No more motor tax? (until further notice) esp. for uriel

davet82

Only caught the end of this on the radio this morning, that the guards as a form of protest will not be enforcing motor tax until cuts are reversed?

did i hear this right?

Uriel.

Yes you did.

But it'll blow over at some point relatively soon and no matter what you are still required by law to have motor tax so your thread title implies something different that's not true

davet82

Uriel. wrote: »

Yes you did.

But it'll blow over at some point relatively soon and no matter what you are still required by law to have motor tax so your thread title implies something different that's not true

ok i'll change the title just for you then :rolleyes:

AEDIC

At the Guards discretion apparently...some may issue you with a fine...some may not.... pot luck. Better to pay your road tax I would say

anncoates

They don't anyway.

davet82

AEDIC wrote: »

At the Guards discretion apparently...some may issue you with a fine...some may not.... pot luck. Better to pay your road tax I would say

awh, best go online and pay it now then

dave1982

You'll have to back tax it anyway

Technoprisoner

Uriel. wrote: »

Yes you did.

But it'll blow over at some point relatively soon and no matter what you are still required by law to have motor tax so your thread title implies something different that's not true

but road tax is a civil matter is it not? why do the guards get involved

davet82

dave1982 wrote: »

You'll have to back tax it anyway

sign the log book over to a family member when the protest is over, no more back tax, sign it back 3 months later

squod

Hope motor tax will go the way of all the other expensive crap that ''Green'' party put in place. W*nkers.

dave1982

davet82 wrote: »

sign the log book over to a family member when the protest is over, no more back tax, sign it back 3 months later

Hahaaa:D

Uriel.

davet82 wrote: »

ok i'll change the title just for you then :rolleyes:

Lol. Thank you. I've been waiting for some niceness all week. It was worth the wait

RustyNut

Technoprisoner wrote: »

but road tax is a civil matter is it not? why do the guards get involved

No, it's an offence to use or keep a vehicle on public road with out having tax or having it displayed.

hardCopy

squod wrote: »

Hope motor tax will go the way of all the other expensive crap that ''Green'' party put in place. W*nkers.

We had motor tax long before the Greens came and went.

Mr Benevolent

dave1982 wrote: »

You'll have to back tax it anyway

Buy Bangernomics and sell it on... no backtax.

My name is URL

RustyNut wrote: »

No, it's an offence to use or keep a vehicle on public road with out having tax or having it displayed.

If it's an offence then how come Gardai can legally elect not to enforce the law? I doubt they'd get away with ignoring other offences =/

mickdw

I recently realised thanks to another thread here that it is cheaper to pay your tax in arrears that pay it on time 3 or 6 monthly. You get penalised for paying 3 or 6 monthly while if paying in arrears you pay one 1/12 of the yearly rate per month with no penalty.

triple-M

mickdw wrote: »

I recently realised thanks to another thread here that it is cheaper to pay your tax in arrears that pay it on time 3 or 6 monthly. You get penalised for paying 3 or 6 monthly while if paying in arrears you pay one 1/12 of the yearly rate per month with no penalty.

shhhhhhh the government could be reading this thread and realise that then change the system!

Captain Chaos

triple-M wrote: »

shhhhhhh the government could be reading this thread and realise that then change the system!

Like actually putting motor tax on fuel instead like it should be?

davet82

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Like actually putting motor tax on fuel instead like it should be?

if you think about, the tax is already on fuel, just another excuse to ride you for another few hundred euro :mad:

ballsymchugh

wait a sec, where's the garda's hat in all this?!

what about matching socks?

Captain Chaos

davet82 wrote: »

if you think about, the tax is already on fuel, just another excuse to ride you for another few hundred euro :mad:

It's better, the more you use the road the more you pay. Works very well in the UK but they aren't getting shafted on fuel prices as it is unlike us.

RustyNut

My name is URL wrote: »

If it's an offence then how come Gardai can legally elect not to enforce the law? I doubt they'd get away with ignoring other offences =/

Because they have "discretion"

See rules half way down the page.

ballsymchugh

Captain Chaos wrote: »

It's better, the more you use the road the more you pay. Works very well in the UK but they aren't getting shafted on fuel prices as it is unlike us.

i live in the UK. in the past few years with exchange rates, fuel is either similar or more expensive here. diesel is way more expensive than petrol here and has been for a long time.

davet82

Captain Chaos wrote: »

It's better, the more you use the road the more you pay. Works very well in the UK but they aren't getting shafted on fuel prices as it is unlike us.

i agree

Technoprisoner

RustyNut wrote: »

Because they have "discretion"

See rules half way down the page.

so this is part of the road traffic act?

Banjo String

mickdw wrote: »

I recently realised thanks to another thread here that it is cheaper to pay your tax in arrears that pay it on time 3 or 6 monthly. You get penalised for paying 3 or 6 monthly while if paying in arrears you pay one 1/12 of the yearly rate per month with no penalty.

Until your car is ceased, then it doesn't really save you any cash tbh.

donegal_road

I know several guards who wont book drivers for road tax out of principle, due to the condition of the roads.

*Road tax up north is a fraction of what it is here. eg. 2011, Kia 1.6 diesel... £20 for the year

monkeysnapper

I've been into my local Garda twice lately getting forms stamped to say car was off road so as not to pay back tax on it. I did it legally as my engine blew on van and it was out of service for 2 months. Plus the car I got while this engine was being serviced had to have form stamped from previous owner who had let tax go.

On both occasions gard just stamped form without any delay or questions .

And in my wife's car nct had expired over 2 years, yes I kid you not 2 years and we were just waved on at a check point. I don't think people appreciate how laid back the Gards are here. I was brought up in the uk and I tell you you wouldn't get away with that kind of thing over there. I see now they,ll have your car taken off you if you don't have road tax and insurance , ( I think)

My name is URL

RustyNut wrote: »

Because they have "discretion"

See rules half way down the page.

Fair enough, though surely discretion is used by individual Gardai on a case by case basis. Is it still discretionary when they come out and state that there will be no enforcement?

RustyNut

Technoprisoner wrote: »

so this is part of the road traffic act?

Not sure, might be the finance act.

Banjo String

They wanted to cease my work vehicle last week!

Out of date insurance disc, wouldn't let me move until the company emailed me the up-to-date one to my phone.

Next up, property tax.....

Which I'll never, ever pay! Ever!

Yawns

mickdw wrote: »

I recently realised thanks to another thread here that it is cheaper to pay your tax in arrears that pay it on time 3 or 6 monthly. You get penalised for paying 3 or 6 monthly while if paying in arrears you pay one 1/12 of the yearly rate per month with no penalty.

Unless of course you get stopped and a fine for non display of tax. Then you have to pay the fine + arrears which works out more expensive. Down to luck of course whether or not you get caught tho.

RustyNut

My name is URL wrote: »

Fair enough, though surely discretion is used by individual Gardai on a case by case basis. Is it still discretionary when they come out and state that there will be no enforcement?

I suppose that's what makes it a protest.

Potential-Monke

It's an offence under the Finance Act, which in turn is amended by the Road Traffic Act 2010. Fixed charge is €60, but you could get summonsed to court also.

The Garda's discretion applies to everything. It's up to the member at the end of the day. No one can tell the Garda what to do, nor can any group attempt to organise something like this (it's an offence for a Garda to be part of an organisation which tells members what to do), it's a suggestion which members may or may not follow - individual decision.

If your tax is out by 2 months, the car can be taken off you - €125 release fee + €35 for every 24 hours it's kept + proof of car being (back)taxed or taken on the back of a tow truck (cannot be towed with a tow-bar).

The form for declaring the car off the road (RF100) which the Garda signs, they don't check if the car has been off the road, they are just witnessing a declaration that you are stating the car has been off the road. If it turns out, and comes to light, that the car wasn't off the road, it's then a false declaration and a Fraud case would ensue.

Gumbo

davet82 wrote: »

sign the log book over to a family member when the protest is over, no more back tax, sign it back 3 months later

Why go to that hassle, just fill out an RF100A form, it was off the road officer

Witchie

Heard about this this morning after spending nearly 500 quid back taxing and paying tax for the coming year yesterday. Was raging!!

Technoprisoner

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It's an offence under the Finance Act, which in turn is amended by the Road Traffic Act 2010. Fixed charge is €60, but you could get summonsed to court also.

The Garda's discretion applies to everything. It's up to the member at the end of the day. No one can tell the Garda what to do, nor can any group attempt to organise something like this (it's an offence for a Garda to be part of an organisation which tells members what to do), it's a suggestion which members may or may not follow - individual decision.

If your tax is out by 2 months, the car can be taken off you - €125 release fee + €35 for every 24 hours it's kept + proof of car being (back)taxed or taken on the back of a tow truck (cannot be towed with a tow-bar).

The form for declaring the car off the road (RF100) which the Garda signs, they don't check if the car has been off the road, they are just witnessing a declaration that you are stating the car has been off the road. If it turns out, and comes to light, that the car wasn't off the road, it's then a false declaration and a Fraud case would ensue.

are you a member of AGS? Do you mind if i ask you a question about the road traffic act?

Death and Taxes

anncoates wrote: »

They don't anyway.

The hell they dont!!!
The confscated thousands of vehicles last year for the tax being out of date by more than two months.

Wibbs

WileyCoyote wrote: »

The hell they dont!!!
The confscated thousands of vehicles last year for the tax being out of date by more than two months.

Still just going on personal experience here it's well over two years since I've gone through a tax/insurance checkpoint and I live and Dublin and drive around a fair bit. Maybe I've been lucky? I say lucky. I don't need luck as I've got tax and insurance

davet82

kceire wrote: »

Why go to that hassle, just fill out an RF100A form, it was off the road officer

that loophole is closing though?

WileyCoyote wrote: »

The hell they dont!!!
The confscated thousands of vehicles last year for the tax being out of date by more than two months.

too right they take cars, friend of mine was left on the back roads for being 3 months out

Wibbs wrote: »

Still just going on personal experience here it's well over two years since I've gone through a tax/insurance checkpoint and I live and Dublin and drive around a fair bit. Maybe I've been lucky? I say lucky. I don't need luck as I've got tax and insurance

you've been lucky!