Children's Rights Referendum 2012.

Torakx

Somehow stumbled onto this.
I had been walking past all these signs back in november and shaking my head to myself, wondering what kind of scam are they up to now.
I didnt get involved as I refuse to take part in a corrupt political system.

But since I came across this, I thought maybe we can take a look at and discuss what exactly the Irish government were up to back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfGdAQb8PZg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-First_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_%28Children%29_Bill_2012

Just two days before the referendum was held, in McCrystal v. Minister for Children the Supreme Court ruled that the government had breached the constitution by using public funds to publish and distribute information concerning the referendum that was biased in favour of a yes vote.

On 19 November 2012, two women brought a referendum petition challenging the yes result. They claim that the unlawful use of public funds by the government materially affected the result.[5] The case has been adjourned pending the handing down of written judgements in the McCrystal case.
The president will only sign the referendum bill into law if and when the referendum petition fails.

The McCrystal case
http://nationalplatform.org/2013/01/12/irish-referendum-practice-from-mckenna-1995-to-mccrystal-2012-how-irish-governments-behaved-unconstitutionally-in-serving-the-eu-agenda/

The Supreme Court made clear in the McCrystal case that the McKenna principles accorded with best international practice regarding referendums.
In their judgements the Chief Justice and Mr Justice John Murray referred to the “Code of Good Practice in Referendums” which was adopted by the Venice Commission for Democracy through Law, an advisory body of the Council of Europe, and the Council for Democratic Elections in 2006 and 2007. This Code included the statement that

“Equality of opportunity must be guaranteed for the supporters and opponents of the proposal being voted on. This entails a neutral attitude by administrative authorities, in particular with regard to … public funding of a campaign and its actors.”

And again:

“There must be no use of public funds by the authorities for campaigning purposes in order to guarantee equality of opportunity and the freedom of voters to form an opinion.”

From a government news site.
http://www.merrionstreet.ie/index.php/2012/12/government-statement-supreme-court-judgment-on-mccrystal-case/

The Court unanimously acknowledged that the principle enunciated in the McKenna judgment stands as firm as ever, but the modes through which information is conveyed are very different to those which were operating in 1995. The Court has found that the Government, in attempting to fulfil this duty to inform the people, strayed beyond the boundary of the provision of information to the electorate.

Yep! plastered YES posters all over the shop!!

The Court found that the Government at all times acted in a bona fide manner,

Er no i dont think so!

and all the publications were issued with a view to informing the electorate about the referendum.

About a yes vote maybe.

Anyway thats enough info for now.
Id like to hear what people think on this one.
Was there any dodge institutions working with the ministers on this one?
I heard mention in the video of Irish kids being sent to England.
Anyone know more about this and what the reason was?

For a look at what may be happening in the UK here is some info.
I have only read what I quoted and the rest of the story is to do with examples I believe.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9606161/The-worst-scandal-I-have-seen-in-my-50-year-career.html

Scarcely a week goes by without more evidence emerging to indicate that our “child protection” system is so dysfunctional that it should be looked on as a major national scandal. On one hand, we see the number of applications by social workers to take children into care soaring to nearly 1,000 a month, having more than doubled in the four years since the tragedy of Baby P. On the other, we hear of horrific episodes, like those recently reported from Rochdale and Rotherham, where social workers and police turned a blind eye to the systematic mass-rape of underage girls, many themselves in state care.

Considering the Jimmy Saville farce of a situation relatin to government ministers, this doesnt suprise me at all.
My fears are that the Irish people (yes the voters im blaming again) are sending children to the UK where they have less than clean track record when it comes to child welfare.

In fairness only around 33% actually voted on this referendum in 2012.

Torakx

Ok im starting to home in on the motives hopefully.
Ive been using the UK model as a guidline for now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7840626/Big-money-to-be-made-in-the-adoption-trade.html

It is not generally appreciated how adoption and fostering, organised by social workers, have become big business – quite apart from the fees charged by those lawyers and experts who are part of this corrupt system.
Adoption payments and access to a wide range of benefits can provide carers with hundreds, even thousands of pounds a week. Still to be found on the internet (see the Forced Adoption website) is an advertisement by Slough Family Placement Services headed “Balloons and family fun to promote fostering”. This promised that Slough’s town square would be “bustling with activities including face painting and balloon modelling”, complete with a “David Beckham lookalike” (“bring a camera”), to launch “a new fostering allowance of £400 a week”.

But that is more motive for social workers, solicitors etc.
Do they have a hand in legislation somehow?

Back to Ireland it seems the ex-commisioner who used to head the board charged with giving the public an impartial view of each referendum(which then had its powers limited after a no vote!) was also the judge who headed the judgement that the government acted fairly in this child protection referendum.....
Later his judgement was overruled at the supreme court.With a very contrasting judgement!

So the same guy who was involved with informing the public on referendums, sided with an obviously out of order government.
Anything going on there?
His judgement is suspicious to me and makes me think he had a vested interest in blocking the high court appeal regardless of the truth.

As it stands it seems the main reason this referendum was brought about, was pressure from the UN to get Ireland to lower its child protection laws, so they could fall in sync with the lesser UN laws.

It might be the UN is the best place to look for the motives.They seem to be the root of this problem.
Any info on who would have made this legislation, is much appreciated.