Here's to a cure in 2013!

Killer Wench

First the story of the baby who was cured of HIV and now a study has shown that bee venom kills HIV. I think we may see a cure in our lifetime after all. Maybe even this year.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/09/bee-venom-kills-hiv-cells_n_2843743.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

.Henry Sellers.

Go on the babby!

Esel

Where does the bee have to sting you?

mewithoutyou

Fair play to the baby

admiralofthefleet

id say there is already a cure and the medical companies are controlling it.

.Henry Sellers.

"God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates Bee cure. Bees destroy HIV. Bees destroy man. Bees create dinosaurs" --- Best movie ever.

Czarcasm

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

id say there is already a cure and the medical companies are controlling it.

Pharmaceutical companies would make more out of controlling the availability and supply of the treatment than providing any sort of actual cure tbh. A cure means their revenue stream is limited whereas a treatment, well, that's perpetuity.

Chuck Stone

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

id say there is already a cure and the medical companies are controlling it.

Is there one scrap of evidence for this?

You realise that would be almost impossible to keep secret?

longshanks

.Henry Sellers. wrote: »

"God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates Bee cure. Bees destroy HIV. Bees destroy man. Bees create dinosaurs" --- Best movie ever.

Hang on there just a minute son. How are bees going to create dinosaurs? Are they scientist bees?

MadYaker

It might be bale to combat the virus now but the problem is that the virus changes constantly.

ballsymchugh

longshanks wrote: »

Hang on there just a minute son. How are bees going to create dinosaurs? Are they scientist bees?

no no, batman's a scientist.

J_E

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Is there one scrap of evidence for this?

You realise that would be almost impossible to keep secret?

It's a bit conspiracy theorist but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.

dodderangler

Killer Wench wrote: »

First the story of the baby who was cured of HIV and now a study has shown that bee venom kills HIV. I think we may see a cure in our lifetime after all. Maybe even this year.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/09/bee-venom-kills-hiv-cells_n_2843743.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Your only BUZZin with me left nut ain't ya?

Esel

Cydoniac wrote: »

It's a bit conspiracy theorist but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.

The scientist with the formula was on one of the 9/11 planes. They didn't know which plane, so......

Jimoslimos

Czarcasm wrote: »

Pharmaceutical companies would make more out of controlling the availability and supply of the treatment than providing any sort of actual cure tbh. A cure means their revenue stream is limited whereas a treatment, well, that's perpetuity.

Nonsense. Even with a cure HIV isn't going to go away overnight. A patent on a new cure would make several times that of current retrovirals before anyone could make generic versions. Anyway a cure doesn't stop people contracting the virus.

A vaccine would be an even better perpetual money-spinner - given that every newborn onwards would need one.

However it is true the reason drug-development is slow is money-related. Sub-Saharan Africans don't have much of it. Far greater profit margins in treating cancer, CHD, diabetes, arthritis to rich elderly Westerners. Unless there is a large increase in HIV numbers in Europe/US don't expect that to change. Just something to consider next time you pop a € in the tin for Daffodil Day.

.Henry Sellers.

longshanks wrote: »

Are they scientist bees?

Of course, anything else wouldn't make sense.

illicit007

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Is there one scrap of evidence for this?

You realise that would be almost impossible to keep secret?

KFC secret herbs and spices.

Nuff said

Phill Ewinn

Thought this thread would be about breakfast rolls

krudler

the X-Files had it right all along, its always the bees..

1ZRed

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

id say there is already a cure and the medical companies are controlling it.

If that was true it'd be one of the scummiest things man has done. Short of keeping a cancer cure under locks, that'd be one of the worst things when it effects millions.

Thankfully I don't believe it and there'll be a cure for HIV out within 10 years, 20 max.

Duggy747

Side-effects of the cure results in you acting like Nicolas Cage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU

TwoShedsJackson

Esel wrote: »

The scientist with the formula was on one of the 9/11 planes. They didn't know which plane, so......

Lol like any planes were used on 9/11. It was all missiles. Another ZOG believer here.

Capt'n Midnight

Meanwhile two people in DCU had TB

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21702647

there is genuine fear that the world is heading into a post-antibiotic era.

The World Health Organization has warned that "many common infections will no longer have a cure and, once again, could kill unabated".

The US Centers of Disease Control has pointed to the emergence of "nightmare bacteria".

And the chief medical officer for England Prof Dame Sally Davies has evoked parallels with the "apocalypse".

We may have to rely more on vaccines and on the Russians and their Phage technology in future.

ejmaztec

No doubt they're working on a new disease to take its place.

smash

ejmaztec wrote: »

No doubt they're working on a new disease to take its place.

Super Aids?

opinion guy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Meanwhile two people in DCU had TB

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21702647

We may have to rely more on vaccines and on the Russians and their Phage technology in future.

Article doesn't mention DCU ?

tin79

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

id say there is already a cure and the medical companies are controlling it.

Complete and absolute bollox.

Bad weed last night?

Having watched that excellent Channel 4 show, Utopia, I am now on to what these people are on to. Ye wont make me sterile, you ragamuffins!

seamus

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Meanwhile two people in DCU had TB

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21702647

We may have to rely more on vaccines and on the Russians and their Phage technology in future.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Now that we understand the nature of infection, I'd be very surprised if we find ourselves completely at a dead end when it comes to fighting it. It may become more difficult, but a return to pre-antibiotic levels sounds like complete scaremongering.

Fighting infection is an evolutionary arms race. We cannot win. We can only minimise our losses. Bacteria and viruses will always exist and will always adapt. So we too must always adapt.

As for whether the drug companies will sit on an HIV cure, I think that shows an underlying ignorance of how this stuff works.

A lot of leading-edge research comes from universities funded by drugs companies rather than from super-secret labs in underground bunkers. Or from former academics being employed by drugs companies as researchers.

These people by and large are scientists first - more interested in the research than in becoming billionaire businessmen. Trying to convince a group of scientists to sit on an HIV cure "for the good of the company" would fail. Sooner rather than later someone would crack and let it out.

If the "they're only interested in the treatment" theories panned out, we would have no vaccines. Vaccines wipe out the disease, they don't string it out requiring people to take ongoing treatment for it.

Though this new attack on viruses seems interesting. It sounds like it could be used to treat practically any viral illness, which could be as groundbreaking as the discovery of penicillin.

opinion guy

seamus wrote: »

Fighting infection is an evolutionary arms race. We cannot win. We can only minimise our losses. Bacteria and viruses will always exist and will always adapt. So we too must always adapt.

Oh we can win. Mainly by making our understanding deeper and our tech faster. Streamlining drug development would help alot. (If you ask me chucking out patent law would be a start )

But odds are we will nuke ourselves or get taken out by global warming or an asteroid in the meantime. Thats the real problem...too many problems need the resources.

Capt'n Midnight

opinion guy wrote: »

Article doesn't mention DCU ?

No it doesn't.

boards.ie has a minimum age limit.

If you haven't heard of the TB coming back by now I'd suggest you google it. Here we have 400 cases a year , 7% fatality rate, 50:50 chance of being cured if it's a drug resistant strain.

Of course the anti-vaccine crowd will tell you that the prevention is worse than the disease and we should be concerned about Fluoride in the water or the blinding beams of energy emanating from mobile phones and WiFi.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21737844

The danger posed by growing resistance to antibiotics should be ranked along with terrorism on a list of threats to the nation, the government's chief medical officer for England has said.
...
"We haven't had a new class of antibiotics since the late 80s and there are very few antibiotics in the pipeline of the big pharmaceutical companies that develop and make drugs," she said.

http://www.immunisation.ie/en/ChildhoodImmunisation/VaccinePreventableDiseases/Tuberculosis/

Death (this occurs in 7% of cases, usually elderly people)
...
The BCG vaccine protects against Tuberculosis (T.B).

http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Topics/Biological_Agents/Tuberculosis/

Tuberculosis (TB) is a disease caused by a bacterium, (a germ). It usually affects the lungs but can develop in any part of the body. TB is a curable disease. There are over 400 cases of TB notified in Ireland annually.

Take the bit about it being curable with a pinch of salt http://www.msf.ie/news/multidrug-resistant-tb-global-response-abysmal

Even if you are diagnosed and lucky enough to receive treatment for drug-resistant TB, it is appalling that you only have a 48% chance of being cured

RoyalMarine

Esel wrote: »

Where does the bee have to sting you?

didn't you read the article? they're creating it for a vaginal treatment.
so the bee's are put in there :rolleyes:

ejmaztec

smash wrote: »

Super Aids?

Gatoraids.

Sarky

Not to dash anyone's hopes against the jagged uncaring rocks of practicality, but it'll probably take longer than a year for a cure, research needs to be checked and re-checked, and medical trials need to be pretty in-depth and lengthy to make absolutely sure it works, and works well. But this is promising news, and suggests we'll see a genuine cure in the near future.

Gbear

smash wrote: »

Super Aids?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XO8x1jmmiJA#t=17s

opinion guy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

No it doesn't.

boards.ie has a minimum age limit.

If you haven't heard of the TB coming back by now I'd suggest you google it. Here we have 400 cases a year , 7% fatality rate, 50:50 chance of being cured if it's a drug resistant strain.

Of course the anti-vaccine crowd will tell you that the prevention is worse than the disease and we should be concerned about Fluoride in the water or the blinding beams of energy emanating from mobile phones and WiFi.

I'm well aware of MDR and XDR TB thank you very much. Still have no clue what your reference to TB and DCU was about. Nor your reference now to age limit. Not sure why you are going on about fluoride and vaccines honestly.

A bit less crypticism and patronising and a bit more clarity might be good there Cap'n

Truncheon Rouge

the bee venom will be distributed by dogs with bees in their mouth and when they bark they shoot out bees.

longhalloween

opinion guy wrote: »

(If you ask me chucking out patent law would be a start )

Then where are companies going to get the money to finance all their drug development?
Can't rely on charity alone...

Truncheon Rouge

ok ill take the sword........overpopulation.
legs it.

opinion guy

longhalloween wrote: »

Then where are companies going to get the money to finance all their drug development?
Can't rely on charity alone...

Tell you what - they could stop spending more money on marketing than research as they do currently and put that into research.

Patent law is based on the idea of stopping someone copying your work. This is based on old tech that was easy to copy. Modern drugs, much like modern IT isn't easy to copy and it isn't cheap top copy. The laws are outdated and now just support profiteering

Capt'n Midnight

opinion guy wrote: »

Still have no clue what your reference to TB and DCU was about. Nor your reference now to age limit.

age limit presupposes that you no longer need to be spoon fed


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dcu+tb

Ryu Hayabusa

I can see a cure for HIV as more detrimental to human health as it will encourage more people to have unprotected sex resulting in increased std transmission and pregnancies.

Sarky

It kills people. Lots of people. Surely a situation where it doesn't kill people is preferable, don't you think?

opinion guy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

age limit presupposes that you no longer need to be spoon fed


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dcu+tb

Hey buddy if you are going to go making claims about educational institutions and infectious diseases you can do your own googling and back up what you are saying

Capt'n Midnight

opinion guy wrote: »

Hey buddy if you are going to go making claims about educational institutions and infectious diseases you can do your own googling and back up what you are saying

not a claim

simply a statement of fact