wage scale in publis sector

daithicarr

I dont want to start another debate on the right or wrongs of the various levels of public sector pay, just establish what the actual figures are.

  I was reading the front page article in the sunday times, which stated that the government would require a 3 % pay cut on average for all the higher paid civil servants ( over €60,000) in order to secure their target saving of €350 million from that group.


Have I got this right, if €350 million represents 3%, then the total salary payments to this 50,000 or so civil servants represents €11.6 billion or so?


Which would average around €233,000 euro each, now given a lot will be at the lower end of the scale , that would mean some people are paid a significant amount . More than the €200,000 wage cap i thought the government had in place .


Are my calculations wrong, or is there somewhere else you can see these figures?


Given that the public sector wage bill is somewhere in and around 14 billion, either I must be wrong or the article.

does anyone have any links to proper figures?

twowheelsonly

AFAIK that figure is for 3 years.

noodler

50,000?

You know there are about 290,000 public servants right?

Only 30,000 of them are actually CIVIL servants.

I am sure the article was talking about a 3% paycut for the higher earners throughout the PS not just Civil Servants.

daithicarr

That would make more sense, then the average wage is about €77,000 for that 50,000 higher paid civil servants.

daithicarr

Sorry I keep mixing up the title civil servants, with the larger public sector workers.

thebman

daithicarr wrote: »

More than the €200,000 wage cap i thought the government had in place .

There are many people paid more than this at the top of some of the organisations in the public sector.

Such as the heads of CIE (though I guess technically it might be semi-state).

Plenty of other examples too. It is a very flexible wage cap

Godge

thebman wrote: »

There are many people paid more than this at the top of some of the organisations in the public sector.

Such as the heads of CIE (though I guess technically it might be semi-state).

Plenty of other examples too. It is a very flexible wage cap

Ok, let us leave out the commercial semi-states which are not part of Croke Park and the public sector pay norms. Give me examples, seeing as there are plenty of them, you should find them with Google in thirty seconds.

thebman

Godge wrote: »

Ok, let us leave out the commercial semi-states which are not part of Croke Park and the public sector pay norms. Give me examples, seeing as there are plenty of them, you should find them with Google in thirty seconds.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-breaches-govts-salary-cap-for-special-advisors-report-530842.html

https://www.google.ie/search?client=opera&q=breach+of+wage+cap+government&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest

Godge

thebman wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-breaches-govts-salary-cap-for-special-advisors-report-530842.html

https://www.google.ie/search?client=opera&q=breach+of+wage+cap+government&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest

The cap for advisers was €92,000 not €200,000 so the €200,000 cap was not breached - a different story

Irish Life is not a public sector organisation, the reference in that news story was to the cap on bankers salaries which is much higher than €200,000.

I have yet to see an example of the €200,000 cap for public servants being breached.

AlexisM

Godge wrote: »

I have yet to see an example of the €200,000 cap for public servants being breached.

Chief Justice on 227K? Being reduced to 210K under CP2 proposals.

creedp

AlexisM wrote: »

Chief Justice on 227K? Being reduced to 210K under CP2 proposals.

Isn't this because judiciary pay couldn't be reduced wihtout a referendum being passed. Well it was so I wonder will the reduction be retrospectively introduced?

Godge

creedp wrote: »

Isn't this because judiciary pay couldn't be reduced wihtout a referendum being passed. Well it was so I wonder will the reduction be retrospectively introduced?

Correct, but so far we have one person over the cap. hardly the scenarios as set out in the OP.

AlexisM

Godge wrote: »

Correct, but so far we have one person over the cap. hardly the scenarios as set out in the OP.

In fairness to the OP, he posted seeking to understand the numbers and realised that there was probably a flaw in his logic - he was hardly rabidly maintaining that there are many public servants on 200K+...

As an aside, I don't think it's fair to reduce judges' pay - they have generally given up high-earning legal jobs that they are not permitted to return to. Unlike other public sector workers, they are effectively locked into their jobs so worsening terms after the one-way leap doesn't seem fair.

skafish

Most civil and public service pay scales are available on circulars.gov.ie
EG http://circulars.gov.ie/pdf/circular/education/2010/06.pdf
Others are there too, but cos I'm off tomorrow, I going for a pint now:D:D:D