anyone breeding from salers

vanderbadger

just wondering if anyone using few saler cows, im saying i will buy a few heifers every year but never have,suppose im put off by the horror stories of lunatics so just curious to see if anyone has them and how they are working out

49801

Salers are no more lunitic's than limmy's.
That said I've an extremely quite Limmy Stock Bull.
There is as much difference within breeds as there is between breeds.
However Salers just wont be as quite as BBX's or CHX's etc.
Just keep an eye on the docility figures and they'll be fine

vanderbadger

49801 wrote: »

Salers are no more lunitic's than limmy's.
That said I've an extremely quite Limmy Stock Bull.
There is as much difference within breeds as there is between breeds.
However Salers just wont be as quite as BBX's or CHX's etc.
Just keep an eye on the docility figures and they'll be fine

do you cross yours with ch bull?

redzerologhlen

49801 wrote: »

Salers are no more lunitic's than limmy's.
That said I've an extremely quite Limmy Stock Bull.
There is as much difference within breeds as there is between breeds.
However Salers just wont be as quite as BBX's or CHX's etc.
Just keep an eye on the docility figures and they'll be fine

Im just back from ennis mart now and when I was unloading this morning there was an auld lad beside me with a saler bull yearling in the trailer. He told me he was stone mad so I told him to wait till I had unloaded and I would give him a hand. Talk about a nutcase he was when we opened the door of the trailer. Just aswell the mart was quiet and I had all the gates set up to the chute because if he got a chance to turn there was only one way he was going to go. Saying that I have been thinking about them myself aswell because they are a really good cross with a charolais. I was saying it to a neighbour last week who has a few and he said I would be as well off to stick with the lim's for cows because they are quieter so I dont know what to do really. Was trying to move away from lims because all you can do is coax them with a few nuts, going behind them and trying to walk them anywhere doesnt work.

pakalasa

Redz,
Did you get to see any of those 60 suckler heifers for sale. From your neck of the woods;
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/beefcattle/4469045

As for Salers, the Charolais X Saler is a great weanling alright. Big growthy and hardy looking. I think if you want quiet cattle, you need some breed of simmental in there and a good docility figure for the rest, be it lim or Saler.

redzerologhlen

pakalasa wrote: »

Redz,
Did you get to see any of those 60 suckler heifers for sale. From your neck of the woods;
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/beefcattle/4469045

As for Salers, the Charolais X Saler is a great weanling alright. Big growthy and hardy looking. I think if you want quiet cattle, you need some breed of simmental in there and a good docility figure for the rest, be it lim or Saler.

Ya I seen about 40 of them going through, they were all too fleshy for my liking pak, the most of them were tipping 700kg with a few well beyond that. No good letting a cow that size to a winterage and expecting her to look after herself. Most were very beefy charolais types and there was a few nice limmys in among them. A lot of the charolais were bought for 15-1600 and the better lims were going for 17-1800. A lot of the charolais had a nice bit of springing made on the baren and no sign of a bag and I would think they will have shag all milk. He gave scanning times for them too and I dont think a lot of them are right, 50% of them were due on the 11th of march and some had no sign at all :rolleyes: The top price i seen was a charolaisx ready to drop with a nice bag of milk for 2100 I think. prices probably averaged around 1650. In my eyes they were stock that would have been worth more to finish than bull. As an aside I know a man that bought 4 springers at the same sale last year and he had 2 sections out of the four, they were fed for sale and not to calve.

hugo29

i have a lim/salers cross cow, quietest cow you ever seen, produces fantastic calf every year

tried a salers bull to a sim cross cow once to get a replacement heifer, madest fcuker you ever seen

weatherbyfoxer

hugo29 wrote: »

i have a lim/salers cross cow, quietest cow you ever seen, produces fantastic calf every year

tried a salers bull to a sim cross cow once to get a replacement heifer, madest fcuker you ever seen

worked on a farm with a few saler cow back a few years ago didnt find them too wild but no way would they let you near their calves for at least a week

have to say i like nice aa cows...quiet ,easier on the softer ground,good hard black hooves,go back in calf easier than continental breeds and dont eat as much...only down size is colour when selling weanling

49801

vanderbadger wrote: »

do you cross yours with ch bull?

hugo29 wrote: »

i have a lim/salers cross cow, quietest cow you ever seen, produces fantastic calf every year

tried a salers bull to a sim cross cow once to get a replacement heifer, madest fcuker you ever seen

SIX cross cows mostly, Some HE influence and a couple CHX's. Have a bunch of SAX's hiefers with calves at foot now they are not nuts by any means. Have 8 or more yearling hiefers that I had earmarked for breeding but that aint going to happen now. Going to be a sad day when they are depopluated in a few weeks.

bob charles

Anything with Saler blood is a disaster for finishing IMV

moy83

bob charles wrote: »

Anything with Saler blood is a disaster for finishing IMV

A finisher I know was telling me that awhile ago aswell . He said he had five of them that gone through and never again would he buy one

johnpawl

What's the problem with them.

moy83

He told me they were way slower than other breeds to get flesh on , they only started putting on beef when he had them inside on straw

NthKerryfarmer

Hello, I agree with 49801,There is as much difference within breeds as there is between breeds. I keep a small herd of 12 cows with about 50% salers and use a salers bull by RIO on them. I have 2 pure Salers cows,1 SAx whitehead (pure pet), and 2 Sax Fr, rest bbx and wh, the bull is very quiet,I honestly have not seen any agression from the cows, they are wintered on an open yard and are used to me being around them so probly helps... Most calves are quiet but do get the odd lively 1,I have 2 limxfr cows, 1 v quiet and 1 mad...find the Salers very very easy calving, havnt pulled 1 yet, and very hardy..I work full time so this works for me,we used salers on fr hefrs calving at 2 yrs and all have calved themselves so far...(not finished yet)..we had hard calvings the past 2 yrs with angus and herefords on fr hefrs and we were sick of it... so far we are happy with them.

pakalasa

redzerologhlen wrote: »

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That was my impression from the photos too. Fine looking heifers but you never know how they turn out milk wise, especially the charolais ones.

49801

We changed away from a salers stock bull last year as we wanted a change but he has 5star figures across breeds for milk, calving diff and interval. I'd of had started bulling a few of his 1yr heifers by now if we we not changing farming system. The one year older heifers off the same salers stock bull have all calved down to a 5.7% limmy (mistic flame). Lovely calves

Robson99

bob charles wrote: »

Anything with Saler blood is a disaster for finishing IMV

Had a few saler x charlaois heifers and they were by far the best heifers we had in a while. Good weight gain and conformation. Would have them again no problem

The Real Elmer Fudd

Has anyone experience crossing saler on Sim cows? Have a few Sim heifers to bull this year and was thinking of AI to either of the two saler bulls at Dovea.

My theory being i should get an bull calf of at least equal quality to angus but if i get heifers they should be worth keeping on as cows. The Sim heifers are very quiet which im hoping to some extent would conteract the wild streak the salers seem to have the reputation for.

My thinking would be that Sim x Saler cow back to ch bull should produce a quality calf. But maybe there's to much frame in that mix and not enough muscle??

49801

The Real Elmer Fudd wrote: »

Has anyone experience crossing saler on Sim cows? Have a few Sim heifers to bull this year and was thinking of AI to either of the two saler bulls at Dovea.

My theory being i should get an bull calf of at least equal quality to angus but if i get heifers they should be worth keeping on as cows. The Sim heifers are very quiet which im hoping to some extent would conteract the wild streak the salers seem to have the reputation for.

My thinking would be that Sim x Saler cow back to ch bull should produce a quality calf. But maybe there's to much frame in that mix and not enough muscle??

Some pictures of our 12mth SAX heifers and some 24mth SAX heifers with after calving. Mostly out of SIMX cows to a SA Bull. Last summer I finished the bulls at 19mths on ad lib and they all graded U&R

The Real Elmer Fudd

49801 wrote: »

Some pictures of our 12mth SAX heifers and some 24mth SAX heifers with after calving. Mostly out of SIMX cows to a SA Bull. Last summer I finished the bulls at 19mths on ad lib and they all graded U&R

Thanks 49801, the pics are much appreciated. What are you crossing the sim/saler offspring with? How are they breeding for you?

49801

The Real Elmer Fudd wrote: »

Thanks 49801, the pics are much appreciated. What are you crossing the sim/saler offspring with? How are they breeding for you?

We were putting them in calf to LM.

aghead

bob charles wrote: »

Anything with Saler blood is a disaster for finishing IMV

The lesser end of a batch of full blood salers bulls (ones that didn't get sold as breeding bulls) and two xbreds...similar kill sheet every time...spot the screw


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bob charles

aghead wrote: »

The lesser end of a batch of full blood salers bulls (ones that didn't get sold as breeding bulls) and two xbreds...similar kill sheet every time...spot the screw

scratch out your herd number aswell, simples to pin point you:eek:. 6 animals out of 8 graded 2's though. okay for bulls but disaster for bullocks or heifers. I see they managed to balance there books on price:rolleyes:

aghead

bob charles wrote: »

scratch out your herd number aswell, simples to pin point you:eek:. 6 animals out of 8 graded 2's though. okay for bulls but disaster for bullocks or heifers. I see they managed to balance there books on price:rolleyes:

They always do balance the books! best is on a batch last month, dropped 30 cent a kg off everything over 480kgs :-/ getting the adequate fat is still an issue on some of the other continentals too, blues and a lot of limmos regarded as disasters? Haha anonymity goes out the window on this anyhow!

passie

I have a Saler / Lim cross cow she is very quiet and easy to manage .. Maybe they are different with other bull cross..

pakalasa

I had a saler x lim myself a few years back. She was exceptionally quiet. By AI bull RIO. Her mother had very little milk, so I didn't breed from her. At the time RIO, had very bad figures for milk. Then suddenly over night, his milk figures shot up. Fuming over that.:mad: I think she would have made a great cow.

passie

pakalasa wrote: »

I had a saler x lim myself a few years back. She was exceptionally quiet. By AI bull RIO. Her mother had very little milk, so I didn't breed from her. At the time RIO, had very bad figures for milk. Then suddenly over night, his milk figures shot up. Fuming over that.:mad: I think she would have made a great cow.

Yes I know what you mean, AI can be like that sometimes Good replacements are hard enough to come by...

teaserbull

Informative article in the farmers journal's beef breeding supplement this week regarding the salers bull test station and the breeds merits.