Hotbird satellite

Big Davey · 05-03-2013 6:21pm #1

I currently have sky tv Ireland but want to get hotbird in another room (Italian tv) is there any easy way to find out where the new dish should be pointing by using the existing sky dish as a reference ?
Thank you guys

snaps · 06-03-2013 9:43am

Big Davey wrote: »

I currently have sky tv Ireland but want to get hotbird in another room (Italian tv) is there any easy way to find out where the new dish should be pointing by using the existing sky dish as a reference ?
Thank you guys

slightly to the west, a few nudges and the elevation is very slightly higher. When looking at 2 dishes (1 pointing to astra2 and 1 pointing to hotbird) you will see the difference, but its very small.

dicey2 · 06-03-2013 12:38pm

ya its only about 3 inches

iba · 06-03-2013 4:26pm

Big Davey wrote: »

I currently have sky tv Ireland but want to get hotbird in another room (Italian tv) is there any easy way to find out where the new dish should be pointing by using the existing sky dish as a reference ?
Thank you guys

Why dont you just get a bracket and have two LNBs on the same dish - you can get Astra and Hotbird on the same dish.

Nowso · 06-03-2013 4:51pm

you would want at leat an 80 inch dish for hotbird . go to www.dishpointer.com and u can get exact details on how to point it

snaps · 06-03-2013 5:28pm

Nowso wrote: »

you would want at leat an 80 inch dish for hotbird . go to www.dishpointer.com and u can get exact details on how to point it

80cm!

Nowso · 06-03-2013 6:26pm

lol yeah

tdv123 · 06-03-2013 8:02pm

snaps wrote: »

80cm!

I was able to get around 90% strength & 85% quality with a 65cm solid dish for 13E.

snaps · 06-03-2013 8:48pm

tdv123 wrote: »

I was able to get around 90% strength & 85% quality with a 65cm solid dish for 13E.

That might be the case, dont trust signal meters on receivers. Some of the DVBS2 transponders do suffer from rain fade and can be dodgy here this far west. The Cyfra+ channel with Canal+Gol HD is a dodgy one for some, also the TVP HD transponder. 80cm should solve problems, but a 60cm will do the job just.

tdv123 · 09-03-2013 6:00am

snaps wrote: »

That might be the case, dont trust signal meters on receivers. Some of the DVBS2 transponders do suffer from rain fade and can be dodgy here this far west. The Cyfra+ channel with Canal+Gol HD is a dodgy one for some, also the TVP HD transponder. 80cm should solve problems, but a 60cm will do the job just.

Well if he's planning on getting sub channels then yes go with an 80cm. But if it's just something he's looking to mess around I found the 60cm much easier & quicker to align right.

Big Davey · 10-03-2013 5:20pm

I hope to do it early next week will let you know how I get on.
Thanks guys.

tdv123 · 11-03-2013 2:37am

Big Davey wrote: »

I hope to do it early next week will let you know how I get on.
Thanks guys.

Are you planning on getting subscription channels or just fta stuff? Also are you on the east or west coast?

Big Davey · 07-10-2013 7:11pm

It's not going too good......... I am trying this now and the best I can get is 72% intensity and 14% quality. I think there may be a setting wrong on receiver ?
What tp index should I have ?
What tp frequency ?
Symbol rate ?
Polarity ?
What is the 22k, diseqc, etc etc
Help.

snaps · 07-10-2013 7:51pm

You've taken your time......7 months later! What are you trying to do and what equipment are you using?

Big Davey · 12-10-2013 7:46pm

snaps wrote: »

You've taken your time......7 months later! What are you trying to do and what equipment are you using?

I got nagged into it lol it took me 7 months to get around to it :-)
I paid a fella to set it up for me in the end which was grand only problem is we can only find about 10 Italian station on hotbird and the ones herself wanted are not there that I can find Mediaset channels ie Chanel 5, Italia 1, rete 4, la 7 etc etc etc any advice ? We have rai 1,2,3 sport etc

kooga · 12-10-2013 8:58pm

Big Davey wrote: »

I got nagged into it lol it took me 7 months to get around to it :-)
I paid a fella to set it up for me in the end which was grand only problem is we can only find about 10 Italian station on hotbird and the ones herself wanted are not there that I can find Mediaset channels ie Chanel 5, Italia 1, rete 4, la 7 etc etc etc any advice ? We have rai 1,2,3 sport etc

full list of italian channels on lyngsat or king of sat. many of the Italian channels need a card and a decoder which you can buy in Italy using an Italian equivalent of your pps number

The Cush · 12-10-2013 9:29pm

kooga wrote: »

full list of italian channels on lyngsat or king of sat. many of the Italian channels need a card and a decoder which you can buy in Italy using an Italian equivalent of your pps number

tivùsat information here - http://www.tivu.tv/sat-eng/tivusat/index.aspx

Peter Rhea · 12-10-2013 11:24pm

Big Davey wrote: »

. . . we can only find about 10 Italian station on hotbird and the ones herself wanted are not there that I can find Mediaset channels ie Chanel 5, Italia 1, rete 4, la 7 etc etc etc any advice ? We have rai 1,2,3 sport etc

Some of the Mediaset channels are listed as 'clear': Italia 1, Rete 4 & Canale 5 among them.

Kooga could confirm if they are still receivable in the clear.

radiowaves · 13-10-2013 9:37am

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Some of the Mediaset channels are listed as 'clear': Italia 1, Rete 4 & Canale 5 among them.

Kooga could confirm if they are still receivable in the clear.

They certainly are, although Canale 5 is only clear at certain times.

Peter Rhea · 13-10-2013 10:26am

radiowaves wrote: »

. . . Canale 5 is only clear at certain times.

Ah, that would explain why it's listed as both clear & encrypted.

Big Davey · 13-10-2013 12:35pm

I don't understand what clear is ? With regards to the card and box my outlaws tell me that was only for paid channels and has not been used in about 10 years in Italy. Here is what I was wondering is it only certain channels that come through the dish and the others are received only by Ariel in Italy ? Like the way we can loads of free stations in Ireland on a dish but can only get tv3 rte etc on an Ariel ? I am hoping we can get the channels we are missing as it would not have been worth buying a dish and new tv and paying a person to set it up for the few channels we have received.
Thanks guys.

Peter Rhea · 13-10-2013 1:15pm

'Clear' means you don't need a card. The tivùsat channels are free-to-view (FTV): the card system is only to control who can view the channels, not to extract payment for viewing.

I believe tivùsat exists to fill in gaps in Italian terrestrial coverage, a function performed in Ireland by Saorsat, rather than to provide an international service. Saorsat doesn't need a card, as coverage is limited by other means.

Big Davey · 13-10-2013 6:11pm

Peter Rhea wrote: »

'Clear' means you don't need a card. The tivùsat channels are free-to-view (FTV): the card system is only to control who can view the channels, not to extract payment for viewing.

I believe tivùsat exists to fill in gaps in Italian terrestrial coverage, a function performed in Ireland by Saorsat, rather than to provide an international service. Saorsat doesn't need a card, as coverage is limited by other means.

I don't really get it why would they want to control who can view the channels ? If they are free........... I am reliably informed that the card system is long gone ?

The Cush · 13-10-2013 6:22pm

Big Davey wrote: »

I don't really get it why would they want to control who can view the channels ? If they are free...........

Programme rights issues I'd guess

Big Davey wrote: »

I am reliably informed that the card system is long gone ?

Still there according to this - http://www.tivu.tv/sat-eng/tivusat/index.aspx

Recent DS thread - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1825373

Box and pre-activated card here - http://www.sateuropa.co.uk/cart/catalog/foreign-smartcards/tivusat-italy-card-and-topfield-sbx-3100-receiver-pre-activated-1101146.html

Other links - http://www.tivusat.co.uk/index.php

Tivusat channels - http://en.kingofsat.net/pack-tivusat.php, http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servizi_televisivi_di_Tiv%C3%B9_Sat

Big Davey · 13-10-2013 8:05pm

Looks like you are spot on will have to get a box and card. It is not needed in Italy and that's where I was going wrong. Where are the best value boxes ? Ebay, Amazon, any model in particular to go for.
Thanks to all for your help so far.

kooga · 13-10-2013 8:07pm

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Some of the Mediaset channels are listed as 'clear': Italia 1, Rete 4 & Canale 5 among them.

Kooga could confirm if they are still receivable in the clear.

there are plenty of clear channels, a few of the mediasets are clear italia 1. will check later as wife watching x factor and will update what I have clear tonight!

kooga · 13-10-2013 8:31pm

ok Italian channels clear (there may be others but these are what I have scanned in)

Supertennis hd, rai 1-3, rete 4 canale 5, canale italia, italia 1 rai gulp, super, rai storia, rai sport 1 and 2 rai scala, rai med, dmax, rai news, tgcom24, real time, +1.

rai and rete have FTA champions league and Europa league.

re boxes you will pay big money for a box via a middleman on the web, if your partner is Italian, best bet is to buy the box in Italy using her Italian pps number (cant think of the term) with the card, a hd box is about the €150 mark.

STB · 13-10-2013 8:39pm

kooga wrote: »

ok Italian channels clear (there may be others but these are what I have scanned in)

Supertennis hd, rai 1-3, rete 4 canale 5, canale italia, italia 1 rai gulp, super, rai storia, rai sport 1 and 2 rai scala, rai med, dmax, rai news, tgcom24, real time, +1.

rai and rete have FTA champions league and Europa league.

re boxes you will pay big money for a box via a middleman on the web, if your partner is Italian, best bet is to buy the box in Italy using her Italian pps number (cant think of the term) with the card, a hd box is about the €150 mark.

Loads and loads of Italian channels are free. There are other Italian channels that not free but have known control words.

Big Davey · 14-10-2013 12:00pm

STB wrote: »

Loads and loads of Italian channels are free. There are other Italian channels that not free but have known control words.

Clean out your inbox pal I can't send you a message.
Thanks

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