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  • 06-03-2013 4:12pm
    #1
    grodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭


    Hi I was wondering if someone could explain something to me?

    I was listening to one of the Dail committees today (select sub-com on finance discussing the finance bill 2013) and the chair said that something by Pierce Doherty was ruled out of order as it contains a potential charge on the people.

    I tried to search what that means but it just brings up different debates and other committee scripts.

    Can someone explain to me what the chair meant by his statement?

    Thanks


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  • #2
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    The Committee Stage debate should, in theory, proceed section by section through the Bill establishing the “intention of the legislature”. In practice, the Party Whips divide the time agreed for the debate between the parts of the Bill and the debate on each of those parts then focuses almost exclusively on explanation of Ministerial amendments and rebuttal of opposition amendments.

    Opposition amendments which would impose or increase a charge or reduce or withdraw a relief are out of order and are not, therefore, discussed. There is no such limitation on Ministerial amendments. These may introduce new provisions, or reflect policy changes, agreed by Government after the publication of the Bill; they may also correct oversights of substance in the drafting of the Bill as published; or they may simply correct printing errors.

    So basically, only the government can propose a tax increase or the removal of a tax relief in the committee stage. An opposition proposal can only be about cutting a tax or making a tax relief; not sure why.

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.revenue.ie%2Fen%2Fabout%2Ffoi%2Fs16%2Fincome-tax-capital-gains-tax-corporation-tax%2Fmisc%2Fmisc-13.pdf%3Fdownload%3Dtrue&ei=RLA3UczDF8HMhAeHqYHgAQ&usg=AFQjCNF7Lfa40ltFmuT4ILwWBZQwPvsGGA&bvm=bv.43287494,d.ZG4


  • #3
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    grodge wrote: »
    Hi I was wondering if someone could explain something to me?

    I was listening to one of the Dail committees today (select sub-com on finance discussing the finance bill 2013) and the chair said that something by Pierce Doherty was ruled out of order as it contains a potential charge on the people.

    I tried to search what that means but it just brings up different debates and other committee scripts.

    Can someone explain to me what the chair meant by his statement?

    Thanks

    There's a bit of context required to asnwer the question, such as what was actually said, was it a proposal, does the committee have the power to do whatever was being said etc


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