so I don't think this will happen any time soon for any other party.

Yeah I fully agree, however, I get more annoyed at the likes of the HSE not looking after their own staff.


I don't agree with fixed sentences, however, I think all healthcare staff should be protected not just emergency crews.

Until it was closed down due to staff leaving and not being replaced; I used to be part of a Critical Incident Team within the HSE, basically it responded to those who are attacked whilst caring out their duties

All healthcare staff should be to carry out their duties without the fear of attack, or being ttold that they should expect to experience a certain amount of aggression with their job.

Whilst I have experienced enough "incidents" myself within work, I can't stand over the usual response of knock the bollocks out them. That is not getting us anywhere.

seven_eleven

Jake1 wrote: »

a lady I once worked with, who was from south africa , drove for the ambulance service, she told me how one night, she and her male colleague, had to pick up guy accused of breaking and entering and raping the female at premises, he jumped out window, broke leg and was caught,anyway, she told me he got very abusive in ambulance on way to hospital, spitting cursing hitting out, pissing her off royally.

Things like this happen in Ireland too. Paramedics get this shíte beat out of them trying to restrain a patient, no gardai for miles to come assist so they just gotta deal with it until they get to the hospital. Then its the nurses turn.

Of course its the usuall frequent fliers and scumbags who have done it 20 times before.

Lucena

This is slightly against the grain of what's being said here, but I heard of similar things happening in a specific dodgy area in France (fire brigade being attacked). So the fire bridage decided to explain their work through the local schools, had the students/scumbags into the station, showed them stuff about the lives they saved etc..

Apparently it improved relations and they weren't getting attacked. I'd imagine that this sort of PR exercise would need to be done continuously for it to be effective.

Greentopia

Latchy wrote: »

I wonder do the people who carry out such attacks not realize that one day it could be their mother ,father ,or some other family member who needs a paramedic in emergency but because they have been attacked , may not show up or get them to the hospital on time .

Quite. For that reason I truly cannot understand why anyone would attack them. It's senseless.

If their only motivation is to inflict mindless violence why pick on paramedics and others in healthcare and emergency services?

I've only ever heard of this kind of thing happening in this country and the U.K. though.

tayto lover

Lucena wrote: »

This is slightly against the grain of what's being said here, but I heard of similar things happening in a specific dodgy area in France (fire brigade being attacked). So the fire bridage decided to explain their work through the local schools, had the students/scumbags into the station, showed them stuff about the lives they saved etc..

Apparently it improved relations and they weren't getting attacked. I'd imagine that this sort of PR exercise would need to be done continuously for it to be effective.

It is being done here already in Primary Schools. Get in there early.

monkeypants

I don't remember ever being told in school not to attack ambulances or the fire brigade. It just never came up. Never the less, I still haven't done it.

not yet

And all this while their wages are been cut, whilst there is a good chance the knunt who done it is on the scratch. Oh what a wonderful country.

FGR

There will always be an element that find it hilarious to cause harm to others. It's just a shame that this country affords them more rights than the victim.

amacca

Odysseus wrote: »

I can't stand over the usual response of knock the bollocks out them. That is not getting us anywhere.

would that be because nobody is actually "knocking the bollocks" out of these thugs (at least in response to doing something like this) though?

Odysseus

amacca wrote: »

would that be because nobody is actually "knocking the bollocks" out of these thugs (at least in response to doing something like this) though?

I can't make out exactly what you are asking?

I'm saying clearly that I would like to see all healthcare staff protected against violence in the course of their work, also that organisations like the HSE should look after their staff better when they experience such abuse.

However, I can't agree with the usual posts that we have in this thread suggesting that such violence should be met with violence. It serves not purpose and will not aid those who experience such attacks. Proper care for those who are assualted and a legal response against those who carry out such acts, that's what we need.

DrumSteve

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Ah but sure they come from disadvantaged areas with no swings and slides to keep them away from the bulmers and heroin

Was there anything in the article to state that the person who perpetrated this was from a disadvantaged area?

amacca

Odysseus wrote: »

I can't make out exactly what you are asking?

You said you couldn't stand over the usual response of knock the bollocks out of them, then you said that is not getting us anywhere

what I'm asking is do you think it would get us somewhere if the bollocks was actually knocked out of them in a direct response to assaulting the paramedics (It actually wasn't done)...I'm saying you cant say its getting us nowhere until its actually done, I for one would like to see it happen to the guy who carried out the assault..........and speaking as someone who was unprovokedly attacked a long time ago it would have made me feel a lot better if the sh1t was knocked out of the guy that did it to me......it was a dirty low down thing to do and for years afterwards I thought about a second round only this time without me being taken by surprise

I'll nail my colours to the mast here and say it is my opinion that it would work, corporal punishment would be a fitting response to a crime like this imo, its probably the only thing that would keep thicko scumbag like this in line..

if you meant that you cant stand over people saying it with no intention of doing it or supporting it in public...just anonymous hot air then I agree

Odysseus wrote: »

However, I can't agree with the usual posts that we have in this thread suggesting that such violence should be met with violence. It serves not purpose and will not aid those who experience such attacks. Proper care for those who are assualted and a legal response against those who carry out such acts, that's what we need.

How can you be sure it wont serve a purpose?

Legal responses as they stand can be varied in their effectiveness.....and they certainly don't serve as much of a deterrent to anti-social behaviour from scumbags with nothing to lose as far as I'm concerned

Violence should be met with violence or at the very least mandatory labour - something that will actually be unpleasant for offenders like these - something that will serve as a deterrent....I would be in favour of the least costly most immediate and unpleasant consequences for an act such as this

It goes without saying proper care for those who are assaulted should be a given......just because i advocate meeting violence with violence does not mean I somehow think that victims of violence should not get proper care! just that there would be a hell of a lot less victims in the first place if there was a proper deterrent - deterrent not rehabilitation is what law and order should be about imo.

What I'm really advocating here is that this kind of thing should never/rarely happen because the punishment actually is a deterrent, I think that would benefit all future possible victims of such attacks because they would be much less likely to happen in the first place.....thuggish scum would know their place

Overheal

what the hell gave the morons the inclination to attack paramedics anyway?!

amacca

Overheal wrote: »

what the hell gave the morons the inclination to attack paramedics anyway?!

god only knows.......thought they were gardai?

off their heads?

indoctrinated through years of disrespecting authority and getting away with it?

Laneyh

It's certainly hard to understand I suppose details will emerge at the trial.
Possibly they / he attacked the paramedics because they were helping someone they / he had an altercation with.

It possibly is a general attitude towards perceived authority figures too

Really it seems to be someone that is operating at a very base level in life where they do whatever the hell the like