Ideal for export !

Big Davey

I keep seeing ads on Irish websites , adverts, donedeal, car zone etc with this in the ad. They are usually but not always vans and rough cars I just don't get what makes them "ideal for export" ?

eringobragh

Big Davey wrote: »

I keep seeing ads on Irish websites , adverts, donedeal, car zone etc with this in the ad. They are usually but not always vans and rough cars I just don't get what makes them "ideal for export" ?

Due to extortionate tax rates - ideal for export is anything pre 2008 and over 2500cc

Eric Cartman

eringobragh wrote: »

Due to extortionate tax rates - ideal for export is anything pre 2008 and over 2500cc

or an absolute shed of a commercial van / truck / jeep that wouldnt pass a DOE but will be perfect for africa.

CiniO

What makes them ideal for export is fact that they are silly cheap here, due to high taxes, insurance and labour in Ireland.

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPB26SUVCnA

This car (STI) is owned by quite famous Polish speedway rider Janusz Kolodziej.
He wouldn't bother getting it in Ireland, if it wasn't way cheaper here than in Poland.
He is using this car mostly for fun, amateur rallies, etc...

bazz26

Like this:

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/commercials/4659691

He is very hopeful that it doesn't decompose fully before it is put in a container.

Big Davey

Very interesting ! One of the vans was a smiley face transit high roof dog rough €800 ! Surly it would not be worth shipping this to Africa or even Poland ? ? ?????? It's funny how economy's work its only a few years ago everybody and his cousin were going to the UK to buy a car and bring it back to ireland to try to make a few quid on it. Also is The extortionate rates of Vrt charged in Ireland not a form of double taxation................................

Big Davey

bazz26 wrote: »

Like this:

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/commercials/4659691

He is very hopeful that it doesn't decompose fully before it is put in a container.

That is unbelievable surly it would cost 1k plus to ship that ? It's not fit for chickens...............

shooter88

Big Davey wrote: »

Very interesting ! One of the vans was a smiley face transit high roof dog rough €800 ! Surly it would not be worth shipping this to Africa or even Poland ? ? ?????? It's funny how economy's work its only a few years ago everybody and his cousin were going to the UK to buy a car and bring it back to ireland to try to make a few quid on it. Also is The extortionate rates of Vrt charged in Ireland not a form of double taxation................................

There is big money in export vehicles,they are taken into Africa where they are put back to road worthy condition basically all new parts and then used for farming etc...its cheaper then them having to hut new

CiniO

Big Davey wrote: »

Very interesting ! One of the vans was a smiley face transit high roof dog rough €800 ! Surly it would not be worth shipping this to Africa or even Poland ? ? ??????

To Poland rather not, but to Africa - it probably is worth it.

Cars that go to Poland are usually high spec, big saloons, premium brands with big engines. They are worth nothing in Ireland, and it's still worth to ship them to Poland and convert to LHD, as it still comes cheaper than buying one there or on the Continent.

Big Davey

Is there no Vrt in Poland then ? Is petrol cheaper or just the economy in a better state than Ireland ? I would imagine the NCTM in Poland is the equivalent to here as the mechanics that come here are good which would imply a general high standard of maintenance I would think.

Senna

I've had two cars bought for export within the last 3 years, one a 1996 Prelude type S that went to Poland and last year a guy in England bought my 1998 MR2. Both couldn't buy those cars at home for twice the price I was selling them for.

CiniO

Big Davey wrote: »

Is there no Vrt in Poland then ?

There is excise duty on importing secondhand cars, but for engines up to 2.0litre its only something like 3%. For over 2litre its about 18% (I'm not sure exact values).

Is petrol cheaper or just the economy in a better state than Ireland ?

Petrol is about €1.30, but LPG costs only about €0.65 and it's available everywhere.

I would imagine the NCTM in Poland is the equivalent to here as the mechanics that come here are good which would imply a general high standard of maintenance I would think.

There is car testing service, and while in theory it's the same strict as NCT here, but it's outsourced to various garages like in UK, and therefore in some places tests are not being made earnestly - so there is bigger change to have a faulty car go through the test.
Obviously no one would pass the car with faulty brakes or tyres, but some testers might turn a blind eye on emissions or leaks, or other less dangerous things.


In general though, it's not about fact that people in Poland can afford better cars that Irish people.
It's about that people who can afford high spec premium cars, might want to get them from Ireland or UK and convert to LHD, as it's cheaper then buying locally.

Big Davey

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/commercials/4673960

Big Davey

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/commercials/4672019
This is the one that got me wondering.................................

00833827

i think there is a different attitude too in other countries - folks in these export markets would sooner drive a 10-15 year old quality proven marque with a larger engine - while here, everyone is in a new small diesel engined Korean number.

I know what i would prefer to drive - but our government has other ideas :-(

colm_mcm

bazz26 wrote: »

Like this:

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/commercials/4659691

van is complete

Seller left out a word it seems

visual

I guess most of the crap advertised as suitable for export remain unsold until someone wants it for parts or scrap yard offers a few quid.

Think about it, why put the words suitable for export unless your warning buyers its unsuitable for the road here.

If I was seeking to buy a car to sell in Poland or Africa I want one with little or no problems as it costs as much to ship a good example as a bad one.

The guy selling that old hi ace would have been lucky to get that price a decade ago. What a dreamer.

CiniO

00833827 wrote: »

i think there is a different attitude too in other countries - folks in these export markets would sooner drive a 10-15 year old quality proven marque with a larger engine - while here, everyone is in a new small diesel engined Korean number.

I know what i would prefer to drive - but our government has other ideas :-(

It's not the attitude. It's the price.

If you have a choice to buy brand new Fiat Panda for 8k, and keep paying for authorised dealer servicing for few years to maintain warranty, you might be better off to buy this one: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4668609
Advertised for 3750, can go probably for 3500 or lower. Cost to get it to Poland about 500. Convert to LHD probably about 1500, Fit LPG about 800, maybe few repairs to bring car to excellent state, and below 7k you have a brilliant BMW which won't cost you much more to run than panda eventually.
(no motortax, insurance is cheap, and even though it probably would be twice more expensive than on Panda, it's still within 200 - 250 euro per year once you have NCB).

If you wanted to get one over there, it's over 10k: http://otomoto.pl/bmw-735-piekny-zadbany-model-272-km-C26086966.html

In Ireland people don't want those cars anymore, and tax, insurance and maintenance cost is a killer.

Maintenance cost in Poland is also much cheaper that here.
F.e I got quoted about 550 for a new clutch with fitting for my Mazda 6 petrol in Mayo (parts and labour)
I've got it done eventually in Poland for about 200 with the same brand clutch as I was offered in Ireland.