New train numbers

Fred Swanson

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corktina

Fred Swanson

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flyingsnail

I can’t remember which one it was but it was part of some EU directive on interoperability for stock identification.

highlydebased

It's the European registration number for the vehicle (EVN I think it is)

Captain Chaos

It's the UIC numbering system.

The 2700s were the first units to start to carry them. The 2600s have had them for a few years and the 2800s are starting to get them since they all moved to Cork and had their gangways removed.

end of the road

Captain Chaos wrote: »

the 2800s are starting to get them since they all moved to Cork and had their gangways removed.

thought the 2800s were in limerick? when were they moved to cork and since when did they have their gangways removed? ridiculous removing their gangways IMO.

Captain Chaos

end of the road wrote: »

thought the 2800s were in limerick? when were they moved to cork and since when did they have their gangways removed? ridiculous removing their gangways IMO.

The last 2800s were moved of the Northern Commuter line last Summer and since then I thought there were based in Cork along with the 2600s. They had there gangways removed shortly after along with their repaints. There is still a few sets not painted and they still have their gangways but I don't know if they are locked off out of use.

I find it odd they took the gangways off the 2800s yet left the 2600s with theirs. When the 2700s were withdrawn they were in various states of not repainted with gangways to plated over gangways to new livery and no gangways.

dowlingm

I remember someone saying the gangways needed maintenance/replacement so IE chose to remove as cheaper. Maybe the 2600s had a previous refit and thus the manhours to remove/weld over is not yet justified.

end of the road

the removal of the gangways is ridiculous IMO, what will happen should the 29s be taken out for refurbishment? would mean only 22 ks could operate the commuter routes even though their not designed for those routes, its unfortunate that the commuter railcars couldn't be designed in such a way that the gangways could be atatched and took off when needed

TheBandicoot

end of the road wrote: »

would mean only 22 ks could operate the commuter routes even though their not designed for those routes

That's not a problem, there are 22ks operating commuter services all day everyday around Dublin. There's one that shuttles between M3 Parkway and Clonsilla every evening between 7 and midnight. There's a six piece operating to Maynooth and Drogheda at peak times. I got one today from Clonsilla to Docklands.

IE have no problem using 22ks for commuter runs, don't worry about that. They're good at off peak times, but as soon as people have to stand they are much much worse than a 29k.

choo choo man

All the 071 class loco's undergoing body overhaul have had the new ID numbers fitted.

metrovick001

Just in case they go missing on the DB system or SNCF decide that they like an 071! LOL

corktina

metrovick001 wrote: »

Just in case they go missing on the DB system or SNCF decide that they like an 071! LOL

eu directive.... metrovick001 is going to have to change his user name... :-)

metrovick001

LOL - yes - Metrovick 0000 0000 001-0-1:D

Victor

end of the road wrote: »

the removal of the gangways is ridiculous IMO, what will happen should the 29s be taken out for refurbishment?

You realise that here are something like 120 of them?

That said, a Berlin style fleet withdrawal would be problematic.

end of the road

Victor wrote: »

You realise that here are something like 120 of them?

theirs 29 train sets i believe

Victor wrote: »

That said, a Berlin style fleet withdrawal would be problematic.

true, in fairness realy my post should have said "what would happen if the 29s were taken out because of a fault" if they were taken out for refurbishment they wouldn't be out at the same time but if a fault was discovered meaning they had to be with-drawn their would be a problem.

AlekSmart

corktina wrote: »

eu directive.... metrovick001 is going to have to change his user name... :-)

The REALLY scary part of this type of shennanigans is the probability of a floor or building full of Bureaucrats all beavering away to ensure that we comply with this numbering directive.

Nobody has most likely enquired if the effort is actually going to produce a tangible result,or if a result is even required...once we are seen to comply.

Membership of the EEC/EU has brought great benefit to Ireland,but that should not prevent us from pondering aloud at the downsides of an often byzantine administration

Victor

While it is rare, there is the potential for Irish stock to go elsewhere and vice versa.

Irish Rail are looking to off-load some stock and the 'Gatwick' set was converted from standard gauge to Irish gauge for NIR.

end of the road

Victor wrote: »

While it is rare, there is the potential for Irish stock to go elsewhere and vice versa.

Irish Rail are looking to off-load some stock and the 'Gatwick' set was converted from standard gauge to Irish gauge for NIR.

true, however to the best of my knowledge the gatwick set is idel these days and has been for some time, the likelyhood of it being used again is probably very small, but maybe someone else who is in the know can confirm its state for certain. the only stock that could be sold is the 2700s but i can't see anyone buying them to be honest (they haven't had the best record i believe but had settled down and were working well before storage, again someone in the know can confirm) the 8200 dart units will be scrapped most likely, the stored 201s will be needed eventually once the 071 class and nir's 111 class are retired

flyingsnail

Victor wrote: »

While it is rare, there is the potential for Irish stock to go elsewhere and vice versa.

Don't forget that state coach 351 did make it as far as Utrecht in 2010

gobnaitolunacy

flyingsnail wrote: »

Don't forget that state coach 351 did make it as far as Utrecht in 2010

As if the RPSI are going to slap Euro numbering on it

etchyed

AlekSmart wrote: »

The REALLY scary part of this type of shennanigans is the probability of a floor or building full of Bureaucrats all beavering away to ensure that we comply with this numbering directive.

Alek, I actually had to read this post three times before I could believe you'd written it. It's like you've parodied yourself. This really is the most idiotic post I've read from you, and that's saying something. The "probability", indeed! On what basis do you assume that there is a floor full of people overseeing this change? Slotting IR's rolling stock numbers into the predefined UIC format would have taken an Excel spreadsheet and half an hour of someone's time

Please don't try to tell me you were speaking metaphorically, because (a) you clearly weren't, and (b) even if you were, you do it so much that you're starting to believe your own BS, building up a warped and distorted picture of how the world works and basing vociferously held opinions on it.

The Thanks under your post would seem to indicate that there are other people in the world who share, or are influenced by, this nonsensical perception. Sometimes I really do think that democracy is a terrible idea.

Captain Chaos

etchyed wrote: »

Slotting IR's rolling stock numbers into the predefined UIC format would have taken an Excel spreadsheet and half an hour of someone's time

In theory that's how it should work but years of working in the private and public sector, I know very well how the public sector works. You couldn't make half of it up.

In the UIC system, only the first 4 digits are pre defined (rolling stock type and country code) , after that IE are free to make up the number system as they see fit with a check number at the end.

We know that the 201's UIC numbers will start at 92 60 and after that IE make up the rest with the 2xx shoved in there and the check number at the end.

Jamie2k9

It may of being covered before but whats the story with the white numbers on ICR sets 47-63, a load of white numbers but then example 22X47 covers over some of them. Is it to do with the EU ID thing?

Captain Chaos

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

It may of being covered before but whats the story with the white numbers on ICR sets 47-63, a load of white numbers but then example 22X47 covers over some of them. Is it to do with the EU ID thing?

Yep, same UIC thing. Everything will have it. The 2600s were the first units to get them about 2 years ago. They have the 26xx part in a larger font and the rest smaller though.

davidlacey

have any 201s got the new UIC number on them considering at least one set of the cork intercity got the new loco installed..

goingnowhere

An 071 has the full number. When a 201 is painted it will get the numbers

DART will not get the numbers as they cannot travel cross border

Captain Chaos

goingnowhere wrote: »

An 071 has the full number. When a 201 is painted it will get the numbers

DART will not get the numbers as they cannot travel cross border

DARTs will get them. It's nothing to do with cross boarder operation or even a EU thing. It's the 70+ member countries that are now in the UIC system. Only the US are not part of it.