Campy - Shimmy

iregk

I know this is probably a difficult one and people have positive and negative feelings on both sides of the fence. Ball park though what lines from campy match those from Shimano? As in Super Record would be Campagnolo's Dura Ace. So taking Shimano:

Sora ->
Tiagra ->
105 ->
Ultegra ->
Dura Ace ->

AstraMonti

Mirage -> 2200 or whatever
Veloce -> Sora
Centaur -> Tiagra
Athena ->105
Chorus -> Ultegra
Record -> Dura Ace 7900
SuperRecord -> Dura Ace 9000
SuperRecord Ti

Athena EPS - Ultegra Di2
Record EPS - DA Di2
SuperRecord EPS

At least that's how I would compare them.

iregk

Thanks Astra but I was wondering this:

Sora -> Mirace/Veloce
Tiagra -> Centaur
105 -> Athena
Ultegra -> Chorus
Dura Ace -> SuperRecord

That about right?

AstraMonti

Yeah, reread the thread and edited the post above

jag con

In my opinion i would rate Campy Veloce as the same as Shimano 105 i've ran both and the Campy is on par with very similar crisp gear changing.

CheGuedara

jag con wrote: »

In my opinion i would rate Campy Veloce as the same as Shimano 105 i've ran both and the Campy is on par with very similar crisp gear changing.

+1 on this, it's lighter than 105 too IIRC.

Raam

AstraMonti wrote: »

Athena EPS - Ultegra Di2
Record EPS - DA Di2
SuperRecord EPS

At least that's how I would compare them.

I didn't think there was a Record EPS

Raam

Raam wrote: »

I didn't think there was a Record EPS

Oh there is.
http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/groupset/catid_22.jsp

DirkVoodoo

You can't compare based on the number of models on offer, that's pointless.

As above, compare by weight and number of gears:

Veloce vs 105

Both 10 speed

Both around 2450g for a compact groupset, similar crank lengths, etc.

Veloce is far ahead of Sora I'm afraid.

Not even sure how Athena can be compared to Ultegra? Different number of gears, Athena up till recently had Ultrashift so you had multiple up AND down shifts, which Ultegra doesn't.

To be honest, you're mad comparing groupsets between brands. You pick a brand because you like the shifters, you like the operation and it fits with any existing wheels you might own. It's not as simple as comparing laptops or phones...

Chips Lovell

Campag don't do entry level groups anymore, so there isn't really anything to compare to Sora or Tiagra.

letape

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Campag don't do entry level groups anymore, so there isn't really anything to compare to Sora or Tiagra.

I agree with this. It's not like the lowest campag is equivalent with the lowest Shimano and then work up!

As Dirkvoodoo said there really aren't direct comparisons to be made. I would for example rate chorus higher than ultregra. 11 speed and a significant helping of carbon (levers, chainset and rear mech).

smacl

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Campag don't do entry level groups anymore, so there isn't really anything to compare to Sora or Tiagra.

Below Veloce, you still get the odd xenon groupset knocking about. I've been running 9 speed xenon for the last year and a half and find it fine, probably upgrade to veloce when and if anything breaks.

Raam

Does anyone know where they get the names for the groupsets?

Pawlie

Campag Centaur is alot better and cheaper than the 105's,
Nicer looking,lighter and ergonomics much better with campag ie one lever for just one action,hoods are better and more comfortable.

TBH its all down to what you want/like yourself and what you are willing to pay,

happytramp

Goes something like this in terms of price, weight and place on line

Shimano - Campagnolo - Sram

Sora - Xenon - XXX
Tiagra - Mirage - XXX
105 - Veloce - Apex
Ultegra - Athena/Centaur - Rival
Dura Ace - Chorus - Force
Di2 - Record - Red
xxx - Super record - xxx

Craig06

Xenon is 10 speed and more on par with the 10 speed tiagra 4600. Also has xenon not been replaced by veloce