Corporate Law

TheAlkaline

Is anyone doing this course? Can you talk me through it?
http://www.qualifax.ie/qf/QFPublic/?Mainsec=courses&Subsec=course_details&ID=1916&CSH_ID=18&AdvancedKeyword=&ResetCount=1

Reventon93

TheAlkaline wrote: »

Is anyone doing this course? Can you talk me through it?
http://www.qualifax.ie/qf/QFPublic/?Mainsec=courses&Subsec=course_details&ID=1916&CSH_ID=18&AdvancedKeyword=&ResetCount=1

I'm nearly finished first year. If you want to know anything feel free to ask

laoch na mona

it trains you to be evil run away

silenceisfoo

laoch na mona wrote: »

it trains you to be evil run away

We were all plenty evil before the course. I finished a couple of years ago and did the LL.B. as well.

TheAlkaline

laoch na mona wrote: »

it trains you to be evil run away

explain yourself in more details, please haha

TheAlkaline

silenceisfoo wrote: »

We were all plenty evil before the course. I finished a couple of years ago and did the LL.B. as well.

Can you talk me through this course? What do they teach you, how are the lectures, project work, is it interesting, what careers can you do after finishing it?

laoch na mona

TheAlkaline wrote: »

explain yourself in more details, please haha

my friend does it he was a promising young lad at first young and full of life now he is building a death star

silenceisfoo

To be fair, who does not have a death star sketch/blue print/ funding justification nearby?
Not sure about the course now but it use to be fairly intense. You had exams same as everyone else and then one essay which made up part of a mark in one subject each year. It was more intense than Civil Law as there were more subjects. Probably more rewarding than civil law imo.
As for careers, traditional route of solicitor and barrister claimed a few but so did auditing and accounting. Perhaps talk to the head of the school, or someone who is currently doing the course. Phone the faculty and ask them.
Am I to assume you are a mature student?

TheAlkaline

silenceisfoo wrote: »

To be fair, who does not have a death star sketch/blue print/ funding justification nearby?
Not sure about the course now but it use to be fairly intense. You had exams same as everyone else and then one essay which made up part of a mark in one subject each year. It was more intense than Civil Law as there were more subjects. Probably more rewarding than civil law imo.
As for careers, traditional route of solicitor and barrister claimed a few but so did auditing and accounting. Perhaps talk to the head of the school, or someone who is currently doing the course. Phone the faculty and ask them.
Am I to assume you are a mature student?

I am undergraduate, doing my LC this year.

silenceisfoo

It is a good course. You need to do an extra year after to gain the full LL.B degree as well. this entitles you to B.Corp.Law LL.B. after your name. you do need to do the extra year afterward to get the lob. This is also a year you will have to pay full fees of about 6000 though i am not sure what they are now.
It is more structured than the civil law in that you have set subjects rather than civil law which would have more freedom in their choosing. anything else you want PM me.
When i learn what PM is and how to use i will respond.

TheAlkaline

silenceisfoo wrote: »

It is a good course. You need to do an extra year after to gain the full LL.B degree as well. this entitles you to B.Corp.Law LL.B. after your name. you do need to do the extra year afterward to get the lob. This is also a year you will have to pay full fees of about 6000 though i am not sure what they are now.
It is more structured than the civil law in that you have set subjects rather than civil law which would have more freedom in their choosing. anything else you want PM me.
When i learn what PM is and how to use i will respond.

I think that I don't fully understand how does it work. After I do my 3 years I still have to do an extra year to actually get my Bachelor Degree?
Also I have read that I might choose to study 1 year abroad to get my B.Corp.Law.International.
This means that I will have to do 5 years of study?
And that last year fees seems to be quite expensive :eek:

silenceisfoo

The way it works is that you get one undergrad degree. In this case the corp law. You can do a year abroad which would make it 4 years. You don't have to pay fees for this. At the end of either the 3 years or 4 years international, you are awarded the B.Corp.Law.
The Corp class then have the option of staying on an extra year to receive llb degree. Because you already have so much of the llb degree done through corp law subjects, you only spend 1 year doing it. this is the year you will pay fees for. at the end of that year you are awarded a llb degree.
some choose not to do the extra llb year but to be honest they can pay for it further down the line when they need to qualify.

TheAlkaline

silenceisfoo wrote: »

The way it works is that you get one undergrad degree. In this case the corp law. You can do a year abroad which would make it 4 years. You don't have to pay fees for this. At the end of either the 3 years or 4 years international, you are awarded the B.Corp.Law.
The Corp class then have the option of staying on an extra year to receive llb degree. Because you already have so much of the llb degree done through corp law subjects, you only spend 1 year doing it. this is the year you will pay fees for. at the end of that year you are awarded a llb degree.
some choose not to do the extra llb year but to be honest they can pay for it further down the line when they need to qualify.

It sounds pretty good, I'm sure that LL.B is quite a nice thing to have on your CV.

Another question if you don't mind , is this course hard to study? Do they teach you things from basics and is there any help available for you in case you need to catch up?

silenceisfoo

they assume total ignorance of everything from day 1. unlike science or maths based subjects, you need nothing in order to go into the course.
saying that you really ought to take a half day and meet with a member of the staff to discuss any questions you might have. it is in there interest that as many students as possible take the course so they will be more than willing to help with anything.

TheAlkaline

This is really helpful, thanks.

One more question, a little bit off-topic here. But.. Is there many students that have moved to NUIG from West of Ireland?
I live in Co.Wicklow currently and I wonder if its actually worth moving to Galway when I have Dublin right in front of my nose.

silenceisfoo

I moved from the south east as well. not as far as you would think- 200 miles in 3 hours in a car. plenty of buses and trains.
i would say follow your choice of course not geography.

TheAlkaline

silenceisfoo wrote: »

I moved from the south east as well. not as far as you would think- 200 miles in 3 hours in a car. plenty of buses and trains.
i would say follow your choice of course not geography.

Fair enough, thanks mate. Appreciate the help.
I think that's it for now, unless you think that I should know about something.

silenceisfoo

the social life is epic.

Lockstep

You do a mix of law and commerce subjects so it allows you to go down either route afterwards, although has been said, you need to do the LLB if you want to practice law as the B.Corp doesn't cover enough of the core law subjects. There are ways around this but getting a law degree is by far the cheapest and easiest way.

If you're positive that you want to practice law, you might be better off doing the BCL as it'll be quicker and cheaper to get the necessary qualifications. If you're not sure if you want to do (maybe business, maybe law) then the B.Corp is a good choice although you'll need to do the LLB afterwards. I did the LLB last year and loved it but part of me wishes I'd just done the BCL to begin with.

TheAlkaline

Lockstep wrote: »

You do a mix of law and commerce subjects so it allows you to go down either route afterwards, although has been said, you need to do the LLB if you want to practice law as the B.Corp doesn't cover enough of the core law subjects. There are ways around this but getting a law degree is by far the cheapest and easiest way.

If you're positive that you want to practice law, you might be better off doing the BCL as it'll be quicker and cheaper to get the necessary qualifications. If you're not sure if you want to do (maybe business, maybe law) then the B.Corp is a good choice although you'll need to do the LLB afterwards. I did the LLB last year and loved it but part of me wishes I'd just done the BCL to begin with.

I have no specific area that I am interested in (I am really open minded person, I like all sort of stuff from Arts, Science, Law, Business to Computing, Architecture, Psychology and the list goes on.. haha :rolleyes:) but I am definitely interested in Business and how does the Law rules it. Also, I am considering the careers in Emergency Services like Garda, and knowledge of law will definitely give me advantage in it.

Lockstep

TheAlkaline wrote: »

I have no specific area that I am interested in (I am really open minded person, I like all sort of stuff from Arts, Science, Law, Business to Computing, Architecture, Psychology and the list goes on.. haha :rolleyes:) but I am definitely interested in Business and how does the Law rules it. Also, I am considering the careers in Emergency Services like Garda, and knowledge of law will definitely give me advantage in it.

I'm not too sure on how Garda recruitment works but the B.Corp won't teach you stuff that'll be much use as a cop unless you work in a white collar crime division. The B.Corp teaches you business law subjects like contract law, banking law and insurance law which are great for business but not really of much use to a cop.

If you're interested in law relevent to policing, you'd need to do the LLB afterwards for things like criminal law, public law, evidence and criminal justice.

Alternatively, if you've a diverse range of interests, you could always do a B.A in Legal Studies and another arts subject. There you'll do civil law (rather than business law) subjects like criminal and constitutional law although again, you'll still need to do an LLB afterwards to cover the rest of your legal training.
Best bet might just be to go for a BCL, where you can do an array of civil law subjects relevent to being a cop while doing business law subjects as well. You can get it done in 3 years and it won't be as expensive as an LLB.

TheAlkaline

Lockstep wrote: »

I'm not too sure on how Garda recruitment works but the B.Corp won't teach you stuff that'll be much use as a cop unless you work in a white collar crime division. The B.Corp teaches you business law subjects like contract law, banking law and insurance law which are great for business but not really of much use to a cop.

If you're interested in law relevent to policing, you'd need to do the LLB afterwards for things like criminal law, public law, evidence and criminal justice.

Alternatively, if you've a diverse range of interests, you could always do a B.A in Legal Studies and another arts subject. There you'll do civil law (rather than business law) subjects like criminal and constitutional law although again, you'll still need to do an LLB afterwards to cover the rest of your legal training.
Best bet might just be to go for a BCL, where you can do an array of civil law subjects relevent to being a cop while doing business law subjects as well. You can get it done in 3 years and it won't be as expensive as an LLB.

Oh yeah sorry, I forgot to mention that for the Garda thing I would do the LLB. Your point is right about doing Civil Law rather than Corporate Law but I'm not sure If I get enough points for it. But I think that I will put it on my CAO application anyway.

cat_xx

Im just finished the degree and currently doing the LLB. If I could go back again id do civil law. The business subjects we did were not great and in second year we did two mandatory business subjects which were the exact same! I felt like we just got the business subjects the college needed numbers for. If you are thinking you want a career in Law definitely do the civil law course as it will save you 6 grand and an extra year in college! Also you can do an erasmus year in civil law.

Lockstep

cat_xx wrote: »

Also you can do an erasmus year in civil law.

I didn't do Corporate Law so can't comment on the rest of your post but you can definetly do Erasmus with the B.Corp as a few of my friends did it at the same time as me. You can also do it with Legal Studies (which is how I did Erasmus)

TheAlkaline

Lockstep wrote: »

I didn't do Corporate Law so can't comment on the rest of your post but you can definetly do Erasmus with the B.Corp as a few of my friends did it at the same time as me. You can also do it with Legal Studies (which is how I did Erasmus)

Legal Studies is under Arts, right?

Lockstep

It is.

It was Legal Science when I started it (in 2007) but as far as I know, it hasn't changed much, you do civil, rather than corporate law subjects so we did Contract, Constitutional, European, Criminal, Company and Tort. You also have some choices for optional subjects, I did human rights and law of the sea.
You can do the LLB afterwards for subjects necessary to practice law like land and equity. If you're interested in being a cop then public law, evidence and criminal justice will be very useful although they're only offered in the BCL and the LLB (not in the BA or B.Corp)

iamanengine

Hello, I do Civil Law, although only in 1st year but may aswell give my 2 cents!

Civil and Corp have three crossover subjects in 1st year. These are Contract, Constitutional and Tort. There is also Irish Legal Systems which is a 1 semester subject.

Then the Corp laws have Accounting which is mandatory and an option of B.I.S. no idea what that is, most of the Corp's I know who do it barely know either :pac: Or instead of B.I.S they can do a language.

For Civil you can either do a language or Family Law.

The Civils also do Intensive Legal Methods and Research which is all continuous assessment and a 1 semester subject called Legal Procedure.

If you want to go down the law route definitely opt for the BCL route as you will save money and time.

Edit: The Erasmus is available as long as you are doing a language.

TheAlkaline

iamanengine wrote: »

Hello, I do Civil Law, although only in 1st year but may aswell give my 2 cents!

Civil and Corp have three crossover subjects in 1st year. These are Contract, Constitutional and Tort. There is also Irish Legal Systems which is a 1 semester subject.

Then the Corp laws have Accounting which is mandatory and an option of B.I.S. no idea what that is, most of the Corp's I know who do it barely know either :pac: Or instead of B.I.S they can do a language.

For Civil you can either do a language or Family Law.

The Civils also do Intensive Legal Methods and Research which is all continuous assessment and a 1 semester subject called Legal Procedure.

If you want to go down the law route definitely opt for the BCL route as you will save money and time.

Edit: The Erasmus is available as long as you are doing a language.

That's useful, thanks

Podgerz

TheAlkaline wrote: »

That's useful, thanks

You DONT need a language to do Erasmus; you can go to an English speaking University like Belgium

Lockstep

Podgerz wrote: »

You DONT need a language to do Erasmus; you can go to an English speaking University like Belgium

Yeah, that's what I did. There's opportunities for law students (BCL or Legal Studies) to study abroad in the US, Leuven (Belgium), Leiden (Netherlands) or various places in Scandinavia. I went to Leuven myself without studying any language. Dunno where B.Corp students can go.

apriori

As a graduate of the B.Corp Law French stream I am offering the following advice. I chose the B.Corp because I loved accounting, business, and French but I had my doubts over economics and law especially. This explains why I didn't commit to a full degree in either. So if you want to keep your options open then by all means do the B.Corp. But the course is only what you make of it. For example, it is ideal for people who like Accounting for them to pursue a masters following the degree. As a law degree it's okay. With this in mind, if you feel you like law and want to practice law, then do the BCL.

For what it's worth, the French universities on offer are as follows: Université de Poitiers (one of the most prestigious law faculties in France), Aix en Provence (very prestigious), Montpellier (students mainly take business courses), Clermont-Ferrand (horrific), and Toulouse Capitole 1 (excellent university).

On a side note, I love NUI Galway and Galway city. But at the end of it all, the market for lawyers is competitive and the prestige of your degree for employers depends on the reputation of your university. While NUI Galway's law faculty is gradually improving, the big law firms in Dublin display a heavy bias towards TCD and UCD students. Put simply, their law degrees are viewed as better than UL and NUI Galway. I recommend you consider so of the courses on offer at TCD and UCD, the demand for these courses especially B&L at UCD has fallen a lot recently, so it's easier to get into. This is just my opinion and I feel it's worth considering because I certainly wish I had someone give me more guidance when I was filling out my CAO.

iamanengine

I don't know how reputable the whole ranking universities thing is but this site ranks NUIG the second highest law school in Ireland, Trinity being number 1.

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2012/law-and-legal-studies

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2012/law-and-legal-studies?delta%5B%5D=field_ranking_scores_102015&delta%5B%5D=field_ranking_scores_102016&delta%5B%5D=field_ranking_scores_102017&ugrad_course=&pgrad_course=&loc=ireland&field_ranking_scores_102015=0.6&field_ranking_scores_102016=0.3&field_ranking_scores_102017=0.1&custom_ranking=&save_my_rankings_data_sort=2%2Casc%2C0&save_my_rankings_data_limit=50&save_my_rankings_data_search=&save_my_rankings_data_start=100

apriori

iamanengine wrote: »

I don't know how reputable the whole ranking universities thing is but this site ranks NUIG the second highest law school in Ireland, Trinity being number 1.

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2012/law-and-legal-studies

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2012/law-and-legal-studies?delta%5B%5D=field_ranking_scores_102015&delta%5B%5D=field_ranking_scores_102016&delta%5B%5D=field_ranking_scores_102017&ugrad_course=&pgrad_course=&loc=ireland&field_ranking_scores_102015=0.6&field_ranking_scores_102016=0.3&field_ranking_scores_102017=0.1&custom_ranking=&save_my_rankings_data_sort=2%2Casc%2C0&save_my_rankings_data_limit=50&save_my_rankings_data_search=&save_my_rankings_data_start=100

While the QS rankings are a good indicator of the calibre of the universities, I was looking at things from the job market perspective standing in the shoes of employers. An LLB from TCD has a global reputation, it stands out on your CV whereas an LLB/BCL/B.Corp does not so much.

Lockstep

A degree from NUIG is mostly what you make of it. The corporate law interviews in Dublin that I went to were certainly dominated by TCD and UCD.
However, NUIG is not a blacklisted university either. I graduated from the LLB program and had no trouble getting interviews for the Big 5 or the Central Bank.
although I turned down the interviews when I got offered a job in the US working for an NGO.
I then got a scholarship to study an LLM in the UK and have currently been offered three funded PhDs (one in Ireland, two at Russell Group Universities) so I've never found an NUIG degree to be a problem. It doesn't have the same automatic status as TCD but if you're interested in NUIG and do well, you'll be fine.

iamanengine

Lockstep wrote: »

A degree from NUIG is mostly what you make of it. The corporate law interviews in Dublin that I went to were certainly dominated by TCD and UCD.
However, NUIG is not a blacklisted university either. I graduated from the LLB program and had no trouble getting interviews for the Big 5 or the Central Bank.
although I turned down the interviews when I got offered a job in the US working for an NGO.
I then got a scholarship to study an LLM in the UK and have currently been offered three funded PhDs (one in Ireland, two at Russell Group Universities) so I've never found an NUIG degree to be a problem. It doesn't have the same automatic status as TCD but if you're interested in NUIG and do well, you'll be fine.

Do you reckon a 1.1 is almost a must to get such offers?

The like of getting offered a job in the US would be a dream!

apriori

iamanengine wrote: »

Do you reckon a 1.1 is almost a must to get such offers?

The like of getting offered a job in the US would be a dream!

It depends on what you mean by working in the US. If you mean doing internships throughout your undergrad then you should check out the Washington Ireland programme (www.wip.ie). Look at the classes that have gone through. Off the top of my head I can think of a B.Corp, a BCL and a Legal Science student that have went through it in the past 4 years.

If you would like have your career in the US then that's complicated. The amount of Irish students sitting the NY Bar is high but I don't know anyone personally who has went on to practice. The other obstacle relates to the whole notion of "law school" in America is different from the European notion. As a result, you may have to look into an expensive LLM/JD in the States. You really have to attend a top 20 law school to secure a contract. You get the idea. Working in the US is not like it appears on Suits so don't be drawn to it so readily.

You should not look over the fact too that the top law firms here and in the UK have headquarters all over the US. You should try and get into one of them and work your way up to a transfer promotion.

apriori

Lockstep wrote: »

A degree from NUIG is mostly what you make of it. The corporate law interviews in Dublin that I went to were certainly dominated by TCD and UCD.
However, NUIG is not a blacklisted university either. I graduated from the LLB program and had no trouble getting interviews for the Big 5 or the Central Bank.
although I turned down the interviews when I got offered a job in the US working for an NGO.
I then got a scholarship to study an LLM in the UK and have currently been offered three funded PhDs (one in Ireland, two at Russell Group Universities) so I've never found an NUIG degree to be a problem. It doesn't have the same automatic status as TCD but if you're interested in NUIG and do well, you'll be fine.

You have an impressive CV sir! Overall I do not mean that the quality of the NUI Galway degree is bad, I just mean that a TCD is perceived better by the job market for the average student. You seem like you achieved well within the top 2% of your class by being offered all of those interviews. Whereas NUIG will have around 2% of law students invited to participate in such interviews, TCD will consistently have a higher % of students in the same position as you even though the amount of students in both courses is more or less the same.

Lockstep

Do you reckon a 1.1 is almost a must to get such offers?
The like of getting offered a job in the US would be a dream!

Definitely not a prerequisite but it certainly helps. I only ended up attending one interview and while they mentioned my grades a lot, they seemed more interested that I was especially interested in one area that they practised in. A friend of mine had a similar experience, given his obsession with Medical law.

The job I was offered in America was a paid summer job, working for an NGO. That said, organisations like the Washington Ireland Program are a huge help as you make a great amount of contacts which helps with the job search further down the line (the organisation I worked for did a lot of work with the WIP and they make some serious contacts)
An LLB or BCL from NUIG is enough to sit the New York Bar. As has been mentioned, it's a tough spot as many US law firms will want someone with American legal experience. However, you will have one advantage in that you won't have the heavy debt burden that US law grads will have so you can go for jobs that pay a lot less like NGOs or whatever.
I know one person who is currently practising law in the US after an Irish law degree so it can happen.
As Apriori has mentioned, many international firms have offices in Ireland and the UK so that's definitely a possibility.
One option would be to study in Ireland do a masters in the UK (most UK masters are currently cheaper than Irish ones), which will help with your employability.

SubCulchie

laoch na mona wrote: »

it trains you to be evil run away

Possibly..

But what of using your powers for good rather than evil; taking down corporate criminals who exploit developing world natural resources, workers and legislative loopholes, etc.? Wouldn't that be cool?

Lockstep

Yeah, it is certainly possible to use knowledge of corporate law for the public interest. The Irish Central Bank being one such example.

saltyjack silverblade

SubCulchie wrote: »

But what of using your powers for good rather than evil; taking down corporate criminals who exploit developing world natural resources, workers and legislative loopholes, etc.? Wouldn't that be cool?

Don't listen to this man. There is no point in having power unless you can be corrupted by it.

Snatchy

Good afternoon all,

Corp. law is a really good degree and Galway is a great place. Anyone who tells you that you'll learn more in UCD or Trinity or that the equivalent courses there are "better" is full of crap and don't really know what they're talking about - the one proviso being that you need to be prepared to work hard at it but that really goes for any degree.

By way of background, I did Corp. law (grad in 2008) and LLB (grad in 2009), trained in a big 5 firm in Dublin and now work in a US firm in London - I've just turned 26 and like I said, I grew up and was educated all the way in Galway. Never did an LLM. If I did it - any or all of you can as long as you work hard - Corp. law in Galway definitely gives you the opportunities you would want from a law degree - up to you to use those opportunities.

TheAlkaline

Thanks for reply but its a bit late now I end up in DIT doing Human Resource Management