Property tax on derelict houses-Joe Duffy show!!

Western Pomise

Very rarely give Joe Duffy any airtime but piece got my interest this am...Lady on from Dublin who paid 40,000 euro inheritance tax on a derelict house in good location in Dublin and fears Property tax now...our friend Joe then says that all the farmers down the country should have to pay property tax on derelict houses on their farms.....hope to christ this is only radio talk....like a lot of farmers we have a house around 20 years derelict on farm with roof still on it,no esb in it now etc.

Marooned75

Dont mind that fella the richest socialist in the country,Anything he says is to get a reaction.

Juniorhurler

Sure sure sure. Terrible terrible, forty thousand, terrible.

G3467

Ah go on. Was that woman on from Clontarf?

Western Pomise

Ya cant beat Joe to get a reaction:)

Scortho

As far as I know the tax is only liable on properties that are habitable: no electricity, heating, running water or a working jacks would make the house inhabitable.
I wouldn't be too worried about it. Just joe Duffy trying to get more support.

periodictable

Duffy another former Socialist, seduced by the money

freedominacup

Scortho wrote: »

As far as I know the tax is only liable on properties that are habitable: no electricity, heating, running water or a working jacks would make the house inhabitable.
I wouldn't be too worried about it. Just joe Duffy trying to get more support.

And that in a nutshell is what's wrong with this "property tax". It should be on all residential property regardless of occupancy. Residential property includes all of the zoned land around Dublin and other cities that has been snapped up in the past couple of years by investors. There are signs that the Dub property market is starting to rise and because there is no liabilty in holding these zoned sites these investors can "release" their land at a pace that causes property prices to rise more dramatically as demand increases. Property taxes are meant to act as a tool to get esp residential property into the hands of the people who need it. If these zoned lands aren't moving onto the market fast enough you simply increase the tax on that type of residential property to make them move faster.

Same way with your derelict property. You have two choices demolish the house and apply to have the residential zoning taken away from it or make it habitable and occupy it with family memebers, rent it out or sell it simples. The tax will not be a burden for you then as someone else will be either liable for it or will be giving you an income you can use to pay the property tax.

Manoffeeling

Joe Duffy is the greatest hypocrite this country has produced. A can of piss if ever there was one.

freedominacup

periodictable wrote: »

Duffy another former Socialist, seduced by the money

What do you mean "former"?

Irish socialism is wall to wall with JD's type of smoked salmon socialists, none of them "former" though funnily enough quite a few of them at one time or another would have been "farmer".

99nsr125

freedominacup wrote: »

And that in a nutshell is what's wrong with this "property tax". It should be on all residential property regardless of occupancy. Residential property includes all of the zoned land around Dublin and other cities that has been snapped up in the past couple of years by investors. There are signs that the Dub property market is starting to rise and because there is no liabilty in holding these zoned sites these investors can "release" their land at a pace that causes property prices to rise more dramatically as demand increases. Property taxes are meant to act as a tool to get esp residential property into the hands of the people who need it. If these zoned lands aren't moving onto the market fast enough you simply increase the tax on that type of residential property to make them move faster.

Same way with your derelict property. You have two choices demolish the house and apply to have the residential zoning taken away from it or make it habitable and occupy it with family memebers, rent it out or sell it simples. The tax will not be a burden for you then as someone else will be either liable for it or will be giving you an income you can use to pay the property tax.

We've an old derelict cottage on an outfarm, it belonged to a
grand-uncle, but I have to agree with everything you said.

I often look at it and wonder will anything ever be done with it
and shake my head as I think it's terrible to leave it lying there
rotting.

There's a kinda of right of way over it for cousins in Canada,
we own it in title but they have a "right to residence".

Personally I think unoccupied homes should attract a much higher
local tax after say 12 months, as this would focus peoples minds
into getting empty houses occupied.

Taxing currently derelict houses on farms would be horrendously
unfair.

Just put it in the legislation that from now on any home
that attracts a local tax will continue to be liable until it's demolished,
re-zoned and turned into an agricultural shed etc
(better be planning charge exempt on this front)

blindside88

My father in law enquired about this as they have an old house on their farm, he was informed by the county council that once the sewage system is not connected up that the property is not liable for the tax

bbam

freedominacup wrote: »

And that in a nutshell is what's wrong with this "property tax". It should be on all residential property regardless of occupancy. Residential property includes all of the zoned land around Dublin and other cities that has been snapped up in the past couple of years by investors. There are signs that the Dub property market is starting to rise and because there is no liabilty in holding these zoned sites these investors can "release" their land at a pace that causes property prices to rise more dramatically as demand increases. Property taxes are meant to act as a tool to get esp residential property into the hands of the people who need it. If these zoned lands aren't moving onto the market fast enough you simply increase the tax on that type of residential property to make them move faster.

Same way with your derelict property. You have two choices demolish the house and apply to have the residential zoning taken away from it or make it habitable and occupy it with family memebers, rent it out or sell it simples. The tax will not be a burden for you then as someone else will be either liable for it or will be giving you an income you can use to pay the property tax.

How on gods earth would zoned land be covered under a residential property tax, that's just absurd.
Also how could derelict houses be covered??
Its a RESIDENTIAL property tax, covering houses that are fit to be lived in.

Like many farm yards ours contains a derelict house, no heating/water nor sewredge, only lights in rooms and one socket. It cant be rented or sold as its in the middle of the yard, knocking it would be stupid as its a 100 year old building and we use it for storage..

If your friends with the zoned land make a profit when its sold then the profit should be taxed...

Its attitudes like the post above that will have every possible potential for a recovery TAXED out of existence.. Its just stupid

freedominacup

bbam wrote: »

How on gods earth would zoned land be covered under a residential property tax, that's just absurd.
Also how could derelict houses be covered??
Its a RESIDENTIAL property tax, covering houses that are fit to be lived in.

Like many farm yards ours contains a derelict house, no heating/water nor sewredge, only lights in rooms and one socket. It cant be rented or sold as its in the middle of the yard, knocking it would be stupid as its a 100 year old building and we use it for storage..

If your friends with the zoned land make a profit when its sold then the profit should be taxed...

Its attitudes like the post above that will have every possible potential for a recovery TAXED out of existence.. Its just stupid

It's zoned as residential then it's residential. It's why the property tax should have been on site value not house value then your derelict hous in the middle of a working farmyard wouldn't be likely to incurr much if any tax liability. The friends with the zoned land should be taxed as a way of preventing them from buying up trats of zoned land and using this ownershipto ontrol house pries as happened in the past.

Allowing developers to ratchett up the price of housing caused a lot of our problems in th past. A properly set and administered property tax could be a useful tool for managing our property prices in a situation where we have no control over interest rates.

bbam

freedominacup wrote: »

It's zoned as residential then it's residential. It's why the property tax should have been on site value not house value then your derelict hous in the middle of a working farmyard wouldn't be likely to incurr much if any tax liability. The friends with the zoned land should be taxed as a way of preventing them from buying up trats of zoned land and using this ownershipto ontrol house pries as happened in the past.

Allowing developers to ratchett up the price of housing caused a lot of our problems in th past. A properly set and administered property tax could be a useful tool for managing our property prices in a situation where we have no control over interest rates.

What your intimating towards there is a LAND tax, with residential zoned land being taxed.
But guess what, that would probably also include a tax on Agricultural land which would be a disaster. Be very careful what you wish for.

Also we should focus on our own business rather than worrying about speculators making money on zoned lands near Dublin. Another useless Irish trait !