What if the people who write "Alive!" newspaper don't actually have any beliefs...

hatrickpatrick

...and are just very dedicated trolls determined to wind people up?
:pac:

Chucken

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

...and are just very dedicated trolls determined to wind people up?
:pac:

Oh the irony :rolleyes:

Duggy747

You want dedication, head over to Landoverbaptist.

Lapin

I can't believe I'm replying to this thread but I'm interested to know why the OP thinks people would contribute to a publication if they didn't believe in what they were saying.

Pushtrak

Lapin wrote: »

I can't believe I'm replying to this thread but I'm interested to know why the OP thinks people would contribute to a publication if they didn't believe in what they were saying.

Ever heard of satire? Or the phenomenon of "poe"?

Edit: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law
Edit 2:

Poe's Law: Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake it for the genuine article.

Poe's Corollary: ”It is impossible for an act of Fundamentalism to be made that someone won't mistake for a parody."

The Poe Paradox: "In any fundamentalist group, a paradox exists where any new person (or idea) sufficiently fundamentalist to be accepted by the group is likely to be so ridiculous that they risk being rejected as a parodist (or parody)." e.g "Any new member of the CP (Conservapedia) project who's not as conservative as them is liable to be chucked out. However, any new member who is as conservative as them is in serious danger of being called a parodist, and chucked out. Is this the first living example of a Poe Paradox?"

Zebra3

Lapin wrote: »

I can't believe I'm replying to this thread but I'm interested to know why the OP thinks people would contribute to a publication if they didn't believe in what they were saying.

Because a lot of people who push all that religion crap do so out of self-interest while living a life that doesn't reflect what they preach.

Toby Take a Bow

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

...and are just very dedicated trolls determined to wind people up?
:pac:

They wouldn't even have to be trolls. I presume they get paid, and a lot of people - most people, I would say - will work for a company with less than okay ethics if it means a decent pay packet at the end of the month. Or they will justify it in some way.

Grayson

I just checked the latest issue online. they compare Enda Kenny to Herod.

Looks like enda's going up in the world.

Edit. And I just found this jewel.

What I find really puzzling is why
so many educated folk opt to be nohope
atheists, and it is an option,
following fashion. It is rarely the
result of deep thought.
It is such a crack-pot option. I
mean, who in his or her right
mind would choose to believe that
the whole creation is simply
absurd, without rhyme or reason,
the result of a billion billion
freaky accidents?
Scientists above all should be
able to see that such nonsense
destroys even science.
Again, who would choose to
believe that life has no ultimate
purpose or meaning, to live without
ultimate hope? I mean, this is
crazy stuff.
Which brings us, I think, to the
fundamental issue – what do they
gain by such a weird choice? But
that will have to wait for another
day.

orestes

The only people who read it are fundamentalists anyway so what difference would it make? It's not like it's a paper that is supposed to be unbiased or anything, it's propaganda directed towards a very specific group of people with very specific beliefs.. The only way they could wind people up with their audience is by saying stuff that goes against the ethos of the paper, and then it wouldn't get published by definition. They're not trolling, they're just nuts. Unless there are people going out of their way to read a newspaper that they know by definition they won't agree with and will p1ss them off, in which case they're nuts too and serves them right for getting annoyed.

J_E

It's a dangerous paper in the ridiculous nature of what it says.

Grayson

orestes wrote: »

The only people who read it are fundamentalists anyway so what difference would it make? It's not like it's a paper that is supposed to be unbiased or anything, it's propaganda directed towards a very specific group of people with very specific beliefs.. The only way they could wind people up with their audience is by saying stuff that goes against the ethos of the paper, and then it wouldn't get published by definition. They're not trolling, they're just nuts. Unless there are people going out of their way to read a newspaper that they know by definition they won't agree with and will p1ss them off, in which case they're nuts too and serves them right for getting annoyed.

See, when it's dropped through every letter box, that's trolling.

Nodin

I wonder if they'd put it in a letter box designed to look like a mans hairy ass.

3ndahalfof6

nothing to see under this bridge move along,

newmug

What if the writers of it, you know, actually DO believe what they write? Does that give anyone the right to make fun of them? They probably come on here and see the fundamentalist athiest viewpoints that are commonplace on this website, and think the exact same of you people, as what all you people seem to think of them!

Pushtrak

newmug wrote: »

What if the writers of it, you know, actually DO believe what they write?

They have my sympathies.

Does that give anyone the right to make fun of them?

Of course.

They probably come on here and see the fundamentalist athiest viewpoints that are commonplace on this website, and think the exact same of you people, as what all you people seem to think of them!

They are perfectly free to do so.

Grayson

newmug wrote: »

What if the writers of it, you know, actually DO believe what they write? Does that give anyone the right to make fun of them? They probably come on here and see the fundamentalist athiest viewpoints that are commonplace on this website, and think the exact same of you people, as what all you people seem to think of them!

Yes it does. I'm allowed think that someones opinion is silly. And I'm allowed say it. And they're allowed to say it about mine.

That's called a dialogue. And if any society wants to make sure it doesn't become totalitarian, there should be open and free discussion.

ejmaztec

Pushtrak wrote: »

They have my sympathies.

Of course.

They are perfectly free to do so.

It's a good job it isn't a Jewish publication, or one preaching Islam, or no-one would be able to comment in a locked thread.:P

sumtings

I always wonder how many priests are actually atheist.

Pushtrak

sumtings wrote: »

I always wonder how many priests are actually atheist.

There may be quite a number. I'm not sure if this is specific to the States, though I'm guessing it is, but had you heard of The Clergy Project?

Anyway, very few priests these days are young. The average age is 64. Go back a few decades and families would send kids off to be priests or nuns as it was the done thing at one time, though we are long gone from that.

sumtings

Pushtrak wrote: »

There may be quite a number. I'm not sure if this is specific to the States, though I'm guessing it is, but had you heard of The Clergy Project?

Anyway, very few priests these days are young. The average age is 64. Go back a few decades and families would send kids off to be priests or nuns as it was the done thing at one time, though we are long gone from that.

wonder how many of them are atheists pretending to be clergy?

Nodin

ejmaztec wrote: »

It's a good job it isn't a Jewish publication, or one preaching Islam, or no-one would be able to comment in a locked thread.:P

Are you aware of a Jewish or Muslim publication thats shoved in Irish doors containing the same level of right wing anti-gay, anti-contraceptive nonsense?

Pushtrak

sumtings wrote: »

wonder how many of them are atheists pretending to be clergy?

The clergy project? How many aren't actually pastors, just atheists pretending? Is that what you mean? Well, no, I don't think that likely as they are very secretive of their membership and who is there. The people are all there anonymously and the vetting process is very careful to maintain the anonymity of the people who join up. So, no, I don't think there are people who aren't clergy/ex clergy amongst their numbers.

Edit: For more on that, check this out: http://www.clergyproject.org/join

Screening


The goal of screening potential members is to protect the anonymity of our members while still providing an opportunity for active and former clergy to be welcomed into our community. Our screening process involves several stages, including disclosure of information regarding your history as a pastor, minister, priest, nun, monk, rabbi, imam, or theologian. We are committed to protecting your privacy. Our screeners will not disclose any information that you share.

More at the link.

crockholm

Nodin wrote: »

Are you aware of a Jewish or Muslim publication thats shoved in Irish doors containing the same level of right wing anti-gay, anti-contraceptive nonsense?

Perspective ,old bean, perspective. "same level of Traditionalist,pro-family,pro-life", who goes through life wanting to look like a jerk?

ejmaztec

Pushtrak wrote: »

There may be quite a number. I'm not sure if this is specific to the States, though I'm guessing it is, but had you heard of The Clergy Project?

Anyway, very few priests these days are young. The average age is 64. Go back a few decades and families would send kids off to be priests or nuns as it was the done thing at one time, though we are long gone from that.

I think that's the main reason why the Catholic church in Ireland has caused so many problems, because a lot of the people were performing their family duties by joining up, and they just weren't cut out for the job, and didn't give a sh1t about the people they were supposed to be responsible for.

ejmaztec

Nodin wrote: »

Are you aware of a Jewish or Muslim publication thats shoved in Irish doors containing the same level of right wing anti-gay, anti-contraceptive nonsense?

I wouldn't know, the last thing I would ever in a million years consider reading is a religious publication from any source.

Pushtrak

ejmaztec wrote: »

I wouldn't know, the last thing I would ever in a million years consider reading is a religious publication from any source.

They can be just the thing when you need a laugh/reason to facepalm/to weep for humanity, etc.

ejmaztec

Pushtrak wrote: »

They can be just the thing when you need a laugh/reason to facepalm/to weep for humanity, etc.

I'd rather poke my eyes out with a stick.:p

There are enough laughs and facepalms in After Hours for me to waste any time looking for them in those "thingies".

Lapin

Pushtrak wrote: »

Ever heard of satire? Or the phenomenon of "poe"?

Edit: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law
Edit 2:

Come back to me when you take your head out of your backside.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Because a lot of people who push all that religion crap do so out of self-interest while living a life that doesn't reflect what they preach.

Good point there.

Pushtrak

Lapin wrote: »

Come back to me when you take your head out of your backside.

Nothing interesting/worthwhile to post? What is your issue, exactly? Not knowing what a Poe is? Not thinking it can be ascribed to Alive? See, posting stuff of no value like the above doesn't get you very far.

gurramok

That Alive newspaper does be available alongside local newspapers at the ATM machine in Clearwater, Finglas. Why?! Hardly anyone takes a copy, the rack is always full!!

I notice recently that Alive do put a pretty Latino girl on the front page lately, is this an attempt at seduction?!

ejmaztec

gurramok wrote: »

That Alive newspaper does be available alongside local newspapers at the ATM machine in Clearwater, Finglas. Why?! Hardly anyone takes a copy, the rack is always full!!

I notice recently that Alive do put a pretty Latino girl on the front page lately, is this an attempt at seduction?!

Don't they give away a self-flagellation whip with those?

RustyNut

I just hope they keep putting their sh1t through my door whoever writes it. If not I would have to buy some other lying rag to light my fire..........

gurramok

ejmaztec wrote: »

Don't they give away a self-flagellation whip with those?

What will happen when she is page 3?!

ChunkyLover54

Nodin wrote: »

Are you aware of a Jewish or Muslim publication thats shoved in Irish doors containing the same level of right wing anti-gay, anti-contraceptive nonsense?

No but we get lots of flyers from four star pizza.

I have no choice but to read them from beginning to end.

Its an outrage!

Grayson

gurramok wrote: »

I notice recently that Alive do put a pretty Latino girl on the front page lately, is this an attempt at seduction?!

http://www.alive.ie/archives.html

Most of them have a girl on the front.

I saw one last year with cameron Diaz on the front. The article that mentioned her said that she's said it was hard to make a relationship last, or something along those lines. The article then said it was her fault because she'd dated too many people and had turned into the parcel in a game of pass the parcel.

Good healthy catholic attitide to relationships and women right there

ejmaztec

gurramok wrote: »

What will happen when she is page 3?!

You get a free hair-suit.:(

newmug

sumtings wrote: »

I always wonder how many priests are actually atheist.

sumtings wrote: »

wonder how many of them are atheists pretending to be clergy?

Well all the paedophile ones were anyway.

Pace2008

newmug wrote: »

Well all the paedophile ones were anyway.

Damn, I would have put this down as Catholic apologetic nonsense but that evidence you just provided to back up the claim is just too compelling.

SoulandForm

My problem with it is not that its conservative as such but that its utterly boring- its like its aimed at children or the mildly retarded.

orestes

I don't get it, if so many people have such a problem with it, why bother reading it and not just ignore it like the rest of your junk mail?

SoulandForm

I see it as Imperialism- it comes across as the worst type of American Protestantism, Ima prod myself, but this type of Protestantism does not belong in Ireland.

RustyNut

newmug wrote: »

Well all the paedophile ones were anyway.

I don't know, the bible says, But Jesus called them to him, and said, Suffer little children to come to me. They fairly live up to that, nothing god likes better than suffering children.

PopePalpatine

newmug wrote: »

Well all the paedophile ones were anyway.

So wait...atheism cause paedophilia?

Any source for this besides "Alive!"?