AV1 and AV2 TV input problems

Glenman

I was setting up a freesat system for some friends yesterday. They have an old TV with two scart lead inputs AV1 & AV2. They have a soar-view box which is connected to AV1 so I connected the freesat box to AV2. However, AV2 does not seem to work at all. The TV remote control is lost so I can't manually switch over between AV1 and AV2.
When the soar-view box is connected to AV1 and I switch on the box then the TV automatically switches to soar-view on the AV1 channel. However, if I connect the soar-view box to AV2 and switch it on nothing happens. Does this mean that AV2 is not working? I forgot to check the model of the TV but it looks quite old. If I managed to locate a remote for the TV and I manually changed over to AV2 would it work? Thanks in advance

coylemj

The AV2 port might be wired for video only but at the very least you should get sound from it. Most older TVs with multiple SCARTs had AV1 wired for everything (for a cable TV or satellite box) but it was assumed that AV2 would be used for the VCR so it probably won't support RGB.

When you connect the Saorview box to AV2, the TV should automatically switch over to that input, assuming there is then nothing connected to AV1 competing for the TV's attention. The SCART cable should be fully wired meaning all connections (pins) are wired, can you test the Saorview box on AV2 with a different cable?

I'd say you need to look at a new TV, if it's that old it will probably only support composite on AV2 and the picture quality will be poor.

Glenman

Thanks for your response. I did try the Soar-View box on AV2 with nothing connected to AV1 but nothing happens.
Would the adapter in the attached photos do the trick to connect both to AV1? It would mean switching off one box while using another but it would be better the current set-up---"getting up off the couch and manually changing over the cable! Unfortunately, I don't think that a new TV will be an option for this family!

khumbu

Daisy chain the devices.
If either of the set top boxes have a second/video scart, it should be possible to connect like this.....

saorview(tv)->(vcr)freesat(tv)->(av1)TV
or
freesat(tv)->(vcr)saorview(tv)->(av1)TV

coylemj

khumbu wrote: »

Daisy chain the devices.
If either of the set top boxes have a second/video scart, it should be possible to connect like this.....

saorview(tv)->(vcr)freesat(tv)->(av1)TV
or
freesat(tv)->(vcr)saorview(tv)->(av1)TV

The SCART sockets on Saorview and Freesat boxes are output only surely so neither of them will accept an input signal from a SCART connection.

OP, that signal joiner cable is worth trying but as you say, you will need one box switched off when the other one is in use.

khumbu

coylemj wrote: »

surely so neither of them will accept an input signal from a SCART connection

If user turns STB in middle of daisy chain to standby the output from first STB should be passed through to TV.

greasepalm

i have an old panny that uses scart with boxes on both av1 and av2 and use the remote to swap between both,remotes maybe still available for the tv.

Capt'n Midnight

go to the pound shop and get one of the blue remotes that looks like a sky remote and look up the SKY codes for it ( the ability to look these codes on line means you don't have to worry about loosing the manual or forgetting how to use the thing )


you can then investigate a decent universal remote that also does the saorview box , tv and all the other stuff they have

zg3409

Glenman I don't think that lead you linked to will work.

If you have a TV with no remote then it might be time to try get a free one from one of those swap sites. People are literally dumping working TVs these days.

Whatever option you go for, it probably won't be acceptable if they need to get up and walk to the Tv to swap over. For the moment you could just swap the leads over and back each time.

greasepalm

Glenman wrote: »

Thanks for your response. I did try the Soar-View box on AV2 with nothing connected to AV1 but nothing happens.
Would the adapter in the attached photos do the trick to connect both to AV1? It would mean switching off one box while using another but it would be better the current set-up---"getting up off the couch and manually changing over the cable! Unfortunately, I don't think that a new TV will be an option for this family!

i had those cables from old upc days but they are not fully wired and were used for vcr recording

Capt'n Midnight

greasepalm wrote: »

i had those cables from old upc days but they are not fully wired and were used for vcr recording

IIRC a voltage on pin 8 controls some devices.

winston_1

It probable that AV2 on the TV does not support pin 8 switching voltage

Khob

Ok I'm looking for help and I'm completely clueless so I probably won't even understand your advice people but lets try.
I have a Philips flat screen tv (bought December 2011).
Since the switchover to digital I have to manually input numbers each time I want to watch RTE.
We are using an old sky box with a technomate satellite dish (free view).
When I go to home menu using Philips tv remote I press 'hd digital receiver' icon to watch free view British channels. I click the 'watch tv' icon and this used to bring up the Irish channels before switchover but now nothing happens and I have to manually input 800-804 for each Irish channel.
There must be a better way.
Please help - but go easy on technical talk!

Peter Rhea

Usually, a tv will put channels in the 800 nos. when they are picked up as a secondary service. This can depend on the country setting used.

Can you receive UK channels via the terrestrial aerial? What part of the country are you in?

Khob

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Usually, a tv will put channels in the 800 nos. when they are picked up as a secondary service. This can depend on the country setting used.

Can you receive UK channels via the terrestrial aerial? What part of the country are you in?

Thanks for trying to help Peter. We can only receive UK channels via technomate satellite dish (I think). We are in mayo.

The Cush

Khob wrote: »

I click the 'watch tv' icon and this used to bring up the Irish channels before switchover but now nothing happens and I have to manually input 800-804 for each Irish channel.
There must be a better way.
Please help - but go easy on technical talk!

As Peter says above the Irish channels are placed in the 800s when a country other than Ireland was used during the initial setup of the TV. If you can do a reset/factory reset/new install of the TV and then select Ireland during the new setup the Irish channels sould be stored from position 1 upwards.

My brother has a similar Philips TV and we've tested the TV with both Ireland and UK as the install countries.

Before you do the reset, do the RTÉ channels display the new Aertel service. It's possible that it may not be available if you use Ireland as the install county as my brother's TV disables the MHEG-5 software used to display Aertel when Ireland is used during setup.

If it does disable the Aertel software maybe you could manually move the channels from the 800s (UK country setting) to position 1, 2, etc. and still retain Aertel, haven't tried this on my brothers TV. If I remember correctly the UK setting also causes problems with the time settings/epg for the Saorview channels on the Plilips TV.

greasepalm

Khob wrote: »

Thanks for trying to help Peter. We can only receive UK channels via technomate satellite dish (I think). We are in mayo.

it may depend on what tm box you have,as they should scan in but encrypted via sly.

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just remains to see if your box is capable on opening them by other means.
using a saorview box for the irish channels with an aerial and pvr.

Peter Rhea

greasepalm wrote: »

it may depend on what tm box you have,as they should scan in but encrypted via sly.

. . . just remains to see if your box is capable on opening them by other means.
using a saorview box for the irish channels with an aerial and pvr.

What has this got to do with anything? Khob's problem relates to the tv's ordering of the Saorview channels. (And why do people persist in this childish use of 'Sly' rather than 'Sky', or worse again '$ky'?)

greasepalm

on some of the uk forums you are asked to replace sky with sly,nothing childish

Peter Rhea

greasepalm wrote: »

on some of the uk forums you are asked to replace sky with sly,nothing childish

Would they be forums for discussing subjects that wouldn't exactly be in Sky's business interests?