Sinn Fein councillor ejected from DCC City Hall Meeting

MadsL

Live now

http://www.dublincity.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/98865

Sinn Fein councillors being thrown out after proposing motion to freeze council rents to prevent household charge being collected.

Iwasfrozen

MadsL wrote: »

Live now

http://www.dublincity.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/98865

Sinn Fein councillors being thrown out after proposing motion to freeze council rents to prevent household charge being collected.

Without even clicking the link I'm sure there's more to it then that.

AnonoBoy

You spend your evenings watching Dublin City Council meetings?

"Watch out for this guy! He's a wild one!"

MadsL

Motion to freeze rents
City Manager says he legally cannot
Sinn Fein go nuts
Monaghan Co Co apparently have already passed such motion.
Much shouting, 2 councillors ejected.

Chucken

Good lord, thats riviting stuff altogether. Why wasn't I told about this before

Can we watch other council meetings?

MadsL

AnonoBoy wrote: »

You spend your evenings watching Dublin City Council meetings?

"Watch out for this guy! He's a wild one!"

Was a motion on the concrete yoke outside city hall.
Anyway, it is less soul-destroying than X-factor.

Boombastic

Why should they freeze them? The tenants are already receiving them at subsidised rates

Where To

I have 4,526 hairs on my forearm. Never knew that 'til I clicked that video.

MadsL

Where To wrote: »

I have 4,526 hairs on my forearm. Never knew that 'til I clicked that video.

You were expecting a fist fight perhaps?

washman3

interesting thread but should be moved to Politics or Accomodation and Property forum. not as many smart-asses over there:D
something that will become very relevant though in the months ahead, will hopefully lead to an end to 'upward only' rent reviews that have protected the Government cronies since time began.

MadsL

Boombastic wrote: »

Why should they freeze them? The tenants are already receiving them at subsidised rates

Who owns the property?

MadsL

washman3 wrote: »

interesting thread but should be moved to Politics or Accomodation and Property forum. not as many smart-asses over there:D
something that will become very relevant though in the months ahead, will hopefully lead to an end to 'upward only' rent reviews that have protected the Government cronies since time began.

Given that it was happening live, was why I posted in AH.

smash

Stay tuned lads, they might go back and blow the place up...

Boombastic

MadsL wrote: »

Who owns the property?

Who cares? Who lives in it?

fasttalkerchat

Boombastic wrote: »

Why should they freeze them? The tenants are already receiving them at subsidised rates

They receive them at a normal rate which doesn't include the cost of buying a landlords house for them.

Seaneh

Boombastic wrote: »

Who cares? Who lives in it?

So tenants should have to pay a tax for owning a property even though they don't actually own the property?

That's ****ing daft now, isn't it?

MadsL

Boombastic wrote: »

Who cares? Who lives in it?

The owner is liable for a property tax are they not?

Boombastic

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

They receive them at a normal rate which doesn't include the cost of buying a landlords house for them.

A normal rate?

So it's not assessed on income? #



Also

COUNCIL tenants will be allowed buy their homes from next year at a discount of up to 60pc off the market price.

sfwcork

Boombastic wrote: »

Who cares? Who lives in it?

Its called property tax.. Ie the tax on the property

If u drive a company car should u pay the tax if u drive it out of office hours

Owner pays the tax as he owns the property

Stop trolling and go to bed

boombang

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

They receive them at a normal rate which doesn't include the cost of buying a landlords house for them.

I don't agree. If the property is rented from the council at rents lower than comparable properties in the private rental market then the rent should be considered subsidised.

If you look at the rental rates for council properties in Dublin you will see that the rates are very much subsidised compared to homes of similar standards in the open market. Hence the large waiting lists.

Fr_Dougal

sfwcork wrote: »

Its called property tax.. Ie the tax on the property

If u drive a company car should u pay the tax if u drive it out of office hours

Owner pays the tax as he owns the property

Stop trolling and go to bed

Like BIK?

Chinasea

Council rents are exceptionally low.

Tenants get the right to buy at exceptionally low rates.

User should pay imo. We all need to contribute something.

vincit qui se vincit

Time to increase council rents. There's too many people in this country expecting everything to be paid for them, while they ensure they have enough money to go off to Spain for a good holiday each year, returning each time to plead the béal bocht to the local CWO (Community Welfare Officer) and get money handed over to them from the state for things as diverse as a clothing allowance, a new cooker or washing machine allowance and a plethora of other things. These people exist in large numbers, but one wouldn't think it from the lack of public acknowledgement. It's the sense of entitlement which rankles most with me. For this underclass, their daily achievement is when they get something for nothing (usually from the state). Happy campers, then. The idea of gaining self-value and esteem through effort of any sort appears not to resonate with these people. And this is now generational.


The Shinners are merely slow Fianna Failers. Contemptible little mé féiner opportunists, each of whom have both eyes focused on the next election and not a care in the world for the good of society. Like the Free State politics which they once claimed to revile and despise, they now embrace the game. Next they'll be promising the abolition of all local rates - if they haven't done so already - even though we're all aware of the chaos that happened when FF did that in 1979. Their only redeeming feature is that they still annoy everybody in Independent Newspapers.

Sinn Féin, as with far too many political representatives of the Labour party, are there to support the underclass not the working class of our society. It is we PAYE citizens who get it in the neck each time. And as a group we deserve it because we generally will not march in enormous numbers to oppose anything, no matter how iniquitous or unfair things like paying the debt of private corporations is to our society and the generations of the future.

suicide_circus

MadsL wrote: »

Was a motion on the concrete yoke outside city hall.

What was the result on the concrete turd????

latenia

Chinasea wrote: »

Council rents are exceptionally low.

Their rents are so low they're actually zero in many cases because the scrounger class have realised that nothing will happen to them if they don't pay even the pittance required of them. I've said it here about other issues in the city but the council is dominated by politicians and officials who treat the vast sums (over €300M a year) extorted from businesses and the city's infrastructure and institutions as means of imposing their own half-baked populist socialism and inept and ignorant planning controls. Has there been a single case of a council tenant being evicted for non-payment of rent ever?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1228/1224309551172.html

MadsL

We are on item 2 after an hour. Not going well this meeting.

suicide_circus

latenia wrote: »

Their rents are so low they're actually zero in many cases because the scrounger class have realised that nothing will happen to them if they don't pay even the pittance required of them. I've said it here about other issues in the city but the council is dominated by politicians and officials who treat the vast sums (over €300M a year) extorted from businesses and the city's infrastructure and institutions as means of imposing their own half-baked populist socialism and inept and ignorant planning controls. Has there been a single case of a council tenant being evicted for non-payment of rent ever?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1228/1224309551172.html

Haha very true. Never even considered this actually. Sure they know their "entitlements" and the gobshiite taxpayers will continue to provide.

Twoandahalfmen

of course they were.
Typical they propose a motion to help the people of ireland out with money and they get kicked out because are government dont agree with it.

Sinn fein will be in government soon enough

suicide_circus

Twoandahalfmen wrote: »

Sinn fein will be in government soon enough

http://justanothersimpsonsblog.tumblr.com/image/24256850066

fasttalkerchat

boombang wrote: »

I don't agree. If the property is rented from the council at rents lower than comparable properties in the private rental market then the rent should be considered subsidised.

If you look at the rental rates for council properties in Dublin you will see that the rates are very much subsidised compared to homes of similar standards in the open market. Hence the large waiting lists.

A mortgage lasts 15-20 years so a Landlord will expect a full return on investment plus profit within that time.
After 30 years a house would be in need of refurbishment (not counting redecoration), however it could be assumed to hold half of its value. So a not for profit group or council would expect a return on investment of 50% over 30 years.

MadsL

So DCC have to pay property tax but Govt buildings are exempt from rates...

seems fair :rolleyes: