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The links between Irish Nationalism and Zionsim.

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    R.Dub.Fusilier
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    Tom Barry was asked to train Irgun fighters who were fighting the British and he refused on the grounds that the Irgun were not fighing a legitimate war.


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    brennan1979
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    R.Dub.Fusilier wrote: »
    Tom Barry was asked to train Irgun fighters who were fighting the British and he refused on the grounds that the Irgun were not fighing a legitimate war.

    It's an interesting topic. If you listen to Beatty's interview you can hear how Republicans attitudes to Zionism have evolved over the years. One of the major interests was partition of Palestine and how they tried to understand it through an Irish context.


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    gobnaitolunacy
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    Anything on the nutjobs who went digging up the Hill Of Tara looking for the Ark Of The Covenant?
    And it wasn't Indy.


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    ejmaztec
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    Interesting article here about the ex Black and Tans in Palestine, including mention of a "colourful":( character (Douglas V Duff) allegedly responsible for "duffed up" finding its way into the English language.

    http://www.jerusalemquarterly.org/ViewArticle.aspx?id=305


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    Snickers Man
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    Really interesting article on link found on OP. Will listen to Podcast when I get a chance.

    Interesting that a leading member of the Irgun should quote George Bernard Shaw at his British judges when he was being sent down in the 1940s.

    Apparently the following is (or was, my source is more than 20 years old) printed on a plaque on a wall at the famous Palestinian University Bir Zeit in Ramallah.

    "If you break a nation's nationality it will think of nothing else but getting it set again. It will listen to no reformer, to no philosopher, to no preacher, until the demand of the nationalist is granted. It will attend to no business, however vital, except the business of unification and liberation."

    George Bernard Shaw. John Bull's Other Island


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    crockholm
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    I think it was Yitzhak Shamir who used the nom de guerre "Michael Collins" as an hommage.


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    brennan1979
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    Snickers Man wrote: »
    Really interesting article on link found on OP. Will listen to Podcast when I get a chance.

    Interesting that a leading member of the Irgun should quote George Bernard Shaw at his British judges when he was being sent down in the 1940s.

    Apparently the following is (or was, my source is more than 20 years old) printed on a plaque on a wall at the famous Palestinian University Bir Zeit in Ramallah.

    "If you break a nation's nationality it will think of nothing else but getting it set again. It will listen to no reformer, to no philosopher, to no preacher, until the demand of the nationalist is granted. It will attend to no business, however vital, except the business of unification and liberation."

    George Bernard Shaw. John Bull's Other Island

    http://www.theirishstory.com/2013/01/23/a-long-and-oddly-intertwined-history-irish-nationalism-and-zionism/#.UUCRcVdSSSo

    Here is the link to Aidan Beatty's article in the Irish Story website.


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    brennan1979
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    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    Anything on the nutjobs who went digging up the Hill Of Tara looking for the Ark Of The Covenant?
    And it wasn't Indy.

    That's one I haven't heard before :)


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    gobnaitolunacy
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    brennan1979 wrote: »
    That's one I haven't heard before :)

    During the turn of the 20th century the Hill of Tara was excavated by British Israelists who thought that the Irish were part of the Lost Tribes of Israel and that the hill contained the Ark of the Covenant.


    You couldn't make it up.


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    brennan1979
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    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    During the turn of the 20th century the Hill of Tara was excavated by British Israelists who thought that the Irish were part of the Lost Tribes of Israel and that the hill contained the Ark of the Covenant.


    You couldn't make it up.

    That's bizarre. Although I had heard some of the lunatic fringe of loyalism consider Ulster Protestants a lost tribe of Israel.


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