Séimhiú agus urú list

TripShip

Hey,

Does anyone have a full list of all the words that give a séimhiú and another list that give urús?
I just think it would be so much easier if I had a list in front of me while writing.

(This may be a stupid question - There could be a ridiculous amount of words, I have no idea!)

Thank you!!

Micilin Muc

TripShip wrote: »

Hey,

Does anyone have a full list of all the words that give a séimhiú and another list that give urús?
I just think it would be so much easier if I had a list in front of me while writing.

(This may be a stupid question - There could be a ridiculous amount of words, I have no idea!)

Thank you!!

Great idea for a thread. If many people help out, we could end up with a useful thread for a sticky!

Always followed by an urú:

• i (i mBaile Átha Cliath)
• seacht, ocht, naoi, deich (seacht mbord, ocht gcathaoir)
• ár, bhur (ár dteach, bhur n-athair)
• An, nach (before verbs), an gceannaíonn, nach ndúnann.

Sometimes followed by an urú, sometimes not:

• 'a' as a possessive adjective (when it means 'their', but not when it means 'his', 'her'), a gcara > their friend

Always followed by a séimhiú:

• de, do ó, roimh, trí, faoi, (ó Chorcaigh)
• dhá, trí, ceithre, cúig, sé (sé bharra seacláide)
• mo, do (mo mháthair, do chara)
• ba (ba mhaith liom, ba mhac léinn mé)
• Ar, nár, níor (before verbs), ar cheannaigh, nár dhún, níor bhailigh
• 'a' as a possessive adjective (when it means 'his', but not when it means 'her', or 'their), a chara > his friend

Sometimes followed by a séimhiú, sometimes not:

• aon (except when following word starts with 'd', 't', or 's'), 'aon chupán amháin', but 'aon duine'.
• beirt (except when following word starts with 'd', 't', or 's'), 'beirt mhúinteoirí', but 'beirt tuismitheoirí'.
• 'ar' as a preposition (except when followed by an qualified word), 'ar bharr an uisce', 'ar dhoras an tí', but 'ar meisce', 'ar cíos'.

Maybe the next poster could copy the info above and add to it or edit it

nbrome

Micilin Muc, could you explain 'an qualified word' (presume that is 'a qualified' word) please? It's in your last line, and it's not clear to me from that when 'ar' causes lenition and when it doesn't. Thanks.

Gumbi

nbrome wrote: »

Micilin Muc, could you explain 'an qualified word' (presume that is 'a qualified' word) please? It's in your last line, and it's not clear to me from that when 'ar' causes lenition and when it doesn't. Thanks.

Always, except for established phrases. Ar cios (for rent), ar fail (available), ar diol (for sale) etc are all established, set phrases (sorry for no fadas). Also in the standard, gach is never lenited (never given a h).

So comhlacht a chur ar bun. bun is not lenited because it is being used as an established phrase. However, one can lenite it in another context: ar bhun an seilfe etc (at the bottom of the shelf). If I were to say "comhlacht a chur ar bhun" I don't think it wouldn't be considered wholly wrong, but as it's a set phrase, it is appropriate not to lenite it.

nbrome

Thanks for the info. This is all very interesting for me. Part of the confusion for me is, I think, that the Connacht dialect lenites sometimes where the Standard doesn't.