Petrol 1.6 -1.8 suggestions

peejy

I'd like a bit of zip

Open to Saloon or Hatch

Ideally in the lower tax bracket

French/Italian cars out

Any suggestions?

JohnBoy26

peejy wrote: »

I'd like a bit of zip

Open to Saloon or Hatch

Ideally in the lower tax bracket

French/Italian cars out

Any suggestions?

Whats the budget?

peejy

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Whats the budget?

My bad

13k

colm_mcm

What sort of mileage will you be doing, what sort of driving?

Any kids? Need a big boot or anything?

peejy

Low mileage, less than 10k yearly

No kids, 29, no need for huge boot

Short journeys but good roads Colm

JohnBoy26

peejy wrote: »

Low mileage, less than 10k yearly

No kids, 29, no need for huge boot

Short journeys but good roads Colm

Honda Civic 1.8 i-vtec Saloon? Economical for a petrol car, extreamly reliable and good enough performance.

CiniO

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Honda Civic 1.8 i-vtec Saloon? Economical for a petrol car, extreamly reliable and good enough performance.

Why saloon, and not hatchback?

JohnBoy26

CiniO wrote: »

Why saloon, and not hatchback?

The op said they wouldn't mind a Saloon or a Hatchback, so I recommended the Saloon as it's a better built car than the Hatchback.

CiniO

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The op said they wouldn't mind a Saloon or a Hatchback, so I recommended the Saloon as it's a better built car than the Hatchback.

Is it because hatchback's are built in UK, while saloons in Japan (or is it Turkey)???

Any source for it?
I'm genuinely interested as I recently bought hatchback.

peejy

Also, costs aside.

If I got a diesel, because of the short durations of my journeys would I eventually damage the car?

colm_mcm

CiniO wrote: »

Is it because hatchback's are built in UK, while saloons in Japan (or is it Turkey)???

Any source for it?
I'm genuinely interested as I recently bought hatchback.

The saloons have independent rear suspension and possibly hydraulic steering. I wouldn't say there's any great difference in quality.

JohnBoy26

CiniO wrote: »

Is it because hatchback's are built in UK, while saloons in Japan (or is it Turkey)???

Any source for it?
I'm genuinely interested as I recently bought hatchback.

No the Saloons are made in Japan but that's not the reason for my argument. As Colm already said, the saloon has independent rear suspension and is built on it's own Civic platform. The hatchback on the otherhand has only semi independent suspension and is based on the Jazz platform which is really only a supermini platform.

Now don't get me wrong the hatchback is still a good car, but given the choice and I had no requirements for an easy accessible boot etc, id choose the Saloon all day long.

colm_mcm

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The hatchback on the otherhand has only semi independent suspension and is based on the Jazz platform which is really only a supermini platform.

Can you expand on this one please. There's a lot of confusion out there as to what a platform is.
How much of the civic is actually shared with the jazz?

bazz26

This 2010 Civic saloon should be bought within budget, they are quit spacous inside and well equipped:


http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Honda/Civic/1.8i-SES/34113617978843140/

colm_mcm

Seats in that saloon are rotten. The ES hatch ones are much nicer. Nice car overall though.

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

Seats in that saloon are rotten. The ES hatch ones are much nicer. Nice car overall though.

What put me away from saloon was small boot with seats not folding.
So it's completely impractical.

colm_mcm

CiniO wrote: »

What put me away from saloon was small boot with seats not folding.
So it's completely impractical.

Was it a hybrid you were looking at? Kinda assumed they'd have folding seats

The boot in the regular saloon seemed big, just the opening isn't huge.

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

Was it a hybrid you were looking at? Kinda assumed they'd have folding seats

The boot in the regular saloon seemed big, just the opening isn't huge.

You're right here.
I didn't check properly.
It's only hybrid saloon that has no folding rear seats.
I was looking in UK though, and there aren't any other saloons available except from hybrid.

bazz26

The Mazda 6 should be a contender too, though the 1.8 would not be as powerful or fuel efficent as the Civic's.

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

Can you expand on this one please. There's a lot of confusion out there as to what a platform is.
How much of the civic is actually shared with the jazz?

It's mainly the rear beam suspension i am on about tbh.

CiniO

I actually wonder why OP is limiting himself to 1.6 - 1.8, while he intends to spend 13k on a car.
For that much he will most likely get post 08 where engine size doesn't really matter.

peejy

CiniO wrote: »

I actually wonder why OP is limiting himself to 1.6 - 1.8, while he intends to spend 13k on a car.
For that much he will most likely get post 08 where engine size doesn't really matter.

Tax, petrol costs mostly

CiniO

peejy wrote: »

Tax, petrol costs mostly

On 2008 cars and newer, tax go in line with CO2 emissions.
Fuel economy pretty much follow it (the lower CO2 emissions, the better fuel economy).

You should be looking for a car with the lowest CO2 emissions if tax and petrol cost is important. Engine size doesn't necessarily follow that.

colm_mcm

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

It's mainly the rear beam suspension i am on about tbh.

It has a similar rear suspension setup to the jazz and also features the magic seats in the back because of the repositioned fuel tank, but its not built on a jazz platform.

My understanding of a platform sharing is common basic chassis architecture, mechanical and electrical systems etc. sharing a suspension type means nothing.

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

It has a similar rear suspension setup to the jazz and also features the magic seats in the back because of the repositioned fuel tank, but its not built on a jazz platform.

I never said it was tbh, I just said the suspension was based on the Jazz's suspension, apologies if I didn't make that clear in my original post.

colm_mcm wrote: »

My understanding of a platform sharing is common basic chassis architecture, mechanical and electrical systems etc. sharing a suspension type means nothing.

Suspension is a mechanical component of a car is it not? Usually cars that share the same platform share the same suspension so IMO sharing of suspension means a lot more than nothing in platform sharing.

Edit: From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_platform

A basic definition of a platform in automobiles, from a technical point of view, includes: underbody and suspensions (with axles) — where the underbody is made of front floor, underfloor, engine compartment and frame (reinforcement of underbody).[5] Key mechanical components that define an automobile platform include:

The floorpan, which serves as a foundation for the chassis and other structural and mechanical components
Front and rear axles and the distance between them - wheelbase
Steering mechanism and type of power steering
Type of front and rear suspensions
Placement and choice of engine and other powertrain components

colm_mcm

They share a design as opposed to actual components.
You say its based on a supermini platform. Which is incorrect.

Is not the first time you've said it either. The same point is made every time the civic is mentioned.

peejy

2007 A4 1.8t coming in at budget.

Any thoughts?