Hooking my hybrid

alxmorgan

Hey guys,

I have an issue at the moment that I keep hooking my hybrid.
Its a 19 degree RBZ stock stiff shaft.
It's the only club in the bag that i do it with so I'm wondering what's going on.
I have the 3 wood stock stiff in RBZ too and don't have this issue.

Is it possible that it has too much offset or is there something else going on ?
Would love to solve this as its a lovely club to hit and goes a long way - just not in the right direction right now !! :eek:

thanks

TRS30

Not that it's much help; I had the same issue. Whatever hybrid I tried I kept hooking it. No other clubs just the hybrid. Tried lots of different ones at the driving range etc and was the same for all of them.

Gave up in the end and got a 2 iron. So far no hooks with it so fingers crossed.......

TRS30

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hades

Where are you positioning the ball in your stance?

Another thing to be weary of with the TM clubs is that they make the shafts longer, to help with the gained distance. Try gripping an inch further down the shaft.

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I'm a TaylorMade whore by the way, so wasn't taking a pot shot at them

alxmorgan

TRS30 wrote: »

Not that it's much help; I had the same issue. Whatever hybrid I tried I kept hooking it. No other clubs just the hybrid. Tried lots of different ones at the driving range etc and was the same for all of them.

Gave up in the end and got a 2 iron. So far no hooks with it so fingers crossed.......

Feck...I was hoping you wouldn't say that

I have a 22 degree hybrid too and don't have the same issue which is strange
It's a TM r7 draw which you would think would go more left but how's ever

ShriekingSheet

I used to get this the odd time with my hybrid and found a simple solution.

The type of set-up most hybrids have can encourage higher hands at address - holding the club more upright. I reckon it's down to the shortness of the shaft (versus a 3 wood or 5 wood), which makes some people get in closer and more over it. That's a fine set up with a short iron, but with a longer club, the ball is likely to start straight and a go left in a hurry.

Anyhoo, it's worth a try. No adjustment to the club is needed. Just get your hands a bit lower down at address, and then make sure they're coming through nice nice low at impact.

Worked for me.

alxmorgan

hades wrote: »

Where are you positioning the ball in your stance?

Another thing to be weary of with the TM clubs is that they make the shafts longer, to help with the gained distance. Try gripping an inch further down the shaft.

___

I'm a TaylorMade whore by the way, so wasn't taking a pot shot at them

I would say a little forward of center (although I could be more consistent with this than I am).
I did try to grip down but didn't help in the couple of times I tried it

alxmorgan

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

I used to get this the odd time with my hybrid and found a simple solution.

The type of set-up most hybrids have can encourage higher hands at address - holding the club more upright. I reckon it's down to the shortness of the shaft (versus a 3 wood or 5 wood), which makes some people get in closer and more over it. That's a fine set up with a short iron, but with a longer club, the ball is likely to start straight and a go left in a hurry.

Anyhoo, it's worth a try. No adjustment to the club is needed. Just get your hands a bit lower down at address, and then make sure they're coming through nice nice low at impact.

Worked for me.

Not that you mention it a couple of times I did feel a little "cramped" over the ball
I'll certainly give that a try - thanks

Benny Cake

Go for a lesson mate. If you can learn to hit the hybrid it will quickly become your favourite club...

Give it time and you won't regret it!

ShivasIrons

Hybrids tend to be on the upright side, the lie angle of the RBZ stage 2 3 hybrid is 60.5 degrees with a length of 41.25 inches compare this with a 3 iron which tend to have lie angles of 60 degrees (sometimes 59) with lengths of 39 inches. For every 0.5 inch longer in length a club plays 1 degree more upright, so the RBZ hybrid is about 2 inches longer making it play 4 degrees more upright than a comparable 3 iron.

What this means is; hybrids promote a right to left shot, good for golfers who slice (i.e. the majority), bad for golfers who already do.

Since, the hybrid is the only club that goes left, we can extrapolate that the club is the problem. The solution is to flatten the lie of the club. Certain loft and lie machines are designed to do this, call around and see if you can find some one to do this.

The Titleist hybrids can be flattened through changing the setting on the sure fit hosel, giving them an advantage over the Taylor Mades.

GreeBo

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

I used to get this the odd time with my hybrid and found a simple solution.

The type of set-up most hybrids have can encourage higher hands at address - holding the club more upright. I reckon it's down to the shortness of the shaft (versus a 3 wood or 5 wood), which makes some people get in closer and more over it. That's a fine set up with a short iron, but with a longer club, the ball is likely to start straight and a go left in a hurry.

Anyhoo, it's worth a try. No adjustment to the club is needed. Just get your hands a bit lower down at address, and then make sure they're coming through nice nice low at impact.

Worked for me.

wouldn't being too close, heel up in the air, send the ball right rather than left?

op, i find that i naturally setup with my TM hybrid closed if I'm not paying attention...

alxmorgan

ShivasIrons wrote: »

Hybrids tend to be on the upright side, the lie angle of the RBZ stage 2 3 hybrid is 60.5 degrees with a length of 41.25 inches compare this with a 3 iron which tend to have lie angles of 60 degrees (sometimes 59) with lengths of 39 inches. For every 0.5 inch longer in length a club plays 1 degree more upright, so the RBZ hybrid is about 2 inches longer making it play 4 degrees more upright than a comparable 3 iron.

What this means is; hybrids promote a right to left shot, good for golfers who slice (i.e. the majority), bad for golfers who already do.

Since, the hybrid is the only club that goes left, we can extrapolate that the club is the problem. The solution is to flatten the lie of the club. Certain loft and lie machines are designed to do this, call around and see if you can find some one to do this.

The Titleist hybrids can be flattened through changing the setting on the sure fit hosel, giving them an advantage over the Taylor Mades.

Interesting. Although I'd want to be sure before I go getting it altered.
I have a series of lessons booked so when I'm in for my next I'll bring it up
thanks

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

wouldn't being too close, heel up in the air, send the ball right rather than left?

op, i find that i naturally setup with my TM hybrid closed if I'm not paying attention...

Ya it could be that easy. Range time Thurs night anyway so hopefully I'll sort it
thanks

ballyk

When I bought my rescue (a Ping G10 with 17 degree loft I think) I was hooking it as well for the first few rounds. I stuck with it and it turned into a nice fade. No idea what changed though so apologies that that's not much help to you!

ShriekingSheet

GreeBo wrote: »

wouldn't being too close, heel up in the air, send the ball right rather than left?
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It's a bit like saying an open stance encourages a cut. True, per the text book, but in reality a lot of high and mid handicap players stand shut and slice the ball. So you can't really apply anything accross the board (even if club fitters try and say so).

In the op case, I used to find as a teenager, my set up from behind the target line would look as if my arms and the club shaft were almost a continuous line - really bad, and I remember getting lessons and being told to get my hands lower. The bad shot with that set up was always a turn-over, in my case. Years later, when I got a hybrid, it cropped up a little bit, just with that club, again turning it left.

It just rang a bell with me - one club in the bag turning over.

GreeBo

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

It's a bit like saying an open stance encourages a cut. True, per the text book, but in reality a lot of high and mid handicap players stand shut and slice the ball. So you can't really apply anything accross the board (even if club fitters try and say so).

In the op case, I used to find as a teenager, my set up from behind the target line would look as if my arms and the club shaft were almost a continuous line - really bad, and I remember getting lessons and being told to get my hands lower. The bad shot with that set up was always a turn-over, in my case. Years later, when I got a hybrid, it cropped up a little bit, just with that club, again turning it left.

It just rang a bell with me - one club in the bag turning over.

I still dont see it to be honest, standing too close will open the face and also encourage an upright swing; all of which leads to a slice in my experience but YMMV. (unless you are coming over the top of course)

I guess without seeing the swing its impossible to judge what else is going wrong.

whizbang

my biggest cause of hooks is simply just not ripping it.

when i try to control the swing, more like a driver, there is just not enough flex to whip it thro.
the clubhead gets ahead of me, and HHHHHHoooosssshhhhii.....FORE:eek:

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

op, i find that i naturally setup with my TM hybrid closed if I'm not paying attention...

Some feedback on this....after a few range sessions and a few course outings it seems it may be just this ^^^^

If I focus on making sure I setup square then I don't seem to have an issue. (touch wood)

thanks all and Greebo for the observation