Ruby on Rails

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Can I ask does anyone know what colleges in Ireland or Northern Ireland are actually producing Ruby on Rails graduates.

I am looking to hire but I can't find any suitable graduates. I am mostly getting people from conversion courses rather than 4 years graduates etc.

I have emailed career service but they do not seem to have any information.

Many thanks for the help.

counterpointaud

Check out WIT, I think B.Sc. in Software Systems Development might use Ruby on Rails for fourth year projects. I doubt there is anywhere using RoR for the duration of the course.

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counterpointaud wrote: »

Check out WIT, I think B.Sc. in Software Systems Development might use Ruby on Rails for fourth year projects. I doubt there is anywhere using RoR for the duration of the course.

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lemon_remon

Does someone really need to learn about Ruby on Rails in their degree, because that's a bit ridiculous? Why don't you actually look for a talented developer, perhaps one familiar with REST rather than trying to find someone who's pigeonholed themselves with learning RoR so early in their career?

IS_a_Class

Why not interview the students from conversion courses whose cv's look decent?

Is it that you resent someone learning skills in one year what took you four?

RedXIV

Yeah we did Ruby on Rails in college for about 6 months but I'd be very surprised if you find a course dedicated to it. If its critical that its Ruby on Rails, maybe you'd be better off picking up someone who's been in the industry for a year or two in a Ruby environment?

lemon_remon

IS_a_Class wrote: »

Is it that you resent someone learning skills in one year what took you four?

I can't speak for other degrees but as for computer science, it's a struggle to cover anything substantial in four years, let alone a year. Disagreeing with this just makes you seem ignorant about the field.

ChRoMe

Dynamic interpreted languages have only a niche validity to CS or similar at university level.

IS_a_Class

lemon_remon wrote: »

I can't speak for other degrees but as for computer science, it's a struggle to cover anything substantial in four years, let alone a year. Disagreeing with this just makes you seem ignorant about the field.

A struggle for some people alright.

amen

it's a struggle to cover anything substantial in four years, let alone a year

what happens if they came from a Maths/Physics/Engineering back ground where they have already had exposure to a high level of Computer Science/Programming?

Can I ask does anyone know what colleges in Ireland or Northern Ireland are actually producing Ruby on Rails graduates

Waste of time. You want a good graduate who has completed a good 4th year project and has a good understanding of computer technologies and the web.

A decent grad will pick up Ruby fairly quickly.

If you go with a Ruby specialist what will you do in 2 years time when you need someone who understands Java, C# etc?

lemon_remon

IS_a_Class wrote: »

A struggle for some people alright.

Oh lord, I suppose you breezed through the Art of Computer Programming and have already dropped your CV into Bill.

In a conversion course you learn basic programming, a programming paradigm (i.e the flavor of the month OO) and some simple technologies. But I suppose you breezed through this and learned about hashing algorithms, B-Trees, cryptography, A.I and NP-completeness in your "crash" one year course. Of course you know about compilers and language theory... I have nothing against people who do a one year conversion course but don't kid yourself into thinking you covered what a true CS degree does.

amen wrote: »

what happens if they came from a Maths/Physics/Engineering back ground where they have already had exposure to a high level of Computer Science/Programming?

The maths students I know have no knowledge of CS concepts. Basic programming maybe, but children can literally pick this up (see Coder Dojo). Unless they've learned it in their own time, outside the course, which isn't a perquisite for most conversion courses, they're not going to have any knowledge of "real" CS topics. My respect to someone who has learned the above topics outside of a CS course, what they are doing bothering to do a conversion course though is beyond me.

IS_a_Class

lemon_remon wrote: »

what they are doing bothering to do a conversion course though is beyond me.

Some sort of IT related University stamped paper is requirement for getting past initial CV screening by most recruiters, HR or hiring managers

IS_a_Class

lemon_remon wrote: »

you breezed through this and learned about hashing algorithms, B-Trees, cryptography, A.I and NP-completeness...

The problem with four year courses is that you'll have forgotten most of that by the time you graduate.

A conversion graduate is also likely to be more motivated to learn knowledge and skills not taught on their course, to go into their course having done a ton of preparation, and to continue improving their programming once they finish their course.

80% of what you learn on a four year course would not come in handy using Ruby in practice anyhow.

Colonel Panic

IS_a_Class wrote: »

80% of what you learn on a four year course would not come in handy using Ruby in practice anyhow.

This is false.

lemon_remon

IS_a_Class wrote: »

The problem with four year courses is that you'll have forgotten most of that by the time you graduate.

Nope. Those topics are to do with understanding. After learning what they are and truly understanding them, a quick reference is enough to refresh you.

IS_a_Class wrote: »

A conversion graduate is also likely to be more motivated to learn knowledge and skills not taught on their course, to go into their course having done a ton of preparation, and to continue improving their programming once they finish their course.

80% of what you learn on a four year course would not come in handy using Ruby in practice anyhow.

:rolleyes:

100% of the points you just gave are made up on the spot. That "80%" is what makes the difference between a code monkey whose job could be outsourced to India and someone who's of true value.

IS_a_Class

Colonel Panic wrote: »

This is false.

So you think more along the lines of 85%?

IS_a_Class

Gotta disagree here, the effort that would go into relearning this stuff requires much more than a quick reference, plus most 4 year students never truly understood them anyway, as they spent their time drinking dutch gold and wondering why the beautiful people studying arts and commerce wouldnt go out with them.

conor.hogan.2

lemon_remon wrote: »

In a conversion course you learn basic programming, a programming paradigm (i.e the flavor of the month OO) and some simple technologies. But I suppose you breezed through this and learned about hashing algorithms, B-Trees, cryptography, A.I and NP-completeness in your "crash" one year course. Of course you know about compilers and language theory... I have nothing against people who do a one year conversion course but don't kid yourself into thinking you covered what a true CS degree does.

Actually we did a lot of the same courses that UCD undergrads did, and with no cheating involved (they were actually called up on it twice and the help centre had to suddenly enforce a "no homework" policy too)

Also there is no compiler "course" in most CS undergrads? (I am nearly certain UCD does not have one anyway)

rainbow kirby

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Also there is no compiler "course" in most CS undergrads? (I am nearly certain UCD does not have one anyway)

There wasn't one when I was in UCD (graduated 4 years ago), but they do one in third year now.