Cardinal O'Brien admits his 'sexual conduct fell well below standard.

Bertie Woot

Britain's top Catholic Cardinal O'Brien admits his 'sexual conduct fell well below the standards expected of a priest'.

• Cardinal Keith O'Brien faces claims of inappropriate attention by four men
• He apologised to those he has 'offended' and asked for forgiveness
• The cleric said he will play 'no further part' in the Catholic Church
• One of the men, a former priest, says church has not acted ethically
• O'Brien, 74, stepped down as Archbishop of St Andrew's and Edinburgh
• Will no longer travel to Rome to help elect successor to Pope Benedict XVI

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287430/BREAKING-NEWS-Britains-Catholic-Cardinal-OBrien-admits-sexual-conduct-fell-standards-expected-priest.html

As it has been alleged that the Pope himself retired because of spiralling paedophilia within the RCC, his role in it; specifically being aware of it and not taking appropriate action, and also the presence of a "gay network" within the RCC, is it not now time the Roman Catholic Church wound up all operations?

IamtheWalrus

Let's hope the rest of them follow.

lmaopml

No it wouldn't really merit folding up because there are billions of us and we were not all abused or abusers - and we don't want it to just fold up because there are some bad people.

There are some stinkers in there, and I think it's important to acknowledge that there are stinkers who should be brought to justice - properly and fairly and not on heresay - while balancing it with the fact that there are millions of us who aren't stinkers.

When Jesus instituted his church he didn't say that all the good seeds are on one side of the field and all the weeds on the other - he said they are all in the one field and he will be the final judge - this is the picture of the faithful in Scripture, and it's something that most Catholics know that they have to deal with.

5uspect

Another classic example of Haggard's Law?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Haggard%27s_Law

Bertie Woot

lmaopml wrote: »

No it wouldn't really merit folding up because there are billions of us and we were not all abused or abusers - and we don't want it to just fold up because there are some bad people.

There are some stinkers in there, and I think it's important to acknowledge that there are stinkers who should be brought to justice - properly and fairly and not on heresay - while balancing it with the fact that there are millions of us who aren't stinkers.

When Jesus instituted his church he didn't say that all the good seeds are on one side of the field and all the weeds on the other - he said they are all in the one field and he will be the final judge - this is the picture of the faithful in Scripture, and it's something that most Catholics know that they have to deal with.

Good and bad seeds all in the one field indeed.

"Today, sexual abuse allegations against priests are surging in a startling array of nations: the United States and Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, The Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Bolivia, Mexico, Brazil and Chile. New abuse scandals erupt daily. The John Jay School of Criminal Justice estimates that, in the U.S. alone between 1950 and 2002 hundreds of thousands of children have been sexually abused by Catholic Clergy.

In fact, the Catholic Church has a 2,000 year history of sex abuse. In their acclaimed book, Sex, Priests and Secret Codes (2006), Father Thomas Doyle, with former monks Richard Sipes and Patrick Wall, used its own documents to confirm the Church’s 2,000-year problem with clerical sex abuse.

Why has the Church been plagued by so much pedophilia – predominantly homosexual? And why has a scandal regarding this situation erupted only now?"

Read on:

http://www.alternet.org/story/146920/what's_really_behind_the_catholic_church's_sexual_abuse_problem

jonniebgood1

I would give him some credit for what appears to be 'falling on ones sword'. He could have tried to squirm out of this but has not done so.

Manach

At a personal level, I'd feel a measure of sympathy for the Cardinal and his personal issues and the media pressure he'd have undergone through for this and his previous work in defending Catholic doctrine. Also, to commend those who stepped forward to bring this issue to the fore. The Church is one of the foremost institutions in the world and needs to deal with these matters in the true traditional of its founder in an open an charitable manner.

Bertie Woot

Manach wrote: »

At a personal level, I'd feel a measure of sympathy for the Cardinal and his personal issues and the media pressure he'd have undergone through for this and his previous work in defending Catholic doctrine. Also, to commend those who stepped forward to bring this issue to the fore. The Church is one of the foremost institutions in the world and needs to deal with these matters in the true traditional of its founder in an open an charitable manner.

The RCC has gone to extreme lengths so cover up all paedophile activity within its ranks. The Pope resigned because of child abuse, and the cardinal has resigned because other Priests he abused blew the whistle on him. The RCC is full of active paedophiles, it is not "foremost", it is a secretive, esoteric organisation which has attempted to cover its tracks, and the level of child abuse that has come to the fore and been made known is the tip of a very large iceberg. Dealing with paedophilia in an "open and charitable manner" has not been the way of the RCC.

ArmaniJeanss

Bertie Woot wrote: »

Britain's top Catholic Cardinal O'Brien admits his 'sexual conduct fell well below the standards expected of a priest'.

• Cardinal Keith O'Brien faces claims of inappropriate attention by four men
• He apologised to those he has 'offended' and asked for forgiveness
• The cleric said he will play 'no further part' in the Catholic Church
• One of the men, a former priest, says church has not acted ethically
• O'Brien, 74, stepped down as Archbishop of St Andrew's and Edinburgh
• Will no longer travel to Rome to help elect successor to Pope Benedict XVI

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287430/BREAKING-NEWS-Britains-Catholic-Cardinal-OBrien-admits-sexual-conduct-fell-standards-expected-priest.html

As it has been alleged that the Pope himself retired because of spiralling paedophilia within the RCC, his role in it; specifically being aware of it and not taking appropriate action, and also the presence of a "gay network" within the RCC, is it not now time the Roman Catholic Church wound up all operations?

Why the leap from homosexuality to paedophilia in your post?
I'd like to think that in 2013 that people no longer link the two in their mind.

Manach

Bertie Woot wrote: »

The RCC has gone to extreme lengths so cover up all paedophile activity within its ranks. The Pope resigned because of child abuse, and the cardinal has resigned because other Priests he abused blew the whistle on him. The RCC is full of active paedophiles, it is not "foremost", it is a secretive, esoteric organisation which has attempted to cover its tracks, and the level of child abuse that has come to the fore and been made known is the tip of a very large iceberg. Dealing with paedophilia in an "open and charitable manner" has not been the way of the RCC.

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Bertie Woot

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Why the leap from homosexuality to paedophilia in your post?
I'd like to think that in 2013 that people no longer link the two in their mind.

Most cases of paedophilia within the RCC have been homosexual in nature. Most Priests have sexually molested boys not girls. That's just a fact.

philologos

Admittedly it's revelation after revelation that makes me think that if I were a regular congregant in the RCC that I'd have to leave at this point.

I'm fascinated to see the sheer faithfulness you guys have but I couldn't do it.

After all not being Roman Catholic doesn't really make me less Christian.

Benny_Cake

I initially left this open as the allegations against the former cardinal were by priests who were adults at the time the alleged abuse took place. As the OP moved with disturbing speed to link that with paedophilia, I'm closing this as we already have a thread dedicated to the clerical child abuse scandals here.