Pajero Jr thoughts ?

was.deevey

Yes I know I was on yesterday looking for Rav4 advice and went to see a total beaut today - GF was on the fence about it, had a reserve till tonight as we were 90% sure only to get a txt before we even got in the front door that he sold it! - Fecker!

Anyhoo's on looking around in a similar price range came across a '97 Pajero Jr - 91k on it, yes I know, small engine - not great on gas, but anything I read points to similar reliability, fun enough to drive and they seem to hold value pretty well.

2 hour trip if we go to see it so anything you can throw down would be appriciated.

wouldn't mind a "real" pajero - but in the budget it'd end up being in rag order or 91/93 probably at best ('97 is really pushing it age wise for the gf) - now the decent Rav4 is gone she's back looking at bloody honda city's interior is ****e in them and to drive - oh so "generic" - I know she has a soft spot for Small roundy Jeeps e.g. Jimny/rav4/Pajero jr

Save me from the City!

Gran Hermano

The name alone is enough to turn me off buying one - the junior bit makes it even more comical.
http://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/pajero

romperstomper

not to hijack your thread, but i have a perfect condition '93, NCT to 2014, tax til 2014 only 87K miles. it is absolutely, and im not kidding here, worthless. the only good thing it has going for it is that it has classic insurance (205e fully comp for the year for me & the missus).

a 97, won't even have the classic insurance thing going for it, so why would you go up the years? if i was buying again, 83- 85 would be the ideal years, as the tax would only be 65e. obviously the insurance would still be cheap.

just my 2c, but you should be going down the years and not up.

one last thing. rav4 is a your womans car. nothing wrong with that. but there is no comparison between that and a pajero. different class of vehicle

colm_mcm

How would a 93 get a 2 year nct?

shooter88

I had a pajero 2.8 and unless your going to be doing a lot of towing and need a solid work vehicle don't buy one they slaughter diesel lucky to see 20mpg ..
Have you looked at opel/vx fronteras?very economical 2.2turbo diesel lots of room in lwb easy and cheap to fix the mother has one with 212k miles on the clock still never missed a beat

JohnBoy26

shooter88 wrote: »

I had a pajero 2.8 and unless your going to be doing a lot of towing and need a solid work vehicle don't buy one they slaughter diesel lucky to see 20mpg ..
Have you looked at opel/vx fronteras?very economical 2.2turbo diesel lots of room in lwb easy and cheap to fix the mother has one with 212k miles on the clock still never missed a beat

It's a Pajaro Junior the op is looking at though. Them fronteras are nothing but scrap imo.

shooter88

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

It's a Pajaro Junior the op is looking at though. Them fronteras are nothing but scrap imo.

The op siad they wouldn't mind a real pajero..
I have to say can't fault them at all reliable and do the job for light work,within the op budget there is not any better on offer

colm_mcm

I you want a bad handling mini SUV, then a jimmy or terios should also be considered.

was.deevey

Im living 10k miles away from IRE right now in a tropical climate or I'd probably take it off your hands alright :P

Well aware the RAV is a diff class of vehicle than a Pajero diesel, but herself wont budge on an older car (or I'd be getting a classic for sure) - but I've always liked the look of them every since they came out TBH since they came out.

To be fair to the Rav it was the nicest vehicle to drive out of everything we've tried so far - and they were all kept in better nick inside and under the hood than pretty much anything else we saw.

• CRV - Boring as hell, did everything I asked, but felt like I should have seven dwarves in the back as well though every time I looked in the rearview.
  
• Honda City - sluggish for the size even with the 1.5vtec and just plain boring
  
• Rav4's drove 3 - Didn't feel underpowered, loved the driving position and visibility especially

Was Considering a Vitara, or Fourtrak/Feroza but haven't found any tidy ones yet that has all the proper paperwork even to see if I like how they drive (bad paperwork - which is normal for locals but don't fancy getting caught as a foreigner with semi-legit papers)

Jimny's are too expensive still, around 1000+ euro more than a Rav or Pajero Jr. I dont have any reason why as they are cheap as chips to buy new (yes cars are ridiculously priced compared to back home).

4x4 is a minor plus in typhoon seasons and provincial - roads/trails and take into Consideration that the half the highways here are worse than Cavan in the late 80's. Herself thinks any car thats newer is automatically going to last longer hard pushed to go faster than 65 at most even on the highways at the best of times.

Hehe, and insurance here (TPL) is a tenner, tax 80 euro odd (per year)

JohnBoy26

shooter88 wrote: »

The op siad they wouldn't mind a real pajero..
I have to say can't fault them at all reliable and do the job for light work,within the op budget there is not any better on offer

Sorry I never seen that part of the post:o..apologies. Imo them frontieras are one of the worst jeeps out there. They are horrible mechanically and are underpowered, slow, unrefined.

CuppaCocoa

I had a 96 Pajero junior. Best little run around I ever had! Very reliable, never broke down and in the 11 years I had it only had to replace the battery and tyres! Flew through every nct. The one downside was the petrol consumption. It was very thirsty. Despite their small size you can pack quite a lot into them. Helped many a friend move house with it! A 96/97 shouldn't break the bank - €2/3k is the most you should pay. Good luck with it!

was.deevey

Real Pajero realistically just isn't an option (well it is for me - not for her as its too old).

Good to hear about your Jr, heard they were a lil thirsty alright - theres not much diff in milage between them and the 2.0 Rav or 2.5 Pajero, 3 or 4 mpg at most it seems.

It'll be a bit more expensive over here unfortunatly - closer to 4.5- 5k all cars are ridiculously high priced.

To give you an example ...

in the 4-5k price range....
1994/96 BMW 316
1999 - 2002 Civic
1996/7 Rav4
1998/99 CRV
1996/97 Pajero Jr
1989/92 Pajero 2.5

And back home you couldn't give away half of them - although the milage will probably be less than half that of an irish car.

romperstomper

whats the year and the price of the rav4 you liked the best? need to know what we are dealing with here in terms of budget.

shooter88 is on the money when it comes to mpg, the 2.8 is very thirsty BUT the good news is that it isn't thirsty when working. e.g. i still get 20mpg even when towing 2ton of kit around.

shooter88

romperstomper wrote: »

whats the year and the price of the rav4 you liked the best? need to know what we are dealing with here in terms of budget.

shooter88 is on the money when it comes to mpg, the 2.8 is very thirsty BUT the good news is that it isn't thirsty when working. e.g. i still get 20mpg even when towing 2ton of kit around.

Mine was faultless 95 jap import with twin batteries etc.
90k miles(never really believed it as was to good to be true for price) but all paperwork matched up and was immaculate inside and out spotless engine bay..had her for 2years and a lot of fun put up 20k odd miles in that time replaced one battery tyres and brake pads along with the usual servicing.a mate has it now for moving boats and general donkey work.

Not a person

colm_mcm wrote: »

How would a 93 get a 2 year nct?

2014 is one year from now, not two.

JohnBoy26

Not a person wrote: »

2014 is one year from now, not two.

It was initially 2015. The post was edited after that comment.;)

was.deevey

One we liked best is gone, it was a 97 AT, 94,000 kilometers, full history 2 owners (relatives) ... pristine inside and out, new tires all round. That was around 4,500 euro - maybe the buyer wont turn up and we'll nab it.

#2 though - have a peek http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/7701280/1997+rav4+3+Dr+M/T+-+Best+Buy%21%21%21?referralKeywords=Rav4&event=Search+Ranking,Position,4-11,71

Second in line though is a '97 Limited edition, full leather, wooden dash bits, HID upgrade, 91,000 kilometers clean history but a minor oil leak - not the head gasket though which he already replaced a few months back on silly advice from his driver (yes he has a driver) He reckons its probably either the sump seal or Distributor O-Ring and offered us to have a mechanic fully check it out, find the leak, get a price and he'll deduct it from the final sale price and put in writing a personal money back guarantee (which is neg) - same goes for the driver seatbelt which isn't retracting (known fault).

It's currently up for grabs @ around 5k, might get it for 4.75k minus the repair and mechanic cost - its a bit more pokey than the AT - although getting my right arm used to shifting is weird.


Pajero Jr is this one - 2hr road trip to go see it though :-S

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/7841926/CARS?referralKeywords=pajero+jr&event=Search+Ranking,Position,2-4,24


There is also this Pajero 2.5 that I would like to go see as well - it says 2004 or something silly but its a 1992 that looks very tidy and the same price.

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/7503229/pajero?referralKeywords=pajero&event=Search+Ranking,Position,6-15,115

We also saw a third Lemon Standard Rav4 2.0 AT affair from a dealer @ 4.5k who swore till he was purple there was never damage EVER only to eat his words when i pointed out the crowbar marks under the hood, bad respray job, the new manifold, new alternator, new radiator, new condenser new shocks ... you get the idea, there's always one.

galwaytt

A friend of mine has one of those Jr's - 5 door, 2.0 petrol, Auto.

Frankly, it's awful. Never gives any trouble mind, not light in juice, but 100% reliable.

colm_mcm

galwaytt wrote: »

A friend of mine has one of those Jr's - 5 door, 2.0 petrol, Auto.

Frankly, it's awful. Never gives any trouble mind, not light in juice, but 100% reliable.

I'd say that's a pajero pinin?

galwaytt

colm_mcm wrote: »

I'd say that's a pajero pinin?

That rings a bell alright. Same-ish thing, yes ?

JohnBoy26

galwaytt wrote: »

That rings a bell alright. Same-ish thing, yes ?

pajero juniors are 1.1

galwaytt

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

pajero juniors are 1.1

Ah.
Quality would be same though?

colm_mcm

Pajero juniors are enlarged Pajero minis, which themselves are based on the Minica kei car. The pinin is a bit bigger.

JohnBoy26

galwaytt wrote: »

Ah.
Quality would be same though?

Not sure what the quality is like in the pinin but It's poor enough in the junior imo.

was.deevey

Just got to Drive one today for the first time today .. a 1997 Mk2 version and out of every car we've driven this was the first car that really had me grinning from ear to ear !

VERY smooth ride, and the driving position heaven for me, (I'm 6ft and didn't feel cramped at all) I don't get why people say they are bumpy - maybe the roads here are just so bad the suspension worked better than everything else we drove.

Literally everything about it looked like a brand new showroom car - less worn and better looking interior than those 2004 Honda City's we looked at (for 2000 euro more with the same milage) - nice "clunk" feel and sound to everything (we had checked out a 2009 Izuzu crosswind earlier for the laugh and I swear they use recycled Heinz beans cans for the doors).

Auto Gearbox, seems nice and smooth and kick down working perfectly, 4wd box engaging/disengaging properly.

No Knocks bumps, dents etc on the paintwork - I know its resprayed as its a RHD/LHD conversion (a very well done conversion) but honestly EVERYTHING is resprayed here anyhow, its the done thing as paint goes-off after 10 years no matter what car you have if its parked outside due to the heat and pollution.

Engine felt really lively in the traffic, no weird noises whatsoever - very quiet cruising but certainly not lacking in a bit of poke when you floor it.

I only got to drive it in moderate Traffic so far - think I'll be going back on wednesday to seal the deal after a highway spin to confirm the box is shifting nicely.

Specs:
Jap import a year ago
101,000km's
1.1 L
Interior all original the owner added leather seats, brand new tires all round which will save a few bob, brakes 100%.

It's 4100 Euro appx once I bargained a bit - the going price over here on them is 5k.

Anyone want to chime in with final thoughts ?

was.deevey

Dreams dashed - New rehash of a 2002 Law got implemented over here 3 days ago!! It effectively banning sales of Imported Cars and looking to seize or restrict the usage of "grey import" cars anytime after 2002 ..

F@#k ... back looking at Rav4's oh well ...

bertson

Sorry for hijacking the thread;

Does a 1996 Pajero qualify for a class/vintage insurance? - less than 3k miles per year

Cheers
B