Back Door Milk Quota

B25

Anyone know any more on the proposed new levy on higher milk production "during a crisis" as mentioned on this weeks Farmer's Journal. This is the first time I have every heard of it.

SKIPPY150

No like you the first I heard about it was when I saw the journal. Dont like the sound of it at all, apprehensively waiting to hear more like youreself

Farmer Ed

SKIPPY150 wrote: »

No like you the first I heard about it was when I saw the journal. Dont like the sound of it at all, apprehensively waiting to hear more like youreself

Wont we be the right fools in Dairygold having borrowed €250m for God knows what? Only to be told that quotas are not really gone and we have to pay a levy on the new milk!!

freedominacup

B25 wrote: »

Anyone know any more on the proposed new levy on higher milk production "during a crisis" as mentioned on this weeks Farmer's Journal. This is the first time I have every heard of it.

That story is in the wind for the past few months. It looked to me when I read about it first that it was a sop to the French. If you cut production by X% compared to the previous year and if milk price had fallen by Y% compared to a previous year there was some form of production support available. I didn't think it was a levy but I don't get the comic much so I didn't see the article.

delaval

I was concerned to read this also. Did a bit of checking seems it's a French MEP doing what they all do, anything to get votes!

The Germans are in favour of quota abolision, as they are the paymasters I wouldn't be too worried

B25

It is still a worry. We wouldn't want to sign Dairygold Contracts before this is clarified. Otherwise, the farmer will be the one squeezed in the middle and have to pay both Dairygold and the levy.

Farmer Ed

B25 wrote: »

It is still a worry. We wouldn't want to sign Dairygold Contracts before this is clarified. Otherwise, the farmer will be the one squeezed in the middle and have to pay both Dairygold and the levy.

Couldn't agree more. And to be fair that is all the first motion for the SGM is asking for. ie. Just please go back to the drawing board,count to ten and make bloody well sure everything is in order and properly thought out before we go off on a mad spending spree! This latest EU move is just another example of how badly thought and premature the current Dairygold plans are. Plus we don't even have planning in Mallow yet!!
What is being asked for in the first motion for the SGM is more than fair and reasonable. Yet the people asking for this are being looked upon as some kind of traitours. It's just crazy people are not allowed to openly speak their minds and ask questions without been seen as Traitours. It's like living in China!!

B25

Any idea when this SGM is going to take place, if at all?

Farmer Ed

B25 wrote: »

Any idea when this SGM is going to take place, if at all?

April 11th on the same day as the AGM. Would expect they will try and have the vote around milking time. Reports are their not very happy bunnies. Called a meeting of the 175 last week and told them to go out and get 10 members each to try and defeat the motions. Had 3 do gooders at the door on the way out trying to get members to sigin a petition supporting managment. Not everyone signed and by all accounts it didn't go down very well.

B25

They are really putting on the pressure to sign. I wonder are they getting a bonus for each signature they get. It would not surprise me. Probably worth €100 a signature?? in their pay.

Farmer Ed

B25 wrote: »

They are really putting on the pressure to sign. I wonder are they getting a bonus for each signature they get. It would not surprise me. Probably worth €100 a signature?? in their pay.

I heard that story too. Their coming in to farmers yards now with the contract and trying to get people to sign. One farmer I know was told just last week. ("scrible your name down there sur tis a thing of nothing and sur twill be between ourselves and no one need ever find out") So much for the need for forcasting!!! More farmers are afraid not to sign because they owe them money after last years bad weather. Some farmers I've spoken to are afraid if they dont tow the line something might go wrong with their milk test. So much for there being a Co-Op sprit!!! Crazy stuff!!!

Farmer Ed

Please open this link. A good few priceless nuggets in there but you might like to read the last line of the CEO's review. We are hearing the same spin now and why wouldn't we? Their still using the same firm of spin Doctors. http://www.reoxholdings.ie/images/REOX%20Annual%20Report%202007.pdf

cosatron

arrabawn have sent out there post quato plan and it sucks balls. you have to have 2.5 cent/l in shares with them, if your output increases you have to increase your shares. by the 31 of october you have to forcast your milk yield for the following year, if you don't fullfill 85% of your forcasted yield, you will be penalised 1 cent/l for every liter your under. in may and june you can only sent 15% of your forcasted yeild, if over that you again will be penallised. are farmers getting this type of offer of other co-ops. also if changing co-op you have to let them now a year in advance.

Farmer Ed

cosatron wrote: »

arrabawn have sent out there post quato plan and it sucks balls. you have to have 2.5 cent/l in shares with them, if your output increases you have to increase your shares. by the 31 of october you have to forcast your milk yield for the following year, if you don't fullfill 85% of your forcasted yield, you will be penalised 1 cent/l for every liter your under. in may and june you can only sent 15% of your forcasted yeild, if over that you again will be penallised. are farmers getting this type of offer of other co-ops. also if changing co-op you have to let them now a year in advance.

In Dairygold it's much worse than that! But we are trying to get things changed by calling an SGM. Maybe you guys should think about doing the same thing and nip this thing in the bud.

Seems like your boys are spending too much time hanging around the ICOS. Now that is one quango if there was ever one! What is it they do again? God only knows? I know someone who served on the board of ICOS and he admits openly it's a pure wase of farmers time and money!!! But it seems to be the fountain of knowledge they are all drinking from at the moment!!!

freedominacup

cosatron wrote: »

arrabawn have sent out there post quato plan and it sucks balls. you have to have 2.5 cent/l in shares with them, if your output increases you have to increase your shares. by the 31 of october you have to forcast your milk yield for the following year, if you don't fullfill 85% of your forcasted yield, you will be penalised 1 cent/l for every liter your under. in may and june you can only sent 15% of your forcasted yeild, if over that you again will be penallised. are farmers getting this type of offer of other co-ops. also if changing co-op you have to let them now a year in advance.

Time for a test case on the gentlemans agreement I think

mahoney_j

cosatron wrote: »

arrabawn have sent out there post quato plan and it sucks balls. you have to have 2.5 cent/l in shares with them, if your output increases you have to increase your shares. by the 31 of october you have to forcast your milk yield for the following year, if you don't fullfill 85% of your forcasted yield, you will be penalised 1 cent/l for every liter your under. in may and june you can only sent 15% of your forcasted yeild, if over that you again will be penallised. are farmers getting this type of offer of other co-ops. also if changing co-op you have to let them now a year in advance.

Im an arrabawm supplier who took over from the da 3 years ago and hence have only about 900 shres and a 420000 odd litre quota so its going to cost me a lot of money to get to the share requirement.Its really going to cost me on the double as ive bought nearly 100000 litres since i started so this has me fairly browned off.Dont have any issue with forecasting what ill be supplying next year by end of october,This should be easily done by any dairy farmer.Hope to hell arrabawn is going to be leading player in its milk price over the next few years instead of our usual division 3 and 4 status and been the first to drop milk price when pressure comes on.

delaval

At least in Glanbia we know where we are going. It's bloody unfortunate now have to have a row about board members.

It's funny that we all feel our dairys pay the worst price and are the first to drop and last to rise it.

whelan1

delaval wrote: »

At least in Glanbia we know where we are going. It's bloody unfortunate now have to have a row about board members.

It's funny that we all feel our dairys pay the worst price and are the first to drop and last to rise it.

nice to get a surprise cheque from them today, badly needed:D

Farmer Ed

freedominacup wrote: »

Time for a test case on the gentlemans agreement I think

Well overdue I would say! Of course. Jim Woulfe has said he has never even heard of such a thing as a gentlemans agreement. Heard him say it myself and also saw him quoted on the Journal as saying it. And as Jim is a very nice man and we can all trust him. Then I guess we must be all suffering from our imagination. Plus if Jim did happen to be wrong (crazy of course cos he always tells the truth!!!) Then the Co-Ops could be facing a big bill for damages from farmers who have not been allowed change Co-Ops
57 Dairygold farmers were not allowed move to North Cork Co-OP just in the last week.

cosatron

mahoney_j wrote: »

Im an arrabawm supplier who took over from the da 3 years ago and hence have only about 900 shres and a 420000 odd litre quota so its going to cost me a lot of money to get to the share requirement.Its really going to cost me on the double as ive bought nearly 100000 litres since i started so this has me fairly browned off.Dont have any issue with forecasting what ill be supplying next year by end of october,This should be easily done by any dairy farmer.Hope to hell arrabawn is going to be leading player in its milk price over the next few years instead of our usual division 3 and 4 status and been the first to drop milk price when pressure comes on.

You can enter into an agreement with arrabawn with regards to your shares, by 2016 you have to a minimum share requirement so you can build up to it by agreeing to give arrabawn 0.7 cent/l to them

farmertipp

B25 wrote: »

They are really putting on the pressure to sign. I wonder are they getting a bonus for each signature they get. It would not surprise me. Probably worth €100 a signature?? in their pay.

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farmertipp

Farmer Ed wrote: »

April 11th on the same day as the AGM. Would expect they will try and have the vote around milking time. Reports are their not very happy bunnies. Called a meeting of the 175 last week and told them to go out and get 10 members each to try and defeat the motions. Had 3 do gooders at the door on the way out trying to get members to sigin a petition supporting managment. Not everyone signed and by all accounts it didn't go down very well.

Only 3 or 4 would not sign. That shoukd tell you enough..tomorrow will prove the point