Advice please

dermot10

Hi there ..Im a newbie and looking for some advice please...
Im hoping to do a 10km in a few months...and have to get new runners...

I spoke to a physio (on the phone) and they advised buying a neutral asic runners and then I will get heat moulded insoles orthotics made by them ....
but the person in the shop said they will do a Gait test and advise on the best runners to suit..he also mentioned there are runners to suit all types- motion control,supportive, neutral and so on....

Here's my question though....do I need to go to a physio and get orthotics fitted if the shop can supply me with the best pair of runners..looking at the articles with regard to the asic runners I know i would need the motion control runner..but physio is telling me to get a neutral pair...

Any advice please would be appreciated...

Gringo78

dermot10 wrote: »

Hi there ..Im a newbie and looking for some advice please...
Im hoping to do a 10km in a few months...and have to get new runners...

I spoke to a physio (on the phone) and they advised buying a neutral asic runners and then I will get heat moulded insoles orthotics made by them ....
but the person in the shop said they will do a Gait test and advise on the best runners to suit..he also mentioned there are runners to suit all types- motion control,supportive, neutral and so on....

Here's my question though....do I need to go to a physio and get orthotics fitted if the shop can supply me with the best pair of runners..looking at the articles with regard to the asic runners I know i would need the motion control runner..but physio is telling me to get a neutral pair...

Any advice please would be appreciated...

Unless you have been in person to see that particular Physio before and they identified specific problems with your gait, their advice over the phone is a total money seeking con job.

What part of country are you? Ask here for recommendations of good sports shops to get gait analysis done.

Cabaal

Gringo78 wrote: »

Unless you have been in person to see that particular Physio before and they identified specific problems with your gait, their advice over the phone is a total money seeking con job.

Have to agree with this,

Curious, "if" you haven't seen the physio in person before why even call one before getting runners?

dermot10

hi guys...im in the Drogheda area...what happen was i had a appointment booked for yesterday evening to see physio..then she cancelled at last minute over the phone..and asked me a few questions- injurys etc... I told her i was going to buy runners this weekend and asked her advice..she told me get a ' neutral pair of asics'... but thats what got me thinking..and then when i spoke to guy in shop(elverys sport shop) i got even more confused!!!

so should i go with advice of guy in shop or get neutral pair of asics as she advises??

thanks for replying/advice.....just don't want to be forking out more money than i have to...

menoscemo

dermot10 wrote: »

hi guys...im in the Drogheda area...what happen was i had a appointment booked for yesterday evening to see physio..then she cancelled at last minute over the phone..and asked me a few questions- injurys etc... I told her i was going to buy runners this weekend and asked her advice..she told me get a ' neutral pair of asics'... but thats what got me thinking..and then when i spoke to guy in shop(elverys sport shop) i got even more confused!!!

so should i go with advice of guy in shop or get neutral pair of asics as she advises??

thanks for replying/advice.....just don't want to be forking out more money than i have to...

Orthotics are best worn in a neutral pair of shoes. The question is why are you going to get orthotics based on a phone conversation with a physio?

dermot10

hi menoscemo...the main reason I was going to get orthotics was to try and prevent injury..

menoscemo

dermot10 wrote: »

hi menoscemo...the main reason I was going to get orthotics was to try and prevent injury..

Well if you were asking the physio to make you orthotics then she is right: you should pick up neutral shoes as you should only wear Orthotics in Neutral shoes afaik.
Motion control shoes already have the corrective mechanisms built into them. Adding orthotics would be overkill and likely result in you getting injured.

Clearlier

dermot10 wrote: »

hi menoscemo...the main reason I was going to get orthotics was to try and prevent injury..

Run, run as fast you can, away from that physio.

There is a time and a place for orthotics. I would never have gotten running without them however I've now managed to get myself off them and plan to stay that way.

Orthotics control the movement of your feet. They support your foot rather than the muscles in your foot doing the job. If orthotics are used then the muscles that you normally use to control your body are not going to be used and will waste. Over time other muscles may come under stress causing injury.

If you need em, get em (but not from a physio as they're not properly trained on how to cast orthotics although some think they are).

They should not be used as an injury prevention tool unless there is a very strong reason to believe that there will be an injury without them.

Core strength and enough flexibility to go through the full range of motion are IMO the most important tools for preventing injury.

P.S. Elverys are supposed to be a bit hit and miss on the shoe front. I and many others have had a lot of joy with Amphibian King - they're in Bray and Ballymount (called something else there IIRC).

Gringo78

dermot10 wrote: »

hi menoscemo...the main reason I was going to get orthotics was to try and prevent injury..

Selecting the right type of runner is a good start to preventing injury. Go with the gait analysis at elverys and see what type of runner is recommended. There is no charge for it and if the guy is any good he should be able to make a good recommendation after watching you run. Orthotics are really only a last resort type solution where you've had injuries and there isn't a specific type of runner to suit you

Build up the mileage slowly, don't increase weekly mileage by more than 10% in a week or your longest run by more than a mile and you'll also prevent injury.

Physiono1

Hi I'm a chartered physiotherapist and work predominantly in the athletics field. Nobody can tell you that you need orthotics before they actually see you.... So maybe hold off on runners until you see a physiotherapist and get your injury diagnosed & a treatment plan in place.

On another note Elverys are good for runner selection but equally not everybody needs an insole & it's not the quick fix. I've had loads of patients buy runners& insoles in sports shops& yes the insole is not wrong but it's not exactly essential either.

Most biomechanical running related injuries are due to muscle imbalance/ overload / lack of strength in key areas like gluts etc.

So I suggest
1) book Physio session(maybe with a different one if you're sceptical now!)
2) ask them re runners
3) get diagnosis& plan in place
4) then buy new runners

menoscemo

Also, you don't have to get asics. Get the brand of shoe that suits you best. Try on several pairs and go with what is most comfortable and the best fit for you.

I agree with the above btw. Orthotics should be a last resort.

Krusty_Clown

menoscemo wrote: »

I agree with the above btw. Orthotics should be a last resort.

That physio should be a last resort! That is absolutely shocking advice.
Why are you going to see a physio? Are you injured at the moment?

Darren 83

dermot10 wrote: »

hi guys...im in the Drogheda area...what happen was i had a appointment booked for yesterday evening to see physio..then she cancelled at last minute over the phone..and asked me a few questions- injurys etc... I told her i was going to buy runners this weekend and asked her advice..she told me get a ' neutral pair of asics'... but thats what got me thinking..and then when i spoke to guy in shop(elverys sport shop) i got even more confused!!!

so should i go with advice of guy in shop or get neutral pair of asics as she advises??

thanks for replying/advice.....just don't want to be forking out more money than i have to...

I'm from Drogheda as well when I started off running I went into elvery sports the manager could tell from my shoes what type off shoe I needed they where great, Elverys do gait in Dundalk. I had my gait done recently in Runways the manager was spot on in Elverys.

Really sounds the physio is trying to make money out of you.

dermot10

hi guys...many thanks for the advice....much appreciated...

menoscemo

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

That physio should be a last resort! That is absolutely shocking advice.

I got the impression the OP called that physio because he had already decided he wanted orthotics (hence my previous replies). Could be wrong though.