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Citizen Hearing on Disclosure live April 29 to May 03 2013

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Well its got a nice build up.
    Might be worth a watch.
    If only to see what they are programming the next generations for :D
    Im still HIGHLY skeptical we have made any contact with aliens, in the last 1000-2000 odd years or so anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    FREETV wrote: »
    Probably nothing short of producing a live, living in the flesh ET or a flying saucer will ever convince the world.

    As opposed to a you tube video. I guess you'd be right there.

    What would it take to convince most people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    studiorat wrote: »
    What would it take to convince most people?
    Not much!
    Have the main news channels stating a massive find of alien life and spin a good story, repeatedly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,314 ✭✭✭jh79


    Torakx wrote: »
    Not much!
    Have the main news channels stating a massive find of alien life and spin a good story, repeatedly.

    What did it take to convince you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    jh79 wrote: »
    What did it take to convince you?
    I dont believe aliens are in contact.

    Also I am not a good example of an average person by far lol
    I am one of the rarest personality types for a start.An ex cult member, a conspiracy theorist and a bit of a skeptic too.
    Completely stubborn about my independance and hate being part of a group or crowd.
    So even if something did convince me, it would be no marker to go by at all.

    However after coming out of a mind control sitaution and trying to adjust to newly built and still forming views on my new reality, I did for a time think aliens might be out there.
    But that is a psychological issue called post cult syndrome and something most would not be experiencing.

    What would it take to convince you?
    Or what do YOU think it would take to convince the average person?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,314 ✭✭✭jh79


    It would take a respected scientist with some physical evidence rather than some guy on youtube or a shaky camera phone video. Think that would apply to the average person.

    I'd say the average person believes in aliens in some description but they don't believe the "evidence" that is on the internet now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    It would be cool though wouldn't it if a massive spaceship arrived on earth tomorrow, imagine the panic and hysteria and the wow factor.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 291 ✭✭Sixtus


    Most people don't know that the Roswell incident was completely forgotten about from about 1947-1978 ish

    It's a tourist trap for a small hick town in the middle of nowhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Im trying to think of a good example but cant off the top of my head.
    Possibly cases of propganda effecting public opinion would be suitable.

    Ok maybe I have one, not sure if its a good example but anyway.
    Nearly everyone I know that I have had the chance to ask, believe in ghosts or that they might exist.
    None of the people Im counting are religious or believe in God.
    They just think its possible and so when I say to them" I would have no problems sitting in a dark room and messing around with a ouija board", they always say "Oh I dont believe in god etc, but I wouldnt do that".
    They seem to have supersticious beliefs, despite any logical reasoning.

    If the "elites" and governments decided to push the alien idea through superstition and propoganda, I think for the most part it would work.
    The only hurdle would be a great many scientists not going along with the idea.
    However if 90% of the media is owned by a small amount of groups(2 overall?)
    Then its more likely possible through propoganda alone.Just constantly repeating it on a daily/weekly basis might do.
    Not giving airtime t objecters, or making them look cazy by placing puppets to "represent" their arguement and then look like fools on national tv.
    See Alex Jones, David Icke for examples.

    But really I dont see this as a reality or situation thatwill happen in the next few years.
    Its too early for that, unless the economic situation is that out of control.
    But I would think they would pull off another world war before using the alien card.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭berettaman


    Looking forward to it..


    I have always thought that if a mother ship arrived etc it would take about 5 mins after contact before the latest trend in porn would be inter species copulation etc. :rolleyes:
    Sorry to put a downer on things but the next step would be a duet between Bieber and whoever their version of that would be..:o
    In frustration the aliens would then possibly leave...and a good portion of the earthlings would seek to go with them..;)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 291 ✭✭Sixtus


    berettaman wrote: »
    Looking forward to it..


    I have always thought that if a mother ship arrived etc it would take about 5 mins after contact before the latest trend in porn would be inter species copulation etc. :rolleyes:

    Never heard of Avatar porn?
    Sorry to put a downer on things but the next step would be a duet between Bieber and whoever their version of that would be..:o

    I know of another thread on another forum (it was quite brilliant a set of UFO fanatics have decided that UFOs are using cloaking devices that disguise their ships as clouds, so photos of cloud formats could be positive UFO sightings.

    Anyway this guy was convinced that the aliens would put on a massive light show, and deadly tunes, and his favourite music was psy trance. F-me if we encounter a higher alien being and they like psy trance, I'm jumping off the nearest high object.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Sixtus wrote: »
    Never heard of Avatar porn?



    I know of another thread on another forum (it was quite brilliant a set of UFO fanatics have decided that UFOs are using cloaking devices that disguise their ships as clouds, so photos of cloud formats could be positive UFO sightings.

    Anyway this guy was convinced that the aliens would put on a massive light show, and deadly tunes, and his favourite music was psy trance. F-me if we encounter a higher alien being and they like psy trance, I'm jumping off the nearest high object.

    That would be cool though, the Raveians from Rave World, a planet of non stop partying and euphoria.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 291 ✭✭Sixtus


    That would be cool though, the Raveians from Rave World, a planet of non stop partying and euphoria.

    I look forward to you explaining how they get anything practical done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Sixtus wrote: »
    I look forward to you explaining how they get anything practical done
    Well if they evolved on musrooms, maybe they reach us telepathically :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Sixtus wrote: »
    It's a tourist trap for a small hick town in the middle of nowhere.

    And we have Knock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Sixtus wrote: »
    I look forward to you explaining how they get anything practical done

    Quite simply, really, imagine how quickly and efficiently people would work if they were totally psyched up and listening to dance music, which is in a sense the aesthetic expression of musical efficiency, one fast and simple beat, with an ergonimically designed melody, no extra chuffa, just what's needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    haahahhaha! Thats deadly.
    They would need a good repair crew though.
    Those seats and consoles are taking one hell of a beating :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 291 ✭✭Sixtus


    Quite simply, really, imagine how quickly and efficiently people would work if they were totally psyched up and listening to dance music, which is in a sense the aesthetic expression of musical efficiency, one fast and simple beat, with an ergonimically designed melody, no extra chuffa, just what's needed.


    I generally think there isn't a single piece of music that a collective of people can work with. I'd find it tremendously annoying and profoundly unhelpful to listen to music as I work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Sixtus wrote: »
    I generally think there isn't a single piece of music that a collective of people can work with. I'd find it tremendously annoying and profoundly unhelpful to listen to music as I work.
    If you mean any music I find that very interesting.
    Are you very left brain(hemisphere) dominant?Well from reading only a few of your posts I can already tell you that you are lol
    Possibly very much left brain, maybe as much as I a right sided.Which puts you a the skeptic and me the CT stereo typically in a psychological/biological sense :D
    Im around 65% right side dominant and love listening to music of many types as I work.I helps me focus.
    It also might explain why I am slightly dyslexic and always typing words ars3ways.And many other things.
    http://www.shamozzle.com/RightLeftBrainTest.html
    A little tip I figured out too.
    If you want to reverse the spin to left brain as a righty, just keep adding numbers in your head.I use additions of 3 because the brain resonates with the number 3 very well. 3+3+3+3 etc while looking at the shadow of the feet can make it spin the other way :)

    If your a lefty im not sure.But id imagine a right brain exercise might be imagining a red ball going into and out of a blue box a couple of times might do it, for a lefty to switch to right side.
    Sorry a bit off topic, but this kind of stuff is one of the things I love researching the most.
    If anyone wants to chat with me on that stuff, feel free to pm me.


    In an effort to stay somewhat on topic lol
    Has anyone seen the clip of the tiny alien in that OP?
    If you remember Roswell and many other sightings.They all seemd quite large these ships.
    So a tiny little alien doesnt add up to me for a start.Doesnt match the stories either.
    And the one found in texas/mexico that was very small, was a hoax.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 291 ✭✭Sixtus


    Torakx wrote: »
    If you mean any music I find that very interesting.
    Are you very left brain(hemisphere) dominant?
    Im around 65% right side dominant and love listening to music of many types as I work.I helps me focus.





    A little tip I figured out too.
    If you want to reverse the spin to left brain as a righty, just keep adding numbers in your head.I use additions of 3 because the brain resonates with the number 3 very well. 3+3+3+3 etc while looking at the shadow of the feet can make it spin the other way :)

    If your a lefty im not sure.But id imagine a right brain exercise might be imagining a red ball going into and out of a blue box a couple of times might do it, for a lefty to switch to right side.
    Sorry a bit off topic, but this kind of stuff is one of the things I love researching the most.

    Well if you love to research it, you should already know that this "left brain v right brain" bullcrap is just that, bullcrap

    http://www.kurzweilai.net/creative-right-brain-myth-debunked
    The research team used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to scan the brains of architecture students, who tend to be visually creative.
    While being scanned, the subjects were shown three shapes: a circle, a C and an 8. They then were asked to visualize images that could be made by rearranging those shapes — for example, a face (with the 8 on its side to become the eyes, the C on its side to become the smiling mouth and the circle in the center as the nose).
    The students also were asked to simply try to piece three geometric shapes together with their minds and see if they formed a square or a rectangle — a task that requires similar spatial processing but not necessarily creativity.
    Even though it mainly was handled by the right hemisphere, the creative task actually lit up the left hemisphere more than the non-creative task. The results indicated that the left brain potentially is a crucial supporter of creativity in the brain.
    Aziz-Zadeh said she plans to explore more of how different types of creativity (painting, acting, singing) are created by the brain, what they have in common, and what makes them different.

    Your

    Diagram?
    This “right brain vs left brain test” from the Herald Sun is doing the rounds on the internet today. The article contains the so-called “spinning silhouette” optical illusion (below), and states that if you see the the dancer rotating in a clockwise direction “you use more of the right side of your brain and vice versa.”
    You’ve probably heard this left/ right brain dichotomy before. It goes something like this: the left hemisphere of the brain is logical, deductive, mathematical, etc., while the right hemisphere is artistic, visual and imaginative. The idea stems at least partly from the classic studies of split brain patients performed by Sperry and Gazzaniga in the 1960s.
    There are some functional asymmetries in the brain, and it is true that certain regions of both hemispheres are specialized for particular functions. Speech illustrates this, but also shows that nothing is ever so simple when it comes to the brain: in most right-handed people, speech is processed in both hemispheres, but predominantly in the left. In some left-handers, speech is processed either predominantly in the right hemisphere or on both sides.

    So the notion that someone is “left-brained” or “right-brained” is absolute nonsense. All complex behaviours and cognitive functions require the integrated actions of multiple brain regions in both hemispheres of the brain. All types of information are probably processed in both the left and right hemispheres (perhaps in different ways, so that the processing carried out on one side of the brain complements, rather than substitutes, that being carried out on the other).



    http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2007/10/13/the-left-brain-right-brain-myt/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    I am aware of some of that research.Generally my theories and research has proved to be accurate when testing them with many people.
    Some of it I have seen relating to the shamboozle "diagram".
    However... I bet I am still correct about you and my theory on switching works well for me and other people I know.
    I am aware that the left side is also used in creativity.
    The right side just by the ear has connections that span out acros the brain picking up random patterns of information.
    The opposite left side collects from a small area.
    Both sides I believe are involved.
    However that link is still an interesting experiment on visual thinking alone.
    Another interesting thing from that site, is a couple of people with aspergers seem to have it switch eratically from left to right.Which leads e to other theories lol
    But thanks for the links, I will refresh my memory on them and look into it more.
    Always good to update my profiles for different topics :)

    Also, as you last link/quote at the end highlights, there are general rules of thumb, but not specific to all people.
    I take it with a pinch of salt.Someone can lose a piece of their left brain and relearn skills in the other side for example.So I aknowledge we are not ALL the same.
    On average though many are quite similar.

    Sorry lat edit!.
    Read fully your first repsonse also.
    This is something I had already fully understood.No update there unfortunately.It doesnt change what I think on the mind/brain.
    Were you a lefty or righty btw? (shamoozle question):D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Sixtus wrote: »
    I generally think there isn't a single piece of music that a collective of people can work with. I'd find it tremendously annoying and profoundly unhelpful to listen to music as I work.

    You need some Es then, you'll love listening to music while you work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    what's the story with Dr Steven Greer, he seems to have alienated himself, (no pun intended) from the heavyweights like Freidman and others?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Sixtus wrote: »
    I generally think there isn't a single piece of music that a collective of people can work with. I'd find it tremendously annoying and profoundly unhelpful to listen to music as I work.

    It seems to be different across the board for people when it comes to routine tasks. There's also some difference in spatial tasks as opposed to abstract reasoning. But when it comes to concentration music does distract quite a lot. The complexity of music is also a factor as well as if it has lyrical content. More complex and lyrical music decreases how well people can concentrate and extract information from prose for example.

    Music does calm or stimulate and can improve performance in that respect. Listening to music before tests has improved peoples results as opposed to during the test.

    But in general you could say that music aids routine tasks and inhibits concentration.

    Regarding the right-left brain thing. You could roughly say with music that the right side does the processing, working out the rhythms, tone etc. While the left side deals with music on a conceptual level, due to it's relationship with language I suppose. However simply dividing it up like that is meaningless because only when we have the two together it ceases to be music. One strange finding was that subjects with damage to their amygdala could not tell if music was scary or sad, but could still tell if music was happy.

    It's also been shown that southpaws have a better memory for pitch, can remember a tune better if you will.

    Of course how that's gonna help people catch aliens is another thing altogether...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25 Pat X


    Torakx wrote: »
    ..... An ex cult member

    ..... Completely stubborn about my independance and hate being part of a group or crowd.

    Are these not mutually exclusive? Were you "the leader"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Pat X wrote: »
    Are these not mutually exclusive? Were you "the leader"?
    Hahah If I was the leader I would be loaded.

    They are exclusive, especially of each other.
    Which is all part of being an ex cult member ;)
    Once you had a right ole taste of religion(and i mean a high dose!) you tend to bbounce in the opposite direction for a good few years (post cult syndrome).
    I have been through that phase already and balanced out.Its partly why I am so so stuborn about being my own person and nobody controlling me, including government etc.
    Because I was to a great extend under mind control and brainwashed ^^
    So you could say it still has a strong effect to this day, because its shaped my personality to be apposing to control and authority now and also I am always try not to be too closed minded after my experience.
    So I may pose some "crazy" theories on these boards, but also from time to time I will also accpet reason lol
    A few kinks to iron out, but im very happy overall now :)
    An interesting life experience so far, nearly worth doing again just to have the insights I do about many things.

    How that fits with the disclosure thing aswell might be a few ways.
    I am not atheist although that is a very common belief system for those I know who also left the same cult.
    Im more an agnostic if I had to be labeled as having a belief.

    I accept its possible aliens exist, but also see alot of reasons why governments involved in black projects and future technology would like us to believe in aliens.
    I dont see any solid evidence yet that aliens are near earth.
    But osme stories in the bible are interestign if you read some passages with aliens in mind.Like the pillar going up into the sky with fire at the base.and the Nephelim.
    But I take that with a pinch of salt too.

    So in general I first base my theories on how i see things going down overall in the world from a human perspective.
    And play top trumps with the evidence :D
    I believe the "elite" families exist.and have alot of power as do many groups and corporations.I accept these things as likely.
    And the rest of my theories trickle down like that.Using that as a platform.
    The platform ussually based on stuff that is fairly solid, but some of it is debateable.
    Which leads me to cnspiracy theories and not conspiracy facts or just facts.
    I theorize around all the what ifs :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    I'd like to read more about the cult thing some day Torakx.
    Another thread/forum perhaps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Going back to the music while you work thing for a minute...I'm a programmer and in the days when I would write for hours on end, I always loved listening to Steve Reich, really found it helped focus the mind.

    Recursion and infinite loops baby...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    Well, did anybody pay the 9.99 in Dollars to watch the Sirius documentary?
    Was it any good? :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    downloading it now, will let ye know how bad it is later :)

    btw, why does greer have no association with stanton friedman or richard hoagland? there seems to be bad blood between them all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    K, i got to watch all of it finally, it's 2 hours long, narrated by Thomas Jane and it's basically a clipshow of a lot of interviews which could have been really interesting if they showed them in full, it didn't.

    The little alien, catscan and other tests proved inconclusive as to what it is, although it was apparently alive and lived for approximately 5-6 years according to the film.

    To me, Greer is like a bond-villain, he looks like a wrestler and has armed bodyguards (you can see they armed in the film) goes out to the middle of nowhere, takes money from interested parties to see ufo's and meditates, says that he makes contact with aliens by telepathy/thought and has a growing number of followers.
    The whole thing and he himself reminded me of that heaven's gate freak
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    Whackiness aside, he does have a lot of ex-military personnel in the documentary/film with some interesting tidbits of information. Just not enough of anything to warrant paying money to see.

    Wait for it on youtube or whatever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    K, i got to watch all of it finally, it's 2 hours long, narrated by Thomas Jane and it's basically a clipshow of a lot of interviews which could have been really interesting if they showed them in full, it didn't.

    The little alien, catscan and other tests proved inconclusive as to what it is, although it was apparently alive and lived for approximately 5-6 years according to the film.

    To me, Greer is like a bond-villain, he looks like a wrestler and has armed bodyguards (you can see they armed in the film) goes out to the middle of nowhere, takes money from interested parties to see ufo's and meditates, says that he makes contact with aliens by telepathy/thought and has a growing number of followers.
    The whole thing and he himself reminded me of that heaven's gate freak
    340x_aqszhwu1rwo.jpg


    Whackiness aside, he does have a lot of ex-military personnel in the documentary/film with some interesting tidbits of information. Just not enough of anything to warrant paying money to see.

    Wait for it on youtube or whatever.

    Greer does a lot of body building, surely they aren't all telling lies then?
    His life has been threatened by the CIA according to him, hence the bodyguards, I bet that they are very expensive to hire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Lots of witnesses with very little airtime and heavy editing makes me think the stories don't meld together as well as Greer wanted them to. I'd like to see the full interviews he has but well, it's just not in the film.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    Aliens are demons and they want your soul, Greer is an agent of the devil .


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭Yitzhak Rabin


    Aliens are demons and they want your soul, Greer is an agent of the devil .

    Seems like a reasonable hypothesis.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    How about Stephen Bassett then?
    He seems extremely passionate about the whole subject.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    Aliens are demons and they want your soul, Greer is an agent of the devil .

    Where's the evidence that he or it as in the Devil exists or the invisible man in the sky apart from folklore?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    FREETV wrote: »
    Where's the evidence that he or it as in the Devil exists or the invisible man in the sky apart from folklore?

    Have you ever read Whitley Streibers books!

    The chemtrails are probably to keep them out of are athmosphere, the whole planet has to be poisoned to keep them out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    Have you ever read Whitley Streibers books!

    The chemtrails are probably to keep them out of are athmosphere, the whole planet has to be poisoned to keep them out.

    No but I read that he was debunked, people wrote that he was a liar, I don't know whether he was or not, I believe that he died?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    he's still around, has a column on his wife's website too, unless he died very recently?


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