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How valuable is life?

  • 14-03-2013 2:35am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭


    You often hear people say 'well, if it saves one life then it's worth it' when vast sums of money have been spent on something.

    Also, wouldn't the life of a Mother/Father of 5 kids be worth more than the life of a person with no kids?

    What do you think? What value life?

    Can a value be put on life? 74 votes

    Life is priceless.
    0% 0 votes
    Life has a value depending on the particular life. (Explain on thread)
    55% 41 votes
    Life is worthless.
    29% 22 votes
    Aboutreefiddy.
    14% 11 votes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,561 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    with 7bn odd people on the planet; cheap, really really cheap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    'bout 3 fiddy.

    you always hear that though, he had a child / a wife who are mourning his death and we are given the impression we are expendable singletons :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    The average human is worth about £400,000-£500,000. The flesh is worth about £100. In Moldova two women were arrested for selling human flesh charging £1.30 a kilo. The skin is worth £20 if you charged the same as cowhide. The transplantable organs are the most expensive. The corneas would be worth £4,000; the heart is £40,000; a kidney is worth between £10,000-£20,000; and the lungs are £75,000. There are also the chemical components. There are 10 gallons of water which is not worth much, enough carbon for a sack of coal, enough bone for a packet of bone meal fertiliser, quantities of salt, enough iron for a few nails, and 0.4 milligrams of gold worth about 8p.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    with 7bn odd people on the planet; cheap, really really cheap.

    They're all someone's daughter. They're all someone's son.
    The average human is worth about £400,000-£500,000. The flesh is worth about £100. In Moldova two women were arrested for selling human flesh charging £1.30 a kilo. The skin is worth £20 if you charged the same as cowhide. The transplantable organs are the most expensive. The corneas would be worth £4,000; the heart is £40,000; a kidney is worth between £10,000-£20,000; and the lungs are £75,000. There are also the chemical components. There are 10 gallons of water which is not worth much, enough carbon for a sack of coal, enough bone for a packet of bone meal fertiliser, quantities of salt, enough iron for a few nails, and 0.4 milligrams of gold worth about 8p.

    That's a dead hooman though?

    Like, if someone said 'I'll give you a million spuds for your Mum/Dad/Bro/Sis/Friend' I'd say 'fuck off smelly'. There would be no price I'd accept.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    Also, wouldn't the life of a Mother/Father of 5 kids be worth more than the life of a person with no kids?
    You could argue the opposite of that too though and say that a person without kids' life is more valuable as their legacy hasn't been sorted yet...or something to that effect.

    Either way, I dunno. Purple monkey dishwasher.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Purple monkey dishwasher.

    Agreed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭.Henry Sellers.


    I wouldn't say it's priceless, It's a good film. "you gon eat dat corn bread"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    They're all someone's daughter. They're all someone's son.



    That's a dead hooman though?

    Like, if someone said 'I'll give you a million spuds for your Mum/Dad/Bro/Sis/Friend' I'd say 'fuck off smelly'. There would be no price I'd accept.

    I suppose the price I set is the standard minimum "book value" for a human in good working order.
    Optional extras such as opportunity to lease for use as a worker/sex slave would come at a premium.
    Sentimental value would come into it too. In the same way that your home may be worth €200k but if I offered that you wouldn't consider it, thereby raising the actual value (assuming it to be unique).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    It's the most valuable thing you'll ever possess. No life, no nothing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭WumBuster


    very subjective question, op. I think we value our own life and those close to us much more than we do strangers, thats for sure. Then again we do things and make decisions that arent good for us all the time which makes you wonder if deep down, does anyone really care all that much? We all know we are going to die anyway someday so in many ways it feels like a kind of holiday or trip that we (or at least me personally) just keep riding along indifferently and then just ''see what happens''..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    You can't even skin humans in red dead redemption to get and sell their pelts so they must be worthless in real life too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I suppose the price I set is the standard minimum "book value" for a human in good working order.

    How about a bright and healthy five year old child?

    How much is her/his life worth Mr Slave-driver/Butcherman? :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    I'd say 'fuck off smelly'.
    Even if they weren't smelly?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Even if they weren't smelly?

    Yes. I lack imagination with the insults.





    Fatty.






    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    You often hear people say 'well, if it saves one life then it's worth it' when vast sums of money have been spent on something.

    Also, wouldn't the life of a Mother/Father of 5 kids be worth more than the life of a person with no kids?

    What do you think? What value life?
    The average human life is worth very little, obviously though you value your own friends or family more then some random person from say India.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    It's the most valuable thing you'll ever possess. No life, no nothing.

    Life depends on who you are and what you do, take one example a man has many health issues, mental, physical, some more obvious than others, he can either lay in bed or stay at home and waste his life away or he can fight for a chance to live.

    Woo hoo 2000th post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Life depends on who you are and what you do, take one example a man has many health issues,

    Stephen Hawking would probably have been quantified as a lesser value life than that a healthy aryan child if his genes had been valued by an assessor.

    Ain't nobody got time for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    Fatty.

    I'm not fat, I'm festively plump.

    But I suppose fat people's lives would be worth more if they were valued by the pound. Now that's food for thought. Mmmm, fooood.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    The more we're there for others, the more we will be missed and thus the more valuable we were. That's the only true evaluation, surely and I'm not worth much right now sure jaysus only my mother would miss me :/ and that's just some maternal bond-thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    The more people (that) depend on us, the more of value we are.

    that's the sobering catch-all phrase I was looking for be it monetarily, physically, emotionally or just for da craic


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Stephen Hawking would probably have been quantified as a lesser value life than that a healthy aryan child if his genes had been valued by an assessor.

    Ain't nobody got time for that.

    I have only one answer to this, who knows what tomorrow may bring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I have only one answer to this, who knows what tomorrow may bring.

    And I have a very simple answer.

    Nobody.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    stop paying your bills & you'll soon see how valuable & important your money is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    the same as all the bugs you squash and kill, same same


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    ..priceless.

    as in just hilarious? Defies the means


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    When I have made my decision you will see the corresponding coloured smoke belching from this thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    How about a bright and healthy five year old child?

    How much is her/his life worth Mr Slave-driver/Butcherman? :mad:
    it depends if you're selling into the sex trade, or for adoption, they'd be kinda past it for adoption, but...

    Banned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Fixer Upper


    It would depend on the country.... You would think that in Ireland it would cost more than a third world country for instance....
    But as with any commodity, the laws of supply and demand would have to have a strong influence.... So since the recession- probably cheaper ... But we have also had the house meat scandal and that could go either way....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Depends on the life but like Doug Stanhope says, abortion is definitely underrated.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    I wouldn't say it's priceless, It's a good film. "you gon eat dat corn bread"

    You can't have my mother****in corn bread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭FatherLen


    'fuck off smelly'

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭9959


    Regarding the unquantifiable value of life and the inherent profundity of existence, the Austrian band 'Opus' nailed it in the mid-eighties with their anthemic singalong 'Life Is Life', to wit:

    "Life is life when we all feel the power
    Life is life come on stand up and dance
    Life is life when the feeling of the people
    Life is life is the feeling of the band


    Superb.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Roughly €40-50k per year of life expectancy left if you are in a public hospital.

    Of course no one says this.

    Other rough cost is €1 million , if you are planning on road safety redesigns.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Also, wouldn't the life of a Mother/Father of 5 kids be worth more than the life of a person with no kids?
    From a environmental point of view the worst thing you can do is increase the population.

    It also makes everyone poorer as the accumulated wealth of humamity has to be spread further. Back in the middle ages those who survived the black death were richer. Mainly because of the stuff they inherited or because the labour shortage meant wages went up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    I think all life starts off equally valuable, it's what you do with yours to make it more or less so that dictates its value in later life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    I'm worth about 5 Paris Hilton's, so not much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    And I have a very simple answer.

    Nobody.

    I guess that means that you don't have any tips for the Gold Cup tomorrow then? :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    9959 wrote: »
    Superb.

    I concur.

    Let's not forget the words of the High King Celtic Philosopher Bard.
    Life is a roller-coaster...

    .. just gotta ride it.

    Beautiful.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I guess that means that you don't have any tips for the Gold Cup tomorrow then? :p

    My tip would be to keep yer money in yer pocket. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    You often hear people say 'well, if it saves one life then it's worth it' when vast sums of money have been spent on something.

    Also, wouldn't the life of a Mother/Father of 5 kids be worth more than the life of a person with no kids?

    What do you think? What value life?

    This reminds me of the scene in The Dark Knight where the Joker rigged two boats with explosives. One boat has ordinary law-abiding citizens. The other is filled with criminals. He has given each boat the detonator to the other boat's bomb. He tells them that he will blow both boats up in one hour unless one boat blows the other boat up first. Who is more valuable?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    Who is more valuable?

    Depends what the criminals did I suppose. Lots of behaviour and lifestyle choices shouldn't even be crimes (you'd have been locked up for having a same sex relationship not so long ago).

    Also, there are plenty of LAC's who are reprehensible scum. Obeying the law doesn't equate virtue.

    It's a difficult question to answer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Life is worthless, your life is worthless, my life is worthless, those closest you you life is worthless. Anyone could die tomorrow, hit by a bus, cancer, heart attack, and it won't make any difference in the grand scheme of things.

    Some people will be sad for a while, but they'll get over it. Every single person is expendable, from age 0-100.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    If someone were to offer me €500,000 for Enda Kenny's organs I'd say 'Why of course, help yourself!'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    very


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭razorgil


    I'm not fat, I'm festively plump.



    ha, ha, hadn't heard that before, will be used again, ta!!

    and in relation to life and the value thereof, i think €20,000 is the going rate for a "hit" nowadays, so there you are.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭I Luv Crysis


    Banned


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Dwork


    It depends on the life. Some are cheap, some are dear. What's the states value on a taxpayer?(they have one btw - How much a worker will contribute to the state in their working lifetime). We need an insurance assessor to stick a pounds, shillings and pence value on this. My bet is somwhere around 400k. For one of Joe Higgins' "workers". And the going rate for a hit is anywhere from 0 to 10k. 0 being "do it and we're quits" and 10k being a home grown "pro". A fly in,pop,fly out is more, apparently, somwhere around 25-35k. I blame ryanair. Flying is just so cheap.


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