Just got my Motor Tax bill for 3 months.

keithclancy

One of these:



Costs this:


For 3 Months ... :mad:

Terrontress

How much is the vrt there?

biko

I pay 200 for 3 months.
2L car.

Can you translate the language?

ironclaw

Appears to be Dutch.

Celly Smunt

ironclaw wrote: »

Appears to be Dutch.

Motor tax is all dutch to me.

biko

It's a picture of a Volvo but what engine size is it?
Does engine size matter in Dutchland or is tax based on something else?

keithclancy

Terrontress wrote: »

How much is the vrt there?

Theres a calculator here:
http://www.autoweek.nl/bpmcalculator

biko wrote: »

I pay 200 for 3 months.
2L car.

Can you translate the language?

Basic payment for complete period: 115.32
Surcharge for Diesel: 175.80
Provincial Surcharge: 68.66

To Pay: 359

Tar.Aldarion

So that's why they cycle.

FearDark

Ha! It's worse here in New Zealand.

jca

keithclancy wrote: »

Theres a calculator here:
http://www.autoweek.nl/bpmcalculator



Basic payment for complete period: 115.32
Surcharge for Diesel: 175.80
Provincial Surcharge: 68.66

To Pay: 359[/. I think the Dutch system is done on vehicle weight as the basic starting point with charges added in for local area/LPG/diesel etc. Not cheap!!

jca

FearDark wrote: »

Ha! It's worse here in New Zealand.

Is it on the fuel in NZ?

keithclancy

biko wrote: »

It's a picture of a Volvo but what engine size is it?
Does engine size matter in Dutchland or is tax based on something else?

Vehicle Weight.

E.G. If you add an LPG Tank it adds to the weight and you also get an additional LPG Component on your tax bill.

jca wrote: »

Is it on the fuel in NZ?

Its based on Distance I think, remember a friend telling me that European cars were crazy expensive there as well.

E.G. She bought a brand new VW Polo and everyone thought she was a bit laa dee daa. :pac:

galwaytt

...so, it'd be 175 cheaper if it was petrol.........?

Dank je wel

CJhaughey

Diesel in NZ is all the same, no green or white or red.
For Road use you buy mileage units (Road user charge) and display the barcode readable ticket in the window.
If you are caught over your mileage you pay twice the price you would have originally.
But Motor tax is all the same no matter what size car you drive.

ironclaw

CJhaughey wrote: »

Diesel in NZ is all the same, no green or white or red.
For Road use you buy mileage units (Road user charge) and display the barcode readable ticket in the window.
If you are caught over your mileage you pay twice the price you would have originally.
But Motor tax is all the same no matter what size car you drive.

Out of interest, how much mileage would the average person buy? Is it a flat rate?

Cuddlesworth

CJhaughey wrote: »

Diesel in NZ is all the same, no green or white or red.
For Road use you buy mileage units (Road user charge) and display the barcode readable ticket in the window.
If you are caught over your mileage you pay twice the price you would have originally.
But Motor tax is all the same no matter what size car you drive.

If you thought clocking was bad here......

galwaytt

CJhaughey wrote: »

Diesel in NZ is all the same, no green or white or red.
For Road use you buy mileage units (Road user charge) and display the barcode readable ticket in the window.
If you are caught over your mileage you pay twice the price you would have originally.
But Motor tax is all the same no matter what size car you drive.

...what's on the ticket ? the mileage on your odo when you last filled up ? who checks that ?

ottostreet

God, that's even worse than our system.

mb1725

Hope Noonan's not reading this!

rocky

ottostreet wrote: »

God, that's even worse than our system.

It's better, they overcharge cancer giving diesels!

NIMAN

Just shows, foreign countries taxing more than us, yet every Tom, Dick and Harry is moaning here about us being tax'd too much, phoning into LiveLine etc.

People always think their own Gov is killing them with taxes when often they are not as bad as some other Govs.

ottostreet

Actually, unrelated somewhat, but was in Italy two weeks ago, and saw petrol was around 1.80-1.85 region. Don't know whether that includes tax or not, but **** me that's bad.

ardmacha

Just shows, foreign countries taxing more than us, yet every Tom, Dick and Harry is moaning here about us being tax'd too much, phoning into LiveLine etc.

Surely not. Sure everyone knows that everywhere else in the world people get great services and pay little or no tax.

CJhaughey

galwaytt wrote: »

...what's on the ticket ? the mileage on your odo when you last filled up ? who checks that ?

They check at checkpoints and if the officers think there is under recording of mileage they can take a short ride in the car with you and see how the Odo reads.
Not many Odometers can be switched off in the car
@Ironclaw, I think its multiples of 10k something like that anyway.

On the plus side there is no laundering of diesel and the associated costs of environmental pollution and money going to criminals.
Most motorists use petrol for all the right reasons only high mileage users use diesel over there.
Plenty of big petrol engines as well.

inforfun

rocky wrote: »

It's better, they overcharge cancer giving diesels!

Not really.
Diesel is a lot cheaper per liter than petrol.
Used to be a no brainer to go diesel once you did over 20.000 km per year.

Not sure about insurance (over 10 years ago since i last insured a car in Holland) but the car i bought here a couple of years ago would have cost me almost double in motor tax.
Also couldnt find a similar car on Dutch websites for less than 2x what i payed here 2nd hand.

There is also no way to escape motor tax, once you have a car in your name they will send you the invoice.

gurramok

NIMAN wrote: »

Just shows, foreign countries taxing more than us, yet every Tom, Dick and Harry is moaning here about us being tax'd too much, phoning into LiveLine etc.

People always think their own Gov is killing them with taxes when often they are not as bad as some other Govs.

The road tax in Holland is high for a reason, too many cars in a high population density country.

Whats our excuse?

Matt Simis

gurramok wrote: »

The road tax in Holland is high for a reason, too many cars in a high population density country.
Whats our excuse?

We dont have a Road Tax. We have a Motor tax which is used as a general catch all taxation income generator.

Seweryn wrote: »

Low density of population.  That means more roads per head / per car that require maintenance.

Incorrect as Motor tax in Ireland is not in any manner ring-fenced or substantially spent on Road Maintenance.

FearDark wrote: »

Ha! It's worse here in New Zealand.

Is it though? Maybe my figures are wrong, but I looked into it a few months ago and posted here:

Anyone of the "well they have to do it to run the country, we are only small etc" point of view would do well to look at New Zealand's income and motor tax structure.

Its an interesting system as its in two tiers:

Tier1
Everyone pays an Annual Vehicle Licensing fee, which is about $280 for a petrol and $480 for a diesel private car.
Note that unlike Ireland, this fee is specifically ring-fenced (as in 100% it seems) to the Roads Authority there, here our motor tax is being used to prop up every walk of life and our roads are in bits because of it.

Tier2
If you drive a diesel, you also have to pay a "mileage fee" (RUC License) of about $48 per thousand KM on a car (under 3.5tons).


So you might be wondering why are diesels getting reamed? Ah-ha, the reason is simple, they realise that 34% of diesel purchased is used by Commercial/Industry, so diesel is not subject to a Mineral Oil type Tax at the pump... diesel in NZ is about EUR0.94c a litre. So they allow the fuel to be sold at a big low tax discount and they recoup some of that tax back via the Licensing fee and RUC.

But its still way cheaper to tax and run a big engined diesel there than here. Its massively cheaper to do it with a petrol (or LPG, EUR0.70 a litre). And unlike say Norway, their income tax is substantially lower than Ireland's too.


This is a small Island nation, geographically extremely isolated (everything is imported long distance) with a similar population to Ireland, yet just look how much better they setup their country...

That seems to be way cheaper than the NL example (which is NZD $560 for 3mths)) and way cheaper than the annual EUR1810 (NZD $2816) we are charged for 3.0+/high CO2 regardless of usage.

Seweryn

gurramok wrote: »

The road tax in Holland is high for a reason, too many cars in a high population density country.

Whats our excuse?

Low density of population. That means more roads per head / per car that require maintenance.

Seweryn

Matt Simis wrote: »

Incorrect as Motor tax in Ireland is not in any manner ring-fenced or substantially spent on Road Maintenance.

I know that Matt. I am rather "looking for excuses" than putting up real facts .

gurramok

Seweryn wrote: »

Low density of population. That means more roads per head / per car that require maintenance.

Shall we start quoting densities of population now? You'll find you'll be wrong. Finland and Sweden have lower population densities than us. Holland is the highest.
Road tax(Motor tax for the pedants) is a revenue generator here which is not ringfenced for roads.

Seweryn

gurramok wrote: »

Shall we start quoting densities of population now? You'll find you'll be wrong. Finland and Sweden have lower population densities than us. Holland is the highest.
Road tax(Motor tax for the pedants) is a revenue generator here which is not ringfenced for roads.

All fine. And I do not care about Sweden (I don't even know if they pay motor tax), but about an excuse for high motor tax here in Ireland. In Holland the excuse for their road tax is high population density. In Ireland it can be anything, i.e. low population density, corrupted Government, black hole on the revenue balance sheet, whatever. Our motor tax rates may not be the highest in the world, but the way they are calculated is rather controversial.

keithclancy

Seweryn wrote: »

All fine. And I do not care about Sweden (I don't even know if they pay motor tax), but about an excuse for high motor tax here in Ireland. In Holland the excuse for their road tax is high population density. In Ireland it can be anything, i.e. low population density, corrupted Government, black hole on the revenue balance sheet, whatever. Our motor tax rates may not be the highest in the world, but the way they are calculated is rather controversial.

Motortuigenbelasting directly translated into English means Motor Vehicle Tax

mooseknunkle

I pay €422 for 3 months

BMJD

Seweryn wrote: »

All fine. And I do not care about Sweden (I don't even know if they pay motor tax), but about an excuse for high motor tax here in Ireland. In Holland the excuse for their road tax is high population density. In Ireland it can be anything, i.e. low population density, corrupted Government, black hole on the revenue balance sheet, whatever. Our motor tax rates may not be the highest in the world, but the way they are calculated is rather controversial.

I think the reason for the rates here is that they can simply get away with it.

georgefalls

ottostreet wrote: »

Actually, unrelated somewhat, but was in Italy two weeks ago, and saw petrol was around 1.80-1.85 region. Don't know whether that includes tax or not, but **** me that's bad.

Ya just showing off now, coz you've had a holiday when the rest of us are skint...:D