Deaths in intensive care hospital wards

handlemaster

A doctor head of a brazilian hospital intensive care ward has been arrested on suspision of killing patients. Could that be also happening in some form here also? what controls are in place to stop this happening in ireland

coylemj

This thread should be in the Conspiracy Theories forum.

handlemaster

coylemj wrote: »

This thread should be in the Conspiracy Theories forum.

ah no. its happened somewhere why couldnt it happen here ? what guidelines are in place to stop it

elfy4eva

In my opinion I believe it happens every day. Recently lost my
nana to cancer. She was put into intensive care after an unsuccessful
operation and she didn't have long left, Don't ask me why but
I'm certain that Doctors upped the dose of painkillers to lethal
levels as there was no chance of recovery.

I don't know what the Brazilian doctor is accused of but if it
was a situation like above, I would be of the opinion that
it's commonplace.

The Big Red Button

elfy4eva wrote: »

In my opinion I believe it happens every day. Recently lost my
nana to cancer. She was put into intensive care after an unsuccessful
operation and she didn't have long left, Don't ask me why but
I'm certain that Doctors upped the dose of painkillers to lethal
levels as there was no chance of recovery.

I'm not sure that's a bad thing, personally I'm happy she was able to pass
peacefully in what otherwise would have been a painful end.

Whether this is ethical or not, or whether you would consider this as
killing someone. I don't know

The bolded part.

I'm asking you why?

That's a pretty serious accusation you're making there.

elfy4eva

chatterpillar wrote: »

The bolded part.

I'm asking you why?

That's a pretty serious accusation you're making there.

First of all let me re-iterate that this is just my opinions and my feelings. I'm not a Doctor and I'm not going to be able to prove anything medically I can just refer what I saw.

She was conscious went in for her operation. Operation didn't go well
she died within hours. In the IC ward she was doped out
of it, carers coming in constantly topping up with painkillers. I feel her
death would have dragged on for a lot longer otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complacent and I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist

I feel it's just something that they do but don't talk about. I feel they make a call of what's the best thing to do.

The Big Red Button

elfy4eva wrote: »

I feel it's just something that they do but don't talk about. I feel they make a call of what's the best thing to do.

Right.

So, say the nurse on duty receives a patient who has had an accident, and will as a result be permanently blinded and have a leg amputated.

The nurse on duty thinks, well if I were in his position, I'd rather just die. So she just decides to up his medication so that he dies.

You're not just talking about euthanasia here - depending on the judgement calls of the staff in question, you're suggesting potential murder.

Personally I believe that (thankfully) what you're suggesting does not happen in Irish hospitals. And frankly it's an insult to the staff that you'd suggest that it does. That they'd intentionally take actions to end the life of someone in their care.

Peppa Pig

This case is mad, this doctor and all his staff are accused of administering a muscle relaxant and then lowering their oxygen supply so they could not breathe. Some of the patients were fully conscious a few minutes before they died. He allegedly did it to "free up beds"
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I cannot believe it would happen here. Wasn't there a case in a Leeds hospital today with all cardiac surgery cancelled due to a higher than usual death rate. Most likely down to incompetence rather than murder.

elfy4eva

chatterpillar wrote: »

Right.

So, say the nurse on duty receives a patient who has had an accident, and will as a result be permanently blinded and have a leg amputated.

The nurse on duty thinks, well if I were in his position, I'd rather just die. So she just decides to up his medication so that he dies.

You're not just talking about euthanasia here - depending on the judgement calls of the staff in question, you're suggesting potential murder.

Personally I believe that (thankfully) what you're suggesting does not happen in Irish hospitals. And frankly it's an insult to the staff that you'd suggest that it does. That they'd intentionally take actions to end the life of someone in their care.

That's a completely different situation to the one I presented. let me explain in further detail after the operation my nan was missing a large part of her bowel there was zero chance of recovery, I put forward that when the person is going to pass away, painkillers are administered in a much more liberal way.

I'm not trying to make an argument here, I'm certainly not trying to insult anybody and apologise if my feelings have hit a nerve with you.

Peppa Pig

elfy4eva wrote: »

I put forward that when the person is going to pass away, painkillers are administered in a much more liberal way.

I'd really doubt it, when all hope is exhausted the focus moves to making the last few hours / days as comfortable as possible for the patient. The bigger hospitals would call in the palliative care team.
You're describing euthanasia. Recently losing someone messes with your head, in time, the cold light of day will probably change your mind and you will see that it is extremely unlikely if not impossible in an Irish hospital.
Mistakes can be made but not conscious decisions to end someones life.

elfy4eva

Peppa Pig wrote: »

when all hope is exhausted the focus moves to making the last few hours / days as comfortable as possible for the patient.

Well this is where my feelings come from, I'm not saying that I feel there is a conspiracy of doctors trying to free up beds or anything of the like.

Merely that I feel that it's possible that Higher than normal doses of painkillers are given to patients in order to make their last hours painless, and that it is possible that as a result of a high dose that they come to a quicker more peaceful end.

I respect I may be wrong here and am trying to be tactful in what I say as I have no proof to back my feelings up. And I'm not firm in my feelings by any means I'm interested to hear all the facts and am happy to review my feelings if a convincing point is made.