employement contract

simply simple

there is a big hype of employers providing extra efforts to make its employee acceptable and support to update them etc etc. but still at times you get the answer 'Sorry its not in our policy'. Isint it time for employees to also give a contract to their employers to sign in which they agree to what individual specifications or genuine demands are?
preparing contract (2 different) and signing contract should be done by both employers and employees

daveyeh

what the **** are you on about?

Noxin

The real question is: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Where To

Every day I find more and more reasons why we should bring back the workhouses.

Live, horse, and you'll get oats. How's that for a demand?

simply simple

Obviously there has to be some official format on this, not just oats and horses and ****

petes

I agree. If ever I find myself out of a job and an opportunity arises I will draw up a contract for the prospective employer to sign with my demands in it.

I'll be out of work for a while.

AnonoBoy

Personally I think hand driers are for chumps. God gave us pants for a reason - to wipe our hands on after washing them.

All this air-blade nonsense has really gone too far.

And what's with fizzy cola-bottles these days? They've not got half the flavour of the cola-bottles of my youth.

Huh? What about my rights?

What the hell is this thread about anyway?

Where To

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Personally I think hand driers are for chumps. God gave us pants for a reason - to wipe our hands on after washing them.

All this air-blade nonsense has really gone too far.

And what's with fizzy cola-bottles these days? They've not got half the flavour of the cola-bottles of my youth.

Huh? What about my rights?

What the hell is this thread about anyway?

People that want jobs but don't want to work.

davet82

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What the hell is this thread about anyway?

gay rights, i think?

hyperborean

simply simple wrote: »

there is a big hype of employers providing extra efforts to make its employee acceptable and support to update them etc etc. but still at times you get the answer 'Sorry its not in our policy'. Isint it time for employees to also give a contract to their employers to sign in which they agree to what individual specifications or genuine demands are?
preparing contract (2 different) and signing contract should be done by both employers and employees

Your P45 is at the door, bye bye now.



Now, only 500,000 in the labour pool to choose from :pac:

razorgil

f**k cola bottles, what about what "they" did to wham bars??? made them about 50% smaller, took out all the little fizzy bits, (well as good as all of them), and upped the price, what the f**ks goin on there??

simply simple

hyperborean wrote: »

Your P45 is at the door, bye bye now.



Now, only 500,000 in the labour pool to choose from :pac:

what if all those 500000 or at least 450000 give their contract to you to sign on?

Where To

simply simple wrote: »

what if all those 500000 or at least 450000 give their contract to you to sign on?

I move my large multinational to Morocco.

Bye now.

simply simple

Where To wrote: »

I move my large multinational to Morocco.

Bye now.

would you leave your employees here or take them with you, may be you will get some contracts to sign on from your employees after that to get your commitment and for security purpose

D1stant

[QUOTE=simply simple;83329535]there is a big hype of employers providing extra efforts to make its employee acceptable and support to update them etc etc. but still at times you get the answer 'Sorry its not in our policy'. Isint it time for employees to also give a contract to their employers to sign in which they agree to what individual specifications or genuine demands are?
preparing contract (2 different) and signing contract should be done by both employers and employees[/QUOTE]

Simply incomprehensible

simply simple

D1stant wrote: »

Simply incomprehensible

There always has to be a beginning for something new.

Where To

simply simple wrote: »

would you leave your employees here or take them with you, may be you will get some contracts to sign on from your employees after that to get your commitment and for security purpose

I've pulled out of your country and moved somewhere where my employees are glad of a job and don't think they are entitled to a hangover day every Monday and a twelve onch pizza on a Friday.

I don't care.

biko

The day a company comes to you OP and begs you to work for them, that's the day you get to make up your own contract.

simply simple

Where To wrote: »

I've pulled out of your country and moved somewhere where my employees are glad of a job and don't think they are entitled to a hangover day every Monday and a twelve onch pizza on a Friday.

I don't care.

You dont care! well then you surely have a few like me there already.God help you now!

simply simple

biko wrote: »

The day a company comes to you OP and begs you to work for them, that's the day you get to make up your own contract.

It was other way round during boom days but still they made employees to sign their contract so you see its totally irrelevant

Where To

simply simple wrote: »

You dont care! well then you surely have a few like me there already.God help you now!

Lalalalalala I can't hear you, I'm now set up in a central Asian ****hole where I'm allowed to shoot unproductive workers.

Contract my arse.

Jaxxy

simply simple wrote: »

It was other way round during boom days but still they made employees to sign their contract so you see its totally irrelevant

What?? Signing an employment contract doesn't mean you sign your rights away. Besides, the vast majority of them are extremely general.

hyperborean

simply simple wrote: »

what if all those 500000 or at least 450000 give their contract to you to sign on?

"See ye later alligator" its easy to get people to work for money without having to wipe their arse for them as well,

The sense of entitlement of some people is astonishing,

Here is the simple simple facts,

I have a job I need doing and I am willing to pay someone to do it,
Do I
a, find someone who wants to do it and pay them on completion
b, let someone tell me how they want it done and pay them anyway

Answers on a postcard

simply simple

Jaxxy wrote: »

What?? Signing an employment contract doesn't mean you sign your rights away. Besides, the vast majority of them are extremely general.

but this gives employees some pressure and makes them more comitted so whats wrong doing it in both direction??

Procasinator

There should only one contract, not two. That makes little sense - the contract sets out the terms of your employments, and is for both you and your employer.

You are allowed to try to negotiate the terms of the contract that is offered to you. However, of course, the employer can refuse your suggested amendments.

If you are not happy with the contract, and can't reach an agreement, then don't sign the contract.

Boombastic

Isn't that what unions do?

Drakares

If you don't like the terms and services of working for a company, don't work for the company.

If you're ridiculously, and I mean ridiculously good at what you do and no one else can do it.. PhD styled genius, then you can demand your own contract.

Otherwise why should you be deserving of your own personal terms?

Jaxxy

simply simple wrote: »

but this gives employees some pressure and makes them more comitted so whats wrong doing it in both direction??

How does it put the employee under more pressure? To attend work in a timely manner?

Contracts, in their verbal or written forms are there to protect the employer AND the employee. I really don't understand what the problem is.

simply simple

Jaxxy wrote: »

How does it put the employee under more pressure? To attend work in a timely manner?

Contracts, in their verbal or written forms are there to protect the employer AND the employee. I really don't understand what the problem is.

finding out how would an employer and employee react to the thought of having another contract and will all help justifying or rejecting this thought- is my point to raise this on the first place

simply simple

hyperborean wrote: »

"See ye later alligator" its easy to get people to work for money without having to wipe their arse for them as well,

The sense of entitlement of some people is astonishing,

Here is the simple simple facts,

I have a job I need doing and I am willing to pay someone to do it,
Do I
a, find someone who wants to do it and pay them on completion
b, let someone tell me how they want it done and pay them anyway

Answers on a postcard

c, do it yourself

CruelCoin

simply simple wrote: »

would you leave your employees here or take them with you, may be you will get some contracts to sign on from your employees after that to get your commitment and for security purpose

Your engly is broken.

dan1895

Are you a highly sought after footballer op?

simply simple

dan1895 wrote: »

Are you a highly sought after footballer op?

nope, but i wont mind though

razorgil

wow, i've some pain in me head after all that....

dan1895

simply simple wrote: »

nope, but i wont mind though

well then your not really in a position to be making demands to potential employers.

Drakares

Sense of entitlement..

I don't even

mattjack

Where To wrote: »

I move my large multinational to Morocco.

Bye now.

Where To wrote: »

Lalalalalala I can't hear you, I'm now set up in a central Asian ****hole where I'm allowed to shoot unproductive workers.

Contract my arse.

Would you mind returning Morocco back to North Africa and not through Europe either , none of your 'I know a shorter route shite' .

tin79

simply simple wrote: »

there is a big hype of employers providing extra efforts to make its employee acceptable and support to update them etc etc. but still at times you get the answer 'Sorry its not in our policy'. Isint it time for employees to also give a contract to their employers to sign in which they agree to what individual specifications or genuine demands are?
preparing contract (2 different) and signing contract should be done by both employers and employees

I think "utterly simple" or "I cant believe I am not simple" would have been better usernames.

Where To

mattjack wrote: »

Would you returning Morocco back to North Africa and not through Europe either , none of your 'I know a shorter route shite' .

The Morroccans were too liberal, I had to move to Kryguzbakistan where my employees would be more . . . er. . . . docile.

DavyD_83

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Personally I think hand driers are for chumps. God gave us pants for a reason - to wipe our hands on after washing them.

All this air-blade nonsense has really gone too far.

And what's with fizzy cola-bottles these days? They've not got half the flavour of the cola-bottles of my youth.

Huh? What about my rights?

What the hell is this thread about anyway?

I'm glad somebody started speaking some sense.

The hand drying, and cola-bottles comments are 2 of the most valid I have read on Boards all week.
Good work sir!

Paddy Cow

simply simple wrote: »

there is a big hype of employers providing extra efforts to make its employee acceptable and support to update them etc etc. but still at times you get the answer 'Sorry its not in our policy'. Isint it time for employees to also give a contract to their employers to sign in which they agree to what individual specifications or genuine demands are?
preparing contract (2 different) and signing contract should be done by both employers and employees

There's a term for people who make up their own contracts and don't answer to anybody else - self employed. If you are willing to take on all the risks and responsibilities of running a business, do it. If not, eat your humble pie and do as you are told

Annasopra

Paddy Cow wrote: »

There's a term for people who make up their own contracts and don't answer to anybody else - self employed. If you are willing to take on all the risks and responsibilities of running a business, do it. If not, eat your humble pie and do as you are told

at last; a sensible post

simply simple

guys seriously, both are bread winners for each other. But this would be really an option looked forward by those who are termed as 'skilled resources'.
Employers really really need them

Annasopra

simply simple wrote: »

guys seriously, both are bread winners for each other. But this would be really an option looked forward by those who are termed as 'skilled resources'.
Employers really really need them

I have no idea what you are talking about.

simply simple

mango salsa wrote: »

I have no idea what you are talking about.

will rephrase it.
both employees and employer need each other to earn money or livelihood or whatever. What I said in my first post regarding having contracts by both and signed by both can be an option very well understood where the resources are scarce. Skilled employees who are very less and high in demand will have no problem with this thought and I guess if the contract made by an employee follows some fixed formats and standards and abide by law and regulations then employers may understand this thought.

Annasopra

simply simple wrote: »

will rephrase it.
both employees and employer need each other to earn money or livelihood or whatever. What I said in my first post regarding having contracts by both and signed by both can be an option very well understood where the resources are scarce. Skilled employees who are very less and high in demand will have no problem with this thought and I guess if the contract made by an employee follows some fixed formats and standards and abide by law and regulations then employers may understand this thought.

I don't see the point if having separate contracts at all really.

Paddy Cow

simply simple wrote: »

will rephrase it.
both employees and employer need each other to earn money or livelihood or whatever. What I said in my first post regarding having contracts by both and signed by both can be an option very well understood where the resources are scarce. Skilled employees who are very less and high in demand will have no problem with this thought and I guess if the contract made by an employee follows some fixed formats and standards and abide by law and regulations then employers may understand this thought.

What it comes down to is basic economics - employers want to pay as little as possible and employees want to earn as much as possible. The market will dictate who calls the shots. If there are loads of people with the skills needed, their value drops. If there are very few people with the required skills, they hold the cards. It doesn't matter who types up the contract, it is whichever side is in demand that gets the better deal.

Procasinator

mango salsa wrote: »

I don't see the point if having separate contracts at all really.

It would be ridiculous having separate contracts. A contract should cover the terms and expectations for all parties, not a separate contract for each person.

OP: You can negotiate on contracts. You might not be successful, but you can give it a try. I have successfully negotiated a lax in IP clauses/anti-competition before, and other misc perks of a job. But generally in a multi-national or any sizeable company, there isn't going to be much wriggle room, besides on the obvious details like salary.