Was Benedict too ill to carry on or was he exposed into submitting his resignation?

Run_to_da_hills

Pope To Seek Immunity From Prosecution from Italian Government.

I am sure Ratsinger could avoid arrest if he spent the rest of his years within the confines of the Vatican as it would be considered a "sovereign state" with its diplomatic immunity.

'Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.

Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.'

http://itccs.org/2013/02/14/pope-benedict-to-seek-immunity-and-protection-from-italian-president-giorgio-napolitano-on-february-23/

juan.kerr

I think someone found his real birth cert showing he was born in 1923 and realised that he had indeed been an SS officer in WW2 and not just a member of the Hitler Youth. Blackmail ensued.

Torakx

From the link in the original post.

In response to the documented crimes of child torture, trafficking and genocide linked to Pope Benedict and Vatican officials, the ITCCS will be sponsoring a series of ongoing protests and occupations of Roman Catholic churches and offices through its affiliates around the world beginning in Easter week, March 24-31, 2013, and continuing indefinitely.


These actions will accompany the legal efforts to bring Joseph Ratzinger and other Vatican officials to trial for their proven complicity in crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.

Aquarius34

I got kicked off for stating the Vatican is run by Jesuit's. Didn't think people thought that would be offensive to point out. It's all about protecting them. You'll rarely ever see conspiracies spoken against the Jesuits. You will rarely ever see them been exposed out like the way elite families do and have done in the past. Everything about Pope Benedict's resignation is pre ordained, orchestrated and it's only obvious that's hes been protected.

So everything will all still be wrapped up and tightly controlled just as everything else is been.

Torakx

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I got kicked off for stating the Vatican is run by Jesuit's. Didn't think people thought that would be offensive to point out. It's all about protecting them. You'll rarely ever see conspiracies spoken against the Jesuits. You will rarely ever see them been exposed out like the way elite families do and have done in the past. Everything about Pope Benedict's resignation is pre ordained, orchestrated and it's only obvious that's hes been protected.

So everything will all still be wrapped up and tightly controlled just as everything else is been.

I for one would appreciate a Ct thread on this.
One that explains in detail and logically how it may be possible.

There is alot of confusing information ussually around religious CT's.
Most people and even myself dont fully understand it.
I thik a while back I tried finding the connections.But it was alot of searching through prophecy which I didnt count on much.

I wouldnt mind simple facts.
So and so is a jesuit or Jesuit in disguise.
Here is why.
This is how they did so and so.This leads us all tthe way up to today where they are doing so and so.

That would be refreshing

I had a thread about the roman empire rulling today.Relating to the vatican.
But I dont think I managed to uncover as much as I wanted regarding that or the Jesuits.

Suceed

It doesn't say in that link but i believe the Pope's butler is currently on trial for having stolen some documents and written about them, so maybe there's something juicy in that.

Torakx

http://darkcity.caster.fm/
6pm-7pm tonight.Bit late notice, but there you go.
Radio show discussing this situation.

I managed to get one of my questions posed regarding the Jesuits.
Some notes I got quickly were mentions of:
The Jesuits 4th vow.
The Military/assasins arm, The Holy Alliance, possibly esponsible for killing pope John Paul I

More info on some reasons why the church and pope are under fire.
http://itccs.org/2011/11/

Run_to_da_hills

Pope will have security, immunity by remaining in the Vatican.

It looks like he won't be going anywhere in the near or distant future.

"Pope Benedict's decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/15/us-pope-resignation-immunity-idUSBRE91E0ZI20130215

Tzar Chasm

seems to be the crux of it, benny don't want to face the music so he'll bravely hide in the vatican rather than face charges over the child abuse cases.

real a paragon of morality, an example to us all in how a good catholic should deal with the problems in life, deny everything and hide.

studiorat

He's 85 years old, the oldest elected pope in years. My bet's parkinsons or dementia.

Tzar Chasm

nothing to do with the rumored arrest warrant that was pending then

Myrddin

Can someone simplify this for me, I'm a bit slow tonight

So an un-named state/government apparently sent word that it was about to issue an arrest warrant for the Pope. This was for covering up the identities of priests/bishops etc over the multitude of child abuse scandals?

In light of receiving said note, the Vatican deemed it a PR disaster to have a Pope in place that there was an arrest warrout out for, & likely pushed the Pope to stand down?

The Vatican being a sovereign state, would be able to offer the resigned Pope diplomatic & political immunity from any such warrant, & would never agree to extradite him?

Is that along the lines of what the conspiracy here is, or am I way off?

Tzar Chasm

fairly much that, especially the bit about the sovereign state.

information about the arrest warrant may not come into the public domain until years after bennys death, which may have been the main motivation behind this action nip any threat in the bud early and move the alleged offender on quietly

Torakx

I have been wondering if its one big conspiracy for someone to take down all or most religions.
The JW's currently have a 20 million lawsuit for the exact same reason.
They sold their headqarters in brooklyn and the governing body is on the run doing "missionary" work.
They also prophesy, I think using the book of Isaiah and/or revelation, that babylon the great (false religion) will fall.
Apparently the UN will turn on all religion.Then the "armageddon and Jesus return as king in heaven" will come.

Now swap armageddon for WW3 and a paradise on earth as the New World Order and we gotz a theory lol

Some other interesting expressions they use.
The old system of things, the new system of things.

Aquarius34

Torakx wrote: »

I have been wondering if its one big conspiracy for someone to take down all or most religions.
The JW's currently have a 20 million lawsuit for the exact same reason.

:pac:

They sold their headqarters in brooklyn and the governing body is on the run doing "missionary" work.
They also prophesy, I think using the book of Isaiah and/or revelation, that babylon the great (false religion) will fall.
Apparently the UN will turn on all religion.Then the "armageddon and Jesus return as king in heaven" will come.

Now swap armageddon for WW3 and a paradise on earth as the New World Order and we gotz a theory lol

Some other interesting expressions they use.
The old system of things, the new system of things.

It's a no brainer, that this is all been orchestrated to just end the church and create their one world religion. Which means, nothing is going to be new with that. It's just the same thing with more control and looks all different in appearance but the procedures, control, agendas and orders all remain the same.


Like the Enlightenment fraud coming on now, it's a new world religion based on false love and feeding the ego (the Beast).

This whole scandal goes right over my head. My intuition just won't accept any of it. It's all distraction from the bigger agendas at work. That's my feeling on it anyway.

Brown Bomber

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Pope To Seek Immunity From Prosecution from Italian Government.

I am sure Ratsinger could avoid arrest if he spent the rest of his years within the confines of the Vatican as it would be considered a "sovereign state" with its diplomatic immunity.

'Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.

Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.'

http://itccs.org/2013/02/14/pope-benedict-to-seek-immunity-and-protection-from-italian-president-giorgio-napolitano-on-february-23/

To be honest I wouldn't pay much attention to this "group". Looks like a fraud and consists of one man, his gmail account and his site.
http://itccs.org/tribunal-members/

Myrddin

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

fairly much that, especially the bit about the sovereign state.

information about the arrest warrant may not come into the public domain until years after bennys death, which may have been the main motivation behind this action nip any threat in the bud early and move the alleged offender on quietly

Where does the butlers stolen documents fit into all this? And how do we actually know notice of an arrest warrant was sent at all?

Tzar Chasm

I haven't read through the leaked papers fully but they seem to indicate a lot of corruption in the church, some correspondences suggest that benny was taking bribes and that he was involved in attempts tu cover up the scandal.

then there's the ongoing investigation into his coverups of child abuse when he was a cardinal.

whether or not an arrest warrant was issued becomes irellevant at this point as the threat of one against a sitting pope would have been enough to force the vatican into damage control mode

Myrddin

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I haven't read through the leaked papers fully but they seem to indicate a lot of corruption in the church, some correspondences suggest that benny was taking bribes and that he was involved in attempts tu cover up the scandal.

then there's the ongoing investigation into his coverups of child abuse when he was a cardinal.

whether or not an arrest warrant was issued becomes irellevant at this point as the threat of one against a sitting pope would have been enough to force the vatican into damage control mode

So all this comes from the butler that stole & leaked the documents?

Tzar Chasm

no I think that was just the last straw, this imo stems from the persistent accusations of coverups by ratzi when he was a cardinal.

even the threat of a pope on trial would be too grave a risk for the church to tolerate.

I don't think they expect this one to go away, it seems to me that they want to consign the whole thing to the realm of conspiracy theorists so they can dismiss it all as such

Myrddin

So how do we know about the supposed potential arrest warrant? And what did the stolen documents purport to leak?

Tzar Chasm

well the arrest warrant seems to be somewhat of a 'qualified hunch'

events did seem to be building in that direction for a while, but the vatican is known for dragging things out, it wasnt long after ratzi became pope that his involvement in the child abuse coverups came to light.

the new documents also highlight a deep rooted financial corruption in the vatican along with squabling and power struggles over control of the money, again nothing new there, but this time there is actual correspondence between the pope and others on the subject, one of the things is about the price of a papal audience.

all in all the vatican can't risk any more stuff coming to light, so the pope had to go.

t

EoghanIRL

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well the arrest warrant seems to be somewhat of a 'qualified hunch'

events did seem to be building in that direction for a while, but the vatican is known for dragging things out, it wasnt long after ratzi became pope that his involvement in the child abuse coverups came to light.

the new documents also highlight a deep rooted financial corruption in the vatican along with squabling and power struggles over control of the money, again nothing new there, but this time there is actual correspondence between the pope and others on the subject, one of the things is about the price of a papal audience.

all in all the vatican can't risk any more stuff coming to light, so the pope had to go.

t

It makes sense to me , the pope on trial would portray a negative image of the church and I don't think they can risk it .

enno99

Brown Bomber wrote: »

To be honest I wouldn't pay much attention to this "group". Looks like a fraud and consists of one man, his gmail account and his site.
http://itccs.org/tribunal-members/

Kevin D. Annett

http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Kevin_Annett

I remember seeing a documentary he made a while back

It,s about Canadian genocide if i remember il watch it again later
Cant remember if its the one about the Queen and Prince Philip kidnapping kids with all the jimmy savile stuff about might be worth a look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88k2imkGIFA

Here is another I havent seen it yet

Brown Bomber

Cheers for that. Definitely a con-man for me. I can smell them a mile off now. I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of his mouth tbh.

Torakx

Maybe the pope should be on trial either way.