GOLF DSG

ipodrocker

hi guys im looking at getting a golf with DSG, read some thread but they are a new years old at this stage.

What are your recommendations on DSG, worth to squeeze the budget?

gollywog

I absolutely love my dsg anyway

ipodrocker

what are you driving?

gollywog

ipodrocker wrote: »

what are you driving?

Mk5 gti here also. Absolutely love it, especially the DSG, makes the car!

ipodrocker

gollywog wrote: »

Mk5 gti here also. Absolutely love it, especially the DSG, makes the car!

what are the advantages over a manual, the type of driving i do during the week is city driving and longer drives at night and the weekends.

George Dalton

Any of our customers almost without exception who have DSG cars absolutely love them. I think that says it all really!

enumbers

Same here only look after 4 cars with dsgs at the moment but no complaints from any of them, seriously quick changes on the gti

JJJJNR

One thing America got right is the automatic gear box.

Gael23

My grandparents just bought one yesterday with the 1.6 TDI. Mostly read positive things but read a few reviews about problems with the 7 speed box

RandomAccess

JJJJNR wrote: »

One thing America got right is the automatic gear box.

Don't know about that, it took the Germans to make ones that didn't suck quite so much.

Well put it this way, VAG were forced in the U.S and China by court order to offer 10 years or 100,000 mile warranty with the DSG because failures are so common. Consumer protection in the E.U has always been rubbish.

Make sure if you buy 2nd hand that the oil was changed in the DSG if it can't be proved then run a mile, it's essential every 40,000 miles. I don't think any dealers do it here.

This is a very expensive box to repair.

I also found it very laggy and it seemed to hunt for gears a lot more frequently than I liked, and with lower powered engines I found it changing down too much when not needed, the DSG works best with higher powered engines like the 2.0L 140 hp TDI.

The saving grace with the DSG is the manual mode, but that defeats the purpose of an automatic ? Audi's multitronic is one of the best automatics I ever drove !

OSI

OSI wrote: »

8ms is laggy?

8ms me arse, more like 2-3 seconds. And hunting for the correct gear to be in and dropping a gear or two with the slightest touch of the throttle, then hitting the throttle from stop was very laggy, it was common, but maybe the new ones are better and I never drove the 7 speed, but I wasn't overly impressed, but it did take the sting out of traffic but it was far from perfect.

Once up and going with the foot to the floor it may have 8ms changes but the rest of it made for an unpleasant experience, not to mention going up steel hills I found the thing red lining where it absolutely didn't need to. Sure you could change to manual, but what's the point ?

OSI

OSI wrote: »

I don't know what you were driving to be honest but it certainly wasn't a DSG if you think the gear shifts were taking 2-3 seconds. In day to day driving the gear shifts in the DSG are practically imperceptible. For the first 2 weeks I would look down expecting to see it in 3rd or 4th to find it was 6th and I hadn't even noticed it leaving second.

Please, I did notice when I bought the damn yoke, and yeah I'm lying for the sake of it, jesus!

As I said once up and running the changes were pretty instant but in slow traffic or starting from stop, coming to roundabout and hitting the throttle, confused it.

I drove 30,000 miles in a DSG and I swore never again and because of it wanting to drop gears earlier than it needed, fuel consumption suffered, so I found myself using manual in all but town traffic.

As I said it's a while since I drove one and there have been many known problems with the DSG and I never drove the 7 speed. Maybe they are improved.

Give me Multitronic any day!!!

Oafley Jones

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Please, I did notice when I bought the damn yoke, and yeah I'm lying for the sake of it, jesus!

As I said once up and running the changes were pretty instant but in slow traffic or starting from stop, coming to roundabout and hitting the throttle, confused it.

I drove 30,000 miles in a DSG and I swore never again and because of it wanting to drop gears earlier than it needed, fuel consumption suffered, so I found myself using manual in all but town traffic.

As I said it's a while since I drove one and there have been many known problems with the DSG and I never drove the 7 speed. Maybe they are improved.

Give me Multitronic any day!!!

That's a fairly well known issue with DSG.

What's happening from Honest John..

With DSGs, protective software can delay the message from brake switch to ECU that brakes have been released, allowing car to enter a junction or roundabout on the fuel in the combustion chambers, then momentarily shut off mid-junction.

Oafley Jones

Oafley Jones wrote: »

That's a fairly well known issue with DSG.

What's happening from Honest John..

With DSGs, protective software can delay the message from brake switch to ECU that brakes have been released, allowing car to enter a junction or roundabout on the fuel in the combustion chambers, then momentarily shut off mid-junction.

Ahhhh maybe that was it, I don't know but I found it to be quiet dangerous sometimes, but maybe they have fixed it but there does seem to be a lot of DSG failures still. Mine didn't actually fail but I got rid of it.

KamiKazi

OSI wrote: »

8ms is laggy?

How dare you question someone who said VAG instead of the actual car make??

Don't you know that means they know more about cars than you ever could? :pac:

thecomedian

The best auto I've driven. You don't notice the changes when driving. Can be a bit slow when taking off say at a junction but not a problem, I'd just be picky to point it out.

thecomedian

thecomedian wrote: »

The best auto I've driven. You don't notice the changes when driving. Can be a bit slow when taking off say at a junction but not a problem, I'd just be picky to point it out.

I think the DSG/Stronic would be better suited to higher powered engines, like all auto's because I found that with the 1.9 105 it thought it had to change down a lot even though the engine had sufficient torque to maintain the speed in manual mode, in auto it would change down way too early.

Going up hills was an even bigger pain in the ass as it would constantly select too low a gear so I had no choice but to select manual, this was obviously a software issue and maybe it's better now.

This didn't happen with Audi's Multitronic which knew you were going up a steep hill or down a steep hill and going down a steep hill it would change ratios and use engine braking, fantastic automatic.

These days you wouldn't know it's a multitronic as it changes ratios like the DSG and butter smooth, so you don't get that rubber band effect when you hit the throttle and how they managed such smooth changes is beyond me, that's in the new A6, I think the A4 still is programmed like a normal CVT but I could be wrong, but I know the 2008 model was like a normal CVT and nothing wrong with that.

gollywog

I have to agree with OSI here... On my car with DSG you wouldn't even notice the car changing gears, actually except when it's cold and then sometimes it takes a split second longer and it's more noticeable then. But all other times its absolutely seamless. Maybe on the lower power engines it takes a little longer??

gollywog

gollywog wrote: »

I have to agree with OSI here... On my car with DSG you wouldn't even notice the car changing gears, actually except when it's cold and then sometimes it takes a split second longer and it's more noticeable then. But all other times its absolutely seamless. Maybe on the lower power engines it takes a little longer??

It's isn't just about cog swapping times while the car is up and running, it's about the time it takes to get going from stop or the time it takes to decide what gear to be in when coming up to a roundabout with your foot on the brake and then wanting the power again. Though some auto's also have this lag not just dsg.

Fords Twin Clutch is supposed to be better. But again I haven't tested the DSG in a few years. It's just the DSG world wide seems to be unreliable and not something I would buy out of warranty.

R.O.R

Mad Lad, you must be confusing the different auto boxes I'm the VAG's, because the DSG is a fantastic gearbox, whereas the Multitronic is a laggy heap of carp.

Gael23

Are there any issues with parking or reversing in tight spaces with the DSG?

R.O.R

R.O.R wrote: »

Mad Lad, you must be confusing the different auto boxes I'm the VAG's, because the DSG is a fantastic gearbox, whereas the Multitronic is a laggy heap of carp.

I'm not confusing anything I lived with the dsg for around 30,000 miles and the multitronic for 100,000 miles.


But I'd really like a spin in the latest DSG if someone wants to offer, seriously I would appreciate it.

Maybe they are better but the 06 one I had wasn't good.

The Multitronic in my 2003 A3 was a bit laggy but it's far better in the new one in the A6.

steve1984

I drove a 2009 scirocco DSG and the gear changes were good.did not have a long test drive but i was impressed.I am toying with the idea of manual or DSG in the Mk7 gti.Will it be worth the extra cost.

steve1984

steve1984 wrote: »

I drove a 2009 scirocco DSG and the gear changes were good.did not have a long test drive but i was impressed.I am toying with the idea of manual or DSG in the Mk7 gti.Will it be worth the extra cost.

well sure, if you like it why wouldn't it be worth it ?

Gael23

OSI wrote: »

Well, I still have both my bumpers, so I'm gonna so no :pac:

The DSG is designed to creep from stop when you lift off the break, so it's very easy to control the car at low speed with just the break pedal. Plus, the gear selector is designed to rock back and forth between drive and reverse without having to use the unlock button every time which is rather nice to have.

I haven't actually seen it myself yet, only the manual. That means then its really easy if your reversing to go quickly into forward gear?
I think its amazing how there can actually be a slight improvement in fuel economy with the DSG as with autos its usuallly a drop

ryanf1

ryanf1 wrote: »

I haven't actually seen it myself yet, only the manual. That means then its really easy if your reversing to go quickly into forward gear?
I think its amazing how there can actually be a slight improvement in fuel economy with the DSG as with autos its usuallly a drop

Those are manufacturer claims, maybe for the 7 speed but not for the 6 speed.

But then again a lot of people can't drive a manual and so can't get proper efficiency with one either.

There probably wouldn't be much in the difference, but you might find you have to use manual mode sometimes to hold the gears longer.

OSI

OSI wrote: »

It really depends. If you're driving a 1.9TDI that needs the **** ragged out of it to manage more than 12mph, than yeah, you're probably going to be getting fairly poor mileage as the box is going to be swapping cogs a lot. However, in anything with a decent bit of poke, it gets up to 6/7th very quickly and stays there till you plant the foot or drop below 60km/h.

You can also use manual if you find it changing down too often, that was a big problem for me.

Like all autos, they are better suited to higher powered engines.

I would say that Drive should be set as an over drive of some sort and Sport where it red lines and changes down like it does in Drive. It's just the way they program the ECU, I found the 1.9 had the torque just the box didn't have a clue.

thecomedian

ryanf1 wrote: »

Are there any issues with parking or reversing in tight spaces with the DSG?

None really, it works fine.
I'm not a fan of autos but I think the DSG is a great one.

Gael23

Deleted User wrote: »

Those are manufacturer claims, maybe for the 7 speed but not for the 6 speed.

But then again a lot of people can't drive a manual and so can't get proper efficiency with one either.

There probably wouldn't be much in the difference, but you might find you have to use manual mode sometimes to hold the gears longer.

OSI wrote: »

It really depends. If you're driving a 1.9TDI that needs the **** ragged out of it to manage more than 12mph, than yeah, you're probably going to be getting fairly poor mileage as the box is going to be swapping cogs a lot. However, in anything with a decent bit of poke, it gets up to 6/7th very quickly and stays there till you plant the foot or drop below 60km/h.

This one is the 1.6 105bhp 7 speed so should be good. I know the 1.6 TDi manual 90bhp is capable of high 50s so would expect at least that

Should easily get 55 mpg in the 7speed 105.

The 7 speed is a different breed than the 6.

gollywog

Mad_Lad wrote: »

I'm not confusing anything I lived with the dsg for around 30,000 miles and the multitronic for 100,000 miles.


But I'd really like a spin in the latest DSG if someone wants to offer, seriously I would appreciate it.

Maybe they are better but the 06 one I had wasn't good.

The Multitronic in my 2003 A3 was a bit laggy but it's far better in the new one in the A6.

I have an 06 gti and the box is lightning quick and very smooth, once warmed up.

But maybe the DSG in lower powered cars is a little different? Maybe George or someone can confirm this??

rocky

Hah! Multitronic much better than DSG... if only it wasn't the ****tiest gearbox ever!

Yes Mad Lad, your experience repeated ad nauseaum says otherwise...

Look at all these people having problems with properly serviced multitronics

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=86&t=293692&mid=380695&i=0&nmt=Audi%27s+MultiTronic+Gearbox&mid=380695

Gael23

Deleted User wrote: »

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The 7 speed is a different breed than the 6.

In a good or bad way?

galwaytt

Deleted User wrote: »

Like all autos, they are better suited to higher powered engines.

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I'm going to say no to that: I did 25k miles in a Golf Plus with the 1.9/105bhp engine and I thought it was brilliant.

And as for Multitronic - you must be kidding. A completely rubbish box that's noisy and nasty and unreliable to boot. Don't believe me ? - try trading one in.........

galwaytt

OSI wrote: »

It really depends. If you're driving a 1.9TDI that needs the **** ragged out of it .....

Tbh, if you're ragging and driving the shoite out of a 105bhp 1.9 you bought the wrong car in the first place. That doesn't make the gearbox rubbish - you're asking it to make up for buying the wrong engine.

rocky

rocky wrote: »

Hah! Multitronic much better than DSG... if only it wasn't the ****tiest gearbox ever!

Yes Mad Lad, your experience repeated ad nauseaum says otherwise...

Look at all these people having problems with properly serviced multitronics

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=86&t=293692&mid=380695&i=0&nmt=Audi%27s+MultiTronic+Gearbox&mid=380695

Loads of people having problems with dsg too, no auto is perfect.

VAG were forced by the courts to offer 10 year 100,000 mile warranty on the DSG in the U.S and China, so it isn't so reliable.

Early multitronics had problems for sure, and my 2003 A4 B6 had it's Multitronic ECU replaced but it never failed once in the 100,000 miles I had it and it had just over 200,000 miles when I sold it.

The newer multitronics are pretty sound.

galwaytt

galwaytt wrote: »

Tbh, if you're ragging and driving the shoite out of a 105bhp 1.9 you bought the wrong car in the first place. That doesn't make the gearbox rubbish - you're asking it to make up for buying the wrong engine.

The problem was with the programming of the DSG ECU, the 1.9 had the torque and didn't need to change down.

galwaytt

galwaytt wrote: »

I'm going to say no to that: I did 25k miles in a Golf Plus with the 1.9/105bhp engine and I thought it was brilliant.

And as for Multitronic - you must be kidding. A completely rubbish box that's noisy and nasty and unreliable to boot. Don't believe me ? - try trading one in.........

It's a matter of personal taste, the new multitronic in the A6 changes just like the dsg. And at first I thought it was a DSG but it's not.

But anyone willing to give me a spin in their dsg please do and I'll be happy to say they are better than they used to be.

I haven't got any offers yet.

gollywog

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a matter of personal taste, the new multitronic in the A6 changes just like the dsg. And at first I thought it was a DSG but it's not.

But anyone willing to give me a spin in their dsg please do and I'll be happy to say they are better than they used to be.

I haven't got any offers yet.

If your ever in the gorey/courtown area, drop me a PM. Im serious btw