Which line do you stop at?

akura

Hi,
I was wondering which line you stop at?, Do you stop at the last one (Furthest to the new road) if there is no pedestrians crossing?. or do you stop at the first line and then roll on and stop at the last one?

sorry if it's hard to understand what i'm saying:P

Thanks

Alanstrainor

What kind of dope painted the markings for that junction :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'd stop at the first line, initially I was going to say stop at the last one, but I can see the old STOP markings have been removed, and replaced with the newer/further in STOP marking.

No matter what way you take that horrendous junction, I would imagine the tester would take whatever approach you decided on yourself, as it's just awful.

Faith+1

^^^ +1 Like Alan said I'd stop at the first line.

toastedpickles

Definitely the first line, because if you go over the pedestrian crossing you're blocking it and that's a mark against you in a test, so yeah first one, also a medal for the idiot who done that

loobylou

I would say the second one. Why stop at a crossing if the crossing is clear?
The STOP marking refers to the end of the road, it has simply been repainted further back, to allow for the "crossing".

ADIDriving

Stop at the first line. Then if nobody is crossing creep up to the last line or dive out. This way you have obeyed the law of stopping before the line. This does not appear to be any official type of crossing, it is just a designated crossing point. If a person wants to cross while you are on the lines, they simply have to wait.

Del2005

loobylou wrote: »

I would say the second one. Why stop at a crossing if the crossing is clear?
The STOP marking refers to the end of the road, it has simply been repainted further back, to allow for the "crossing".

Stupid design, or lack of. But stop at the line closest to the road. Why is there even markings for a pedestrian crossing, with no lights? If the pedestrian crossing lines wheren't there you would stop at the road and block pedestrians.

Do you even need to stop there? I can't see a stop sign in the picture and AFAIK lines aren't statutory.

akura

Thanks everyone for the answers:)

I passes this morning:) the tester didn't take out that road so I'm happy

Alanstrainor

akura wrote: »

Thanks everyone for the answers:)

I passes this morning:) the tester didn't take out that road so I'm happy

Congrats:D

J_R

Hi,

I would assume it is an "advanced Stop line for cyclists", or an Irish version thereof. These are used in the UK.

As per the Highway Code

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Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.

The council should take adverts in the local papers explaining the new markings before introducing them.

If in any doubt at a junction you should always stop at the first line, then creep forward. If the proper "Stop" line is the first line and you proceed past then you have driven into the danger zone.

ADIDriving

J_R wrote: »

I would assume it is an "advanced Stop line for cyclists", or an Irish version thereof. These are used in the UK.

It's not. The first two lines go the full with of the road.

Alanstrainor

ADIDriving wrote: »

It's not. The first two lines go the full with of the road.

+1, it absolutely is not.

J_R

Hi

I did post

I would assume it is an "advanced Stop line for cyclists", or an Irish version thereof.

My reasoning for it to be a cyclists stop line?., the last line is too far forward for it to be a STOP line for vehicles. It allows no room for error in stopping behind it. It is also past the pavement so by the time a vehicle has come to a full stop they might already have 'taken out' a pedestrian or two or perhaps a cyclist riding on the pavement. (And if cyclists do bother to stop, it is the most likely point at which they would do so).

So looked for an logical explanation and came up with above. But I have never seen such markings. either in books or real life.

And ADIDriving did write in his first post

ADIDriving wrote: »

Stop at the first line.

. Which makes sense, whither it is supposed to be an official stop line or not.

Ask the council for an explanation

ADIDriving

J_R wrote: »

...the last line is too far forward for it to be a STOP line for vehicles.

The last line is the official stop line. People 'should' be able to figure out that they should stop before a hitting a person crossing in front of them. There are better examples that I have seen. Where the stop line is before the lines for pedestrians. The cyclist stop lines to feature at traffic lights a lot (as shown in the ROTR).
All told it is just another example of messy road markings.

LordSutch

You should always STOP at the 1st line.

. . . although many Irish drivers don't :cool:

ADIDriving

LordSutch wrote: »

You should always STOP at the 1st line.

. . . although many Irish drivers don't :cool:

Almost always.
You should always stop at the first stop line if you are driving a motor vehicle.
Although I have said earlier that one should ere on the side of caution and stop at the first line. There is only one stop line in the picture. It is the third line. The first two lines mark the area for pedestrians to walk between. It there are no pedestrians crossing then they become irrelevant.

Del2005

LordSutch wrote: »

You should always STOP at the 1st line.

. . . although many Irish drivers don't :cool:

What if the 1st line isn't a statutory road marking? Which this one isn't.

The Stop line is on the road junction, the council have just drawn extra lines here to confuse people.

Alanstrainor

Del2005 wrote: »

What if the 1st line isn't a statutory road marking? Which this one isn't.

The Stop line is on the road junction, the council have just drawn extra lines here to confuse people.

+1, this is just a horrendously designed junction. It should never have been marked as such.

LordSutch

ADIDriving wrote: »

You should always stop at the first stop line if you are driving a motor vehicle.

Correct^

As a parent of young children what really hacks me off is drivers who go past the STOP line and onto the pedestrian crossing area [between the lines] which then puts pram pushers like me in a quandry, do we cross behind the car? or in front? With the answer being "neither" as the car shouldn't be there in the 1st place :mad:

I also drive a car, and have done for over thirty years both here and in Britain, and the other thing that hacks me off here in Ireland is when all too often some gormless driver will 'inch through a junction' until he/she stops at the final line, which then causes probs to oncoming turning vehicles (specially long vehicles like buses/lorries) who can't navigate the turning due to Mr Dimwits Gormless brain being too far forward on the junction!

I actually got caught on a junction recently where the driver had pulled so far through the junction that he might as well have gone the whole way, but he stopped just on the last line! > I was then facing him from the side aiming to turn into his path, space was very tight thanks to him, and I did manage to squeeze past his car, but what a clot, surely common sence tells you that inching past the lines to the edge of any juntcion will not make the lights change any faster.

Cars should always STOP at the 1st line

Rant over, and relax )

Del2005

LordSutch wrote: »

Correct^

As a parent of young children what really hacks me off is drivers who go past the STOP line and onto the pedestrian crossing area [between the lines] which then puts pram pushers like me in a quandry, do we cross behind the car? or in front? With the answer being "neither" as the car shouldn't be there in the 1st place :mad:

I also drive a car, and have done for over thirty years both here and in Britain, and the other thing that hacks me off here in Ireland is when all too often some gormless driver will 'inch through a junction' until he/she stops at the final line, which then causes probs to oncoming turning vehicles (specially long vehicles like buses/lorries) who can't navigate the turning due to Mr Dimwits Gormless brain being too far forward on the junction!

I actually got caught on a junction recently where the driver had pulled so far through the junction that he might as well have gone the whole way, but he stopped just on the last line! > I was then facing him from the side aiming to turn into his path, space was very tight thanks to him, and I did manage to squeeze past his car, but what a clot, surely common sence tells you that inching past the lines to the edge of any juntcion will not make the lights change any faster.

Cars should always STOP at the 1st line

Rant over, and relax )

If the road is marked correctly then yes you stop at the 1st line. But on the road in the OP the stop line is at the junction. The council have painted an illegal line across the road. If motorists and pedestrians obey the ROTR then there is no issue.

If a car has the junction a pedestrian can't cross and if a pedestrian has taken the junction a car has to stop and allow the pedestrian to cross.

LordSutch

Del2005 wrote: »

If the road is marked correctly then yes you stop at the 1st line. But on the road in the OP the stop line is at the junction. The council have painted an illegal line across the road.

Oh I totally agree that the junction pictured in post#1 is a total mess, the lines look like they were drawn by a child )

ADIDriving

LordSutch wrote: »

As a parent of young children what really hacks me off is drivers who go past the STOP line and onto the pedestrian crossing area [between the lines] which then puts pram pushers like me in a quandry, do we cross behind the car? or in front? With the answer being "neither" as the car shouldn't be there in the 1st place :mad:

If this is happening at traffic lights, that is very annoying all right. Very different to the picture above though. Where if a vehicle is on those lines before a pedestrian comes along they are perfectly entitled to be there.

I also drive a car, and have done for over thirty years both here and in Britain, and the other thing that hacks me off here in Ireland is when all too often some gormless driver will 'inch through a junction' until he/she stops at the final line, which then causes probs to oncoming turning vehicles (specially long vehicles like buses/lorries) who can't navigate the turning due to Mr Dimwits Gormless brain being too far forward on the junction!

If the 'final line' that the Gormless Dimwit stops at is the actual stop line they they are correct. If large vehicles can't turn that becomes there problem and they may need to let the other driver go to get the space they need. It would only be a matter of courtesy (and perhaps common sense)outside of the Rules of the Road, that would have a driver intentionally put themselves in the 'wrong' position to let a large vehicle through.

I actually got caught on a junction recently where the driver had pulled so far through the junction that he might as well have gone the whole way, but he stopped just on the last line! > I was then facing him from the side aiming to turn into his path, space was very tight thanks to him, and I did manage to squeeze past his car, but what a clot, surely common sence tells you that inching past the lines to the edge of any juntcion will not make the lights change any faster.

Again, a key point here is that this was at traffic lights. This behaviour is very annoying, at traffic lights.

Cars should always STOP at the 1st line

at traffic lights