tyres wearing on one side

TheSunderz · 22-02-2013 8:06pm #1

hi all
my dad bought a toyoto avensis in 2011 and we noticed tat the front tyres are wearing on the outside of the tyre itself. have sent it to the garage but it is still noticeable.
Any ideas
Many thanks.:)

olcod · 22-02-2013 8:09pm

Get the wheels aligned from any good tyre center

blade1 · 22-02-2013 8:09pm

what did they do in the garage?

cml387 · 22-02-2013 8:12pm

This should be a simple fix for a garage.
Essentially whats happening in your case is that the front wheels are slightly pointing towards each other when they should be exactly parallel.
It's called tracking, and all tyre centres should have the ability to adjust it.

TheSunderz · 22-02-2013 8:13pm

the wheels have been aligned but it still happens???

TheSunderz · 22-02-2013 8:15pm

it has also been tracked but de lad in de garage says it seems to be a fault in them.

CiniO · 22-02-2013 8:15pm

cml387 wrote: »

This should be a simple fix for a garage.
Essentially whats happening in your case is that the front wheels are slightly pointing towards each other when they should be exactly parallel.
It's called tracking, and all tyre centres should have the ability to adjust it.

To be honest on FWD it's better if they are not exactly parallel.
They should be a tiny bit off each other.

F.e. OP's front tyres are most likely this: / \
For optimal driving they should be very very slightly like that: \ /

CiniO · 22-02-2013 8:17pm

TheSunderz wrote: »

it has also been tracked but de lad in de garage says it seems to be a fault in them.

Car was alligned and tracked? (as two separate jobs) ???

Garage man is saying that fault is in what? Tyres???

Maybe you should try another garage.

cml387 · 22-02-2013 8:20pm

CiniO wrote: »

Car was alligned and tracked? (as two separate jobs) ???

Garage man is saying that fault is in what? Tyres???

Maybe you should try another garage.

I would guess the "in them" refers to Avensis.

I haven't heard of any particular problem on Avensis's of that year.
A second opinion is called for. Unless the car had major front end damage and is off, this should not be a problem.

olcod · 22-02-2013 8:22pm

cml387 wrote: »

I would guess the "in them" refers to Avensis.

I haven't heard of any particular problem on Avensis's of that year.
A second opinion is called for. Unless the car had major front end damage and is off, this should not be a problem.

Was about to say does OP know the full history of the car ???

TheSunderz · 22-02-2013 8:23pm

sorry it wasnt alligned(my mistake) but he said it wasnt the problem! its under garentee but i thinks it goin for some sort of check next week! hopefuuly should know by then!

Cungi · 22-02-2013 8:30pm

TheSunderz wrote: »

the wheels have been aligned but it still happens???

Once the wheels have been aligned the tyre will still continue to wear on the one side.
Get new tyres.

TheSunderz · 22-02-2013 8:32pm

wats de point if they still wear so quick! new tyres arent cheap

Cungi · 22-02-2013 8:34pm

TheSunderz wrote: »

wats de point if they still wear so quick! new tyres arent cheap

If the alignment has been done, new tyres won't wear down on one side.

Mar4ix · 22-02-2013 8:36pm

TheSunderz wrote: »

wats de point if they still wear so quick! new tyres arent cheap

Actually tracking has to be done on new tires, there is no point do this on worn tires. if it is worn one side, it will continue wear.
get new tires and another garage.

if there is major structural problem, laser aligning wont be possible complete, and garage should inform you. also they have to give you printout of what alignment was before job , and after.

CiniO · 22-02-2013 8:57pm

Mar4ix wrote: »

Actually tracking has to be done on new tires, there is no point do this on worn tires.

Tracking is not done on tyres at all.
It's done on wheels, so what tyres are fitted completely doesn't matter.

if it is worn one side, it will continue wear.

No it won't continue to wear.
Once tracking is set right, tyres should wear evenly, but obviously if tyre is already more worn on outside, it won't miraculously get fixed. It will still be more worn on the outside.
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Mech1 · 22-02-2013 9:05pm

Tracking is not done on tyres at all.
It's done on wheels, so what tyres are fitted completely doesn't matter.

So you wouldn't advise checking tyre pressures etc, before tracking the "wheels" as it shouldnt matter what state the tyres are in?

CiniO · 22-02-2013 9:14pm

Mech1 wrote: »

So you wouldn't advise checking tyre pressures etc, before tracking the "wheels" as it shouldnt matter what state the tyres are in?

Exactly. State of tyre has absolutely nothing to do with tracking.

Rim is way more important. If rim is not straight, then tracking machinery might be fooled and tracking won't be set properly.

Mar4ix · 22-02-2013 9:22pm

CiniO wrote: »

Tracking is not done on tyres at all.
It's done on wheels, so what tyres are fitted completely doesn't matter.

No it won't continue to wear.
Once tracking is set right, tyres should wear evenly, but obviously if tyre is already more worn on outside, it won't miraculously get fixed. It will still be more worn on the outside.

goshhh .. yea, i know tracking is set from wheels , i was thinking in OP case do tracking not on worn one side tires, but on new tires.

... i failed nct, because out of tracking, but my tires was fine, i just did tracking, and passed nct.

Cungi · 22-02-2013 10:15pm

CiniO wrote: »

No it won't continue to wear.
Once tracking is set right, tyres should wear evenly, but obviously if tyre is already more worn on outside, it won't miraculously get fixed. It will still be more worn on the outside.

I would disagree with this. I worked in a tyre fitters (quite a while ago admittedly) and when being trained i was told once tyres wear on one side they will continue to wear even if tracking is done.

Supergurrier · 22-02-2013 10:19pm

My dads 2010 and 2012 D4D Avensis have not had this issue, go to a different garage and get some new tyres would be my advice

creedp · 22-02-2013 11:03pm

Cungi wrote: »

I would disagree with this. I worked in a tyre fitters (quite a while ago admittedly) and when being trained i was told once tyres wear on one side they will continue to wear even if tracking is done.

I had a seriuos tracking problem which almost wore the inside of my tyre to the thread, rest of the tyre was perfect. Swapped this tyre to the back and it wore out completely evenly .. even passed the NCT! Got an advisory to change though because it was close to 1.6mm across the remainder of the thread

CiniO · 22-02-2013 11:15pm

Cungi wrote: »

I would disagree with this. I worked in a tyre fitters (quite a while ago admittedly) and when being trained i was told once tyres wear on one side they will continue to wear even if tracking is done.

They will continue to wear, but evenly.

So for example.
You have a tyre with 6mm tread left, but only 3mm left on the side, because tracking was wrongly set. Now you set the tracking, and your tyre will continue to wear evenly.
So after some time, there will be 4mm tread left, but only 1mm left on the side.

Cungi · 22-02-2013 11:23pm

CiniO wrote: »

They will continue to wear, but evenly.

So for example.
You have a tyre with 6mm tread left, but only 3mm left on the side, because tracking was wrongly set. Now you set the tracking, and your tyre will continue to wear evenly.
So after some time, there will be 4mm tread left, but only 1mm left on the side.

Ah I get ya now. That makes sense

dgt · 23-02-2013 12:18am

OP I'd be looking for what the common fault is in them and rectifying that to prevent it happening again

Lookingforward · 09-03-2013 12:35am

I'm a Tyre fitter and Expert wheel aligner. Currently managing a Tyre garage.

Reasons for uneven wear usually come down to 4 things.

1. incorrect wheel alignment wears one side of the tyre, Negative tracking will wear the inside of the tyre, positive will wear the outside (some cars have adjustment on the front and the back). Same applies to camber (not all cars have camber adjustment) A lot of the more modern saloon cars have both tracking and camber adjustments on the back but no camber adjustment on the front).

2. Incorrect tyre pressure. if the tyres are wearing on both shoulders its low pressure. if they're wearing in the centre its high pressure.

3. Mechanical fault. basically something bent or worn will knock out your tracking. If it knocks out camber where it cant be adjusted its going to wear tyres and no amount of tracking will fix it. and if your garage is using basic equipment they wont know the camber is out. go to a garage with computerised wheel alignment (and someone who can use it).

4. Cheap tyres... what do you think they cut out when they make cheap tyres. there is a belt a couple of inches wide encircling the tyre shell just under the rubber. This supports the structure of the tyre and ensures even wear. In a cheap tyre its only an inch wide (approx)... may as well not be there at all.

This is by no means a completely comprehensive list but this covers most uneven wear complaints.

Bottom line take the car somewhere that will show you exactly how your wheels are lying and explain any discrepancies.

I hope this helps.

tyres wearing on one side

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