Stableford Matchplay

pcasso

Does anyone else play it?
Basically, it is not stokes played but the stable ford score on every hole which determines whether the hole is won drawn or halved.
So if neither player have a shot on a hole a double bogey won't beat a triple bogey. Instead the hole is halved.
What do people think?
I play it sometimes with a few mates but I doubt if it is an official game format.
I don't even know if anyone else plays it.

Rikand

Play it on a Sunday morning in a fourball with my mates for a 5'er, but apart from that, no

markie4

Basically no, don't think many people would play it, especially if they understood the implications.
It would mean that in a match between say a 5 and a 10 h'cap, the 10 h'cap has his 5 shots on indexes 6-10, rather than 1-5, so you're just complicating things unnessarily and I would think handing a big advantage to the high handicapper.

16 vs 18 h'cap: 16h'cap would be giving up shots on the 2 "easiest" holes, not the 2 hardest holes? Seems a strange way to do it...........

pcasso

markie4 wrote: »

Basically no, don't think many people would play it, especially if they understood the implications.
It would mean that in a match between say a 5 and a 10 h'cap, the 10 h'cap has his 5 shots on indexes 6-10, rather than 1-5, so you're just complicating things unnessarily and I would think handing a big advantage to the high handicapper.

16 vs 18 h'cap: 16h'cap would be giving up shots on the 2 "easiest" holes, not the 2 hardest holes? Seems a strange way to do it...........

The opposite could be argued equally as well.
A five handicapper isn't normally expected to par the index one, the hardest on the course.
Both five and ten handicapper are allowed to bogey it as per their handicap.
The only time the higher handicapper has a shot advantage is on the holes which he is not "expected" to par while his opponent is.

GreeBo

markie4 wrote: »

Basically no, don't think many people would play it, especially if they understood the implications.
It would mean that in a match between say a 5 and a 10 h'cap, the 10 h'cap has his 5 shots on indexes 6-10, rather than 1-5, so you're just complicating things unnessarily and I would think handing a big advantage to the high handicapper.

16 vs 18 h'cap: 16h'cap would be giving up shots on the 2 "easiest" holes, not the 2 hardest holes? Seems a strange way to do it...........

Why wouldnt you still just play the way a normal match works?
Low guy goes to scratch, then the other guy has the difference.
So in your example, shots on index 1-5?
I dont see this as an implication of the format at all tbh...

markie4

GreeBo wrote: »

Why wouldnt you still just play the way a normal match works?
Low guy goes to scratch, then the other guy has the difference.
So in your example, shots on index 1-5?
I dont see this as an implication of the format at all tbh...

That was my point, even if i explained it poorly, you wouldn't play it as a normal hcap matchplay

the low guy doesn't go to scratch (it's played as stableford so 5 hcap gets shots at 1-5 and 10 hcap gets shots at 1-10), so the point is that in this "stableford matchplay" the low man doesn't give the shots at index 1-5, but gives shots at index 6-10, complicating things unnecessarily.

GreeBo

markie4 wrote: »

That was my point, even if i explained it poorly, you wouldn't play it as a normal hcap matchplay

the low guy doesn't go to scratch (it's played as stableford so 5 hcap gets shots at 1-5 and 10 hcap gets shots at 1-10), so the point is that in this "stableford matchplay" the low man doesn't give the shots at index 1-5, but gives shots at index 6-10, complicating things unnecessarily.

And my question is *why* wouldnt you play it as a normal hcap matchplay?
You can still score it against stableford, but use the normal matchplay rules for handicap purposes.
The fact that its stableford doesnt change how you work out the handicaps...?

markie4

Greebo, (bizarrely) I think we're ultimately making the same point, despite your apparently confrontational tone. The point is that it's a different format to standard matchplay, so strokes aren't applied normally, hence my (apparently) stupid example about strokes being given for a 5 vs 10 hcap match on indexes 6-10, instead of what would be expected i.e. indexes 1-5 in a normal handicap matchplay.

As ridiculous as it may seem (to you) the point of the match is to play stableford points for each hole, and then work out who has won each hole based on the points achieved. If there's a disconnect between understanding that this will reflect where different players receive shots, then that's obviously a minus on the system.

I think it's a crap system but some people may like it and that's fine with me, but it's enough of my time on a thread where I either can't explain myself well enough or you're obtusely refusing to understand the OP (and my explanation of why I don't think it's a great format)

GreeBo

apologies if you think in being confrontational, certainly not my intention...
however i still don't see why you wouldn't follow normal matchplay rules for deciding handicaps before you look at scoring for each hole?
maybe I'm missing something but you seem to be choosing to take the shots on"weird" holes.

i guess my question is why would/could you not determine handicaps as normal and then play the match against stableford? you can still play stableford for each hole, one guy just plays off scratch?


/edit
you say it's "different than standard stableford matchplay" but, from what i can see, only you have decided that, the op doesn't mention it anywhere?
so the biggest negative you see is one that, my opinion, you have made up yourself...?

gokster

Actually do this quite a lot when I play with my better half...(shes a good player...would be getting 4 from her!!).

This compensates for sometime different pars and indices on the ladies card so we play matchplay based on stableford score at each hole so if a long par 4 is a par 5 for the ladies then but she may not have a shot at it and I have a pair of 5's would be a fair half...