What do you make of these EBI value

49801

Bought 2 dairy bull calves to put under Suckler cows that had lost their calves last spring sourced from a very good local Dairyman. It transpired later that hair samples were requested by the AI companies for both of them. But we missed the requests last year as they were being sent to the farm of origin. Decided to roll the dice and submit the hair samples ourselves a few weeks ago and the results were published today.
Will be looking to move the bulls on in the next few weeks.

My knowledge of Dairy breeding is limited so what do you make of these EBI values?
What would they be worth? (both are up around the 400kg LW mark.

Animal No. 1663
DOB 12-Feb-12
Sex M
Lact 0
Sire LRW
EBI 222*
Milk 57
Fert 125
Calv 37
Beef -6
Maint 5
Mmgt 4
Health 0
Milk 196
Fat 11.8
Prot 10.1
Fat 0.08
Prot 0.07
Calv Int -7.3
Surv 3.2


AND

Animal No. 1692
DOB 24-Feb-12
Sex M
Lact 0
Sire HYZ
EBI 233*
Milk 76
Fert 126
Calv 38
Beef -16
Maint 12
Mmgt 1
Health -5
Milk 56
Fat 19
Prot 9.9
Fat 0.32
Prot 0.16
Calv Int -6.5
Surv 4.1





SORRY... will try sorting that text out!

delaval

Looks to me like fert figures are good but kgs fat and protein too low. These bulls are good for beef only IMO. Maybe some breeding guru could shed further light.

mf240

delaval wrote: »

Looks to me like fert figures are good but kgs fat and protein too low. These bulls are good for beef only IMO. Maybe some breeding guru could shed further light.

Nothing special but not very bad not good enough for Ai stations

Factory or sell as clean up bulls

The second bull has goodish percentages for solids

49801

mf240 wrote: »

Nothing special but not very bad not good enough for Ai stations

Factory or sell as clean up bulls

The second bull has goodish percentages for solids

Was hoping they would be suitable as stock bulls. Yes/no?

49801

49801 wrote: »

SORRY... will try sorting that text out!

Might be easier to read some screen shots of the report

For tag 1663

49801

49801 wrote: »

Might be easier to read some screen shots of the report

For tag 1692

PMU

these would make perfect clean-up bulls for heifers this year, and cows next year

whelan1

49801 wrote: »

Was hoping they would be suitable as stock bulls. Yes/no?

i am sure there are alot of bulls being sold as stock bulls with worse figures, solids are ok

Min

whelan1 wrote: »

i am sure there are alot of bulls being sold as stock bulls with worse figures, solids are ok

PMU wrote: »

these would make perfect clean-up bulls for heifers this year, and cows next year

I would agree with these two comments.

pakalasa

Do ye Dairy guys notice a significant improvement at farm level, since the EBI figures were introduced? I get the feeling that, a lot of beef guys have no faith in the ICBF beef figures (for beef cattle).

stanflt

pakalasa wrote: »

Do ye Dairy guys notice a significant improvement at farm level, since the EBI figures were introduced? I get the feeling that, a lot of beef guys have no faith in the ICBF beef figures (for beef cattle).

Ignorance is bliss. When Ebi first cane out every dairy farmer said it would be a fad that would last 3-4 years. Years on the farmers that adapted to the system are the ones that are constantly making more cent per litre profit. It is a slow progress but at least as an industry we are heading in the right direction


IMO beef is just like show ring cows- nice to look at but too much b''l s''t involved and no real value put on how much profit is actually made at delivering the finished product

pakalasa

Stan,
That's good to hear. I'm a great believer in the figures. It will take a few generations of breeding to convince some beef people though.

49801

Min wrote: »

I would agree with these two comments.

Sound. Not knowing much about dairying I was struggling to understand the figures and know if the bulls would be worth bothering with for breeding. I'll put them up on DD in the next day or so and see how it goes.

49801

Well i've one sold since last weekend:D
Would you believe it was a neighbor who got out of suckling last year and gone milking cow and we bought some of his cows last Oct... and we now selling up shortly and going contract rearing... world works in funny ways:cool:

Only a few silly people ringing about the other bull and wondering 'how much' before they even ask the EBI values or tag number to check for inbreeding.

I can never understand people trying to do a deal over the phone not having seed the stock:(.