Why do ATMs have braille buttons?

c_man

Think about it. Are blind people using ATMs? How do they know which options they're being presented with on screen? If I had no sight I don't think I'd be using them, seems dodgy. You wouldn't be able to see if the unit has been tampered with etc.

Cabaal

Can also be used by people with poor vision, makes it easier to know which buttons are which, its the same reason why push button phones have a raised mark on the middle number.

the keen edge

I suppose it's more of an aid than a solution.

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

Somebody can read the screen for them and they don't have to reveal their pin.

c_man

Cabaal wrote: »

Can also be used by people with poor vision

Yeah but same problem. If someone has difficulty making out the 'Enter' button, how are they reading the text on screen which is usually the same size iirc.

12 element

Can't you plug headphones into some ATMs for audio assistance?

not yet

So braileizians can use them stupid, everyone knows that.

Cabaal

12 element wrote: »

Can't you plug headphones into some ATMs for audio assistance?

Yep, you can on the AIB one's anyway. Not sure about the rest

Big Nasty

Why is there braile on bus stops when blind people can't see what bus is coming?

Teyla Emmagan

My dad told me that the raised dot on the 5 on a calculator was so that blind people could use them. Was years before it suddenly dawned on me that I was a gullible twat.

Derinda

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

My dad told me that the raised dot on the 5 on a calculator was so that blind people could use them. Was years before it suddenly dawned on me that I was a gullible twat.

Reading that made my day! Your dad is a genius!

Spunge

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

My dad told me that the raised dot on the 5 on a calculator was so that blind people could use them. Was years before it suddenly dawned on me that I was a gullible twat.

its not ?

Teyla Emmagan

Derinda wrote: »

Reading that made my day! Your dad is a genius!

I believed every word he said! The bollox :-)

Derinda

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I believed every word he said! The bollox :-)

Don't worry - I think every dad torments their children, mine had me believing for years that he was in the Merchant Navy when he was younger!

It's how they show love!

Banjo String

In the canaries a few years back, we were filling up our hire car with petrol, the pumps there have speakers announcing every half litre, ie it would say one, one and a half, two, etc etc etc. this (i assume) let folk fill up without having to physically watch the pump.

My Mam, however...........


She surmised that "that's so blind drivers know how much they're putting in their cars"

She's a school teacher btw.

the keen edge

Derinda wrote: »

Don't worry - I think every dad torments their children, mine had me believing for years that he was in the Merchant Navy when he was younger!

It's how they show love!

Because no child wants to hear the terrible heart sinking truth that their father isn't actually in the Merchant Navy?

7 7 12

And what's the deal with the size of aeroplane food portions...

doglover89

Hey

Those things your dads told you are brilliant... and as for the Mum at the petrol pump... that's hilarious!!

I think you're right about the ATMs, whoever it was that said they've got Braille on them as a 'sort of a solution'. And yes, there are talking ones, but at the moment there are only a couple, one on O'ConnellS t. and one or two in the new AIB Lab in Dundrum town centre.

The Braille does serve some purpose though; I'm blind, and if I am using an amchine I've used a good few times before (the one near me), I know what buttons I need to press roughly, but would always have someone there with me. So basically, for me anyway, it's not much of a solution, but every little helps...

Oh, and my dad decided it'd be hilarious to tell me he'd deleted my thesis, the day before I was due to hand it in... oh dads and their unique humour...

Banjo String

doglover89 wrote: »

Hey

Those things your dads told you are brilliant... and as for the Mum at the petrol pump... that's hilarious!!

I think you're right about the ATMs, whoever it was that said they've got Braille on them as a 'sort of a solution'. And yes, there are talking ones, but at the moment there are only a couple, one on O'ConnellS t. and one or two in the new AIB Lab in Dundrum town centre.

The Braille does serve some purpose though; I'm blind, and if I am using an amchine I've used a good few times before (the one near me), I know what buttons I need to press roughly, but would always have someone there with me. So basically, for me anyway, it's not much of a solution, but every little helps...

Oh, and my dad decided it'd be hilarious to tell me he'd deleted my thesis, the day before I was due to hand it in... oh dads and their unique humour...

Can I ask a serious question?

How do you negotiate this site, and read the threads if you're blind?

Tombi!

SamHall wrote: »

Can I ask a serious question?

How do you negotiate this site, and read the threads if you're blind?

Well the poster said they have someone there with them. I imagine the person reads and types for them.

Banjo String

Ah ok.

Cheers.

wnolan1992

SamHall wrote: »

Can I ask a serious question?

How do you negotiate this site, and read the threads if you're blind?

There are any number of screen reader programs. JAWS is quite popular, but is not the only one. Basically reads back all text on screen. And as for getting around the site in general, a combination of bookmarks and keyboard shortcuts can make a huge difference. (Just press the TAB key on ye're keyboards and notice how the cursor moves around from option to option?)

EDIT: Oh, and these programs also tend to have a keyboard echo, which reads back what you type.

Mr. G

Its handy at night time when your at an atm.

Another thing is that if your covering your hands.

I never knew about the audio jack on the atms. I always think the flashing green light on the aib ones looked dodgy...

Mr. G

If your blind you can also use browsealoud on some websites. Not boards though.

Seachmall

Spunge wrote: »

its not ?

How would a blind person know what the answer is on the calculator?


It's so you can do calculations rapidly without having to look at it (like touch typing).

Phoebas

wnolan1992 wrote: »

There are any number of screen reader programs. JAWS is quite popular, but is not the only one. Basically reads back all text on screen. And as for getting around the site in general, a combination of bookmarks and keyboard shortcuts can make a huge difference. (Just press the TAB key on ye're keyboards and notice how the cursor moves around from option to option?)

EDIT: Oh, and these programs also tend to have a keyboard echo, which reads back what you type.

That's really interesting. Also, frwei gvrevyer g vrevgere veryvg eiwjvber vcrwevggu vhreuf fejwi [system error] ewqjoinv vherv. You can put that in the bank!

wnolan1992

Phoebas wrote: »

That's really interesting. Also, frwei gvrevyer g vrevgere veryvg eiwjvber vcrwevggu vhreuf fejwi [system error] ewqjoinv vherv. You can put that in the bank!

Heh, I once was talking to someone who was fully blind that had options on their phone that would read the text messages aloud for them. They said it was often a nightmare when someone used really obscure txtspk. :pac:

Reindeer

12 element wrote: »

Can't you plug headphones into some ATMs for audio assistance?

I plugged my IPod headphones into an ATM recently and all I heard was a giant sucking sound.

xii

Reindeer wrote: »

I plugged my IPod headphones into an ATM recently and all I heard was a giant sucking sound.

inyourendo?

lanyard

SamHall wrote: »

Can I ask a serious question?

How do you negotiate this site, and read the threads if you're blind?

I've watched a few of this guys videos. He is a blind film critic! Anyway, here he is describing how he uses an iPhone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0nvdiRdehw

matrim

wnolan1992 wrote: »

There are any number of screen reader programs. JAWS is quite popular, but is not the only one. Basically reads back all text on screen. And as for getting around the site in general, a combination of bookmarks and keyboard shortcuts can make a huge difference. (Just press the TAB key on ye're keyboards and notice how the cursor moves around from option to option?)

EDIT: Oh, and these programs also tend to have a keyboard echo, which reads back what you type.

On a slightly related note, when I used to work tech support, I once got a call from a guy that said "apparently his screen was funny". I tried to find out how but all he said was how he'd been told this but didn't notice it himself. He worked in the same building as me so I went up for a look.
It turned out his desktop was upside down (On some pcs ctrl + alt + arrow key rotates your screen), he didn't notice because he was blind and used a screen reader so it didn't matter for him , but a colleague was trying to look at something on his pc and couldn't because everything was upside down

Duckworth_Luas

Derinda wrote: »

Don't worry - I think every dad torments their children, mine had me believing for years that he was in the Merchant Navy when he was younger!

It's how they show love!

How did he finally break it to you that all those strange men weren't his shipmates?

Cee-Jay-Cee

Derinda wrote: »

Don't worry - I think every dad torments their children, mine had me believing for years that he was in the Merchant Navy when he was younger!

It's how they show love!

Did he also tell you about his friends Master Bates, Seaman Stains and Rodger the Deck Hand?

doglover89

Hey SamHall and everyone,

Yep, I use a screenreader, the JAWS one mentioned above. YOu can get others though, which is good because JAWS costs like 2 grand!

I also use a Braille Display, which is a oblong machine which you plug in via USB port to your computer and it puts everything on the screen into Braille, wich refreshes itself as you read. (grust me, just look up some samples of JAWS speaking and you'll see why I prefer Braille!). Hope that makes sense.

Wow I never knew you could turn your screen upside-down...

Mu famly go a bit nuts whenever they want to use my laptop because I tend to forget to turn the brightness up enough so they can see the screen, because I turn it down to save the battery.
have a ncie Tuesday!

doglover89

*sorry about all the spelling mistakes, think college is frying my brain!

kowloon

Not to go off topic too much, but I remember hearing about a website service where people would upload photos of food packets and the likes. Someone could typed the ingredients, cooking instructions or whatever back. I thought character recognition programs would do that.

After spending a short while blind (effectively) I'm not sure I could cope. On the subject of Dads, he liked putting a potted cactus near anything important as a surprise for me.

tricky D

Ever notice those 2 keys on your keyboard with the small pips, often on the F and J keys? They're to help blind or hard of sight users get their bearings on a keyboard. There's a large subset of Web and software development, known as Accessibility, devoted to providing assistance to mainly users with sight issues, but also wand users (quadraplegics) and other impaired users.

rubadub

tricky D wrote: »

They're to help blind or hard of sight users get their bearings on a keyboard.

They're to help anybody do it without having to look. I use them all the time. My keypad has one on the 5 too.

There is a myth that green rizlas with the corners cut were so blind people could tell which side the gum was. A blind person could easily feel for the gum. The corners are really to aid rolling, making it easier to tuck the ends in, which can otherwise easily fold over on themselves if you are not great at rolling.

While it's hard to imagine using a computer blind or with a big deficit in eyesight when it's all someone's ever know I doubt they find it much of an issue. I remember having to use a laptop without the trackpad for a few days once and it doesn't take that long to get used to using keyboard shortcuts and the rest for switching between tabs, switching between windows, getting into the edit menus, opening programs etc. etc. Funny enough it was take me a day or two again to get fully comfortable doing it but I use the trackpad on my laptop less than anyone I know.

tricky D

rubadub wrote: »

They're to help anybody do it without having to look. I use them all the time. My keypad has one on the 5 too.

Cheers, forgot about them being useful for typing. No wonder my touch typing has gotten so bad lately.