The use of in car GPS tracking tools to report your offence

Rabidlamb

I'm involved in the trucking industry where fleet management software has been around for years.
Now with real-time GPS I know what speed a driver was doing into the last bend & how many G's he pulled.
Most smartphones now come with GPS systems & accelerometers.

The inevitable is that all this technology gets incorporated into all ranges of cars inside 10 years.
The Good:
Greater driver feedback
Instant tracking if stolen
Remote shutting off a possibility

The Bad:
Wife can see where your having an affair
The Guards computer system could immediately issue you with a ticket for speeding, essentially your own car ratting you out

Does anyone see this as a real threat in the future or will privacy laws knock my vision of 1984 on the head ?.

darragh o meara

Piracy laws will put a stop to that I'd imagine. However what I can see happening is GPS back speed limiters. I recently read a report from another engineer I know who is working on such a system for heavy commercials. The gist is that the unit will use speed limit information like what appears on your sat nav and adjust the speed limiter accordingly.

Will it work? With a few niggly issues mainly relating to calibration this could well be a viable option.

Corkbah

darragh o meara wrote: »

Piracy laws will put a stop to that I'd imagine. However what I can see happening is GPS back speed limiters. I recently read a report from another engineer I know who is working on such a system for heavy commercials. The gist is that the unit will use speed limit information like what appears on your sat nav and adjust the speed limiter accordingly.

Will it work? With a few niggly issues mainly relating to calibration this could well be a viable option.

surely you would need an override facility in the event of an emergency ?

bladespin

Snip, snip, can't work without a power supply

darragh o meara

bladespin wrote: »

Snip, snip, can't work without a power supply

Not if its wired through the ecu like some modern speed limiters. Snip snip will make you stop stop

darragh o meara

Corkbah wrote: »

surely you would need an override facility in the event of an emergency ?

I've nothing to do with the design of it but I would imagine a short burst of power could be implemented into it. However with trucks ( which this system is being designed for ) don't accelerate very quickly so I don't really see how it would be of benefit.

bladespin

darragh o meara wrote: »

Not if its wired through the ecu like some modern speed limiters. Snip snip will make you stop stop

No, it doesn't :rolleyes: Limiters can be bypassed, you could jump the power supply to the GPS, bam - invisibility, works on trackers etc too, it's only a piece of electronics, not rocket science.

dr.fuzzenstein

Well, the idea will be pay per kilometer and if you travel during peak-times on a heavily used commuter route-price goes up.
Instantaneous reporting of speed vs speed limit, instant fine and points.
Maximum points reached? Car stops there and then, till the driving ban is over.
No tax or insurance? Car won't start.
How will they know it's you driving? Fingerprint readers are already cheaply and easily available.
As soon as you start that car, the central database will know that Joe Blogs just got in his car and is trying to start it. Quick check for points, driving bans, tax, insurance and outstanding warrants and you may proceed, as the computer on the other end tells your car it is OK to start. It won't be you starting your car, you will have to get permission to be allowed to start your car.
Insurance company will get real-time data of your driving-premium goes up. Unless you drive everywhere at 30 km/h.
My vision of it is very much Big Brother watching you with his finger on the button.
If it's data and it's online, it can be obtained-everyone knowing where you are and where you have been. And not just the proper authorities. Criminals will work out a way to use this data to their advantage.
Maybe a camera will be fitted eventually, a cop will be watching your every move behind the wheel. On the phone, eating, changing radio station, talking to the passenger-instant points and fine.
It's this idea that every motorist is a criminal and you have to catch them out any way you can and get them off the road that annoys me.
We should either say that we are a society that relies on cars and then facilitate that, or we should say no we don't want cars and get rid of them. Pissing about in no man's land inbetween where we say "OK you can have your car, but we get to treat you like sh*te in return" is just neither one nor the other.
But I'd say the motivation is "If we can get E5k per year out of people who absolutely have to have a car, I'm sure we can get E10k out of them, now we just need a way to make that happen"

pete4130

Here in Australia, ALL mining, gas, oil vehicles are fitted with IVMS systems (in vehicle monitoring systems) to record speed, braking, G's, turning, acceleration etc... It's a good reminder if you happen to drift over the limit.

All infringements get sent to the main client. Some are seen as reasonable (e.g. hitting 130kph in a 110 zone for overtaking a road train). They've cut down on a lot of accidents as there is accountability for whoever was driving at the time to find out who was in the wrong.

My former a$$hole boss got the sack this week for hitting 135kph in a work designated 80kph zone (he thought his IVMS wasn't working and always drove like an idiot.) It couldn't have happened to a nicer bigger d1ckhead. Not only was he kicked off site (and never allowed work for the client worldwide again, he also lost his job with the company.

In the real world, if you were in an accident and caused a lot of damage or deaths the authorities would be able to use your log files in your GPS as evidence, the same way they would be able to use your dashcam footage.

Baldandold

bladespin wrote: »

No, it doesn't :rolleyes: Limiters can be bypassed, you could jump the power supply to the GPS, bam - invisibility, works on trackers etc too, it's only a piece of electronics, not rocket science.

todays limiters in trucks are tamper proof snip snip stop stop ............ All is built into the main cpu of the truck and the truck wont run without it

langdang

bladespin wrote: »

No, it doesn't :rolleyes: Limiters can be bypassed, you could jump the power supply to the GPS, bam - invisibility, works on trackers etc too, it's only a piece of electronics, not rocket science.

You go MacGuyver! Can't believe the owners of newer skylines, that won't deliver full power unless at a track, didnt think of moving a few jumpers straight away!

bladespin

Baldandold wrote: »

todays limiters in trucks are tamper proof snip snip stop stop ............ All is built into the main cpu of the truck and the truck wont run without it

langdang wrote: »

You go MacGuyver! Can't believe the owners of newer skylines, that won't deliver full power unless at a track, didnt think of moving a few jumpers straight away!

I'd be surprised if the limiters were built directly into a car's CPU, I'd imagine as a selling point it would be the end of any customer interest (especially if the lefties picked up on it).

If it's electronic then there's always a way around it, fact, you just need someone with the right skills to decide to figure a way. As for moving jumpers, that's news to me, can you show me how that's done, I thought you'd have to build one.

Didn't they already figure a way around the Skyline limiter (pretty sure I read that somewhere).

SeanW

I imagine this thread must be like porn for IWH, cyclopath and their ilk

dr.fuzzenstein

SeanW wrote: »

I imagine this thread must be like porn for IWH, cyclopath and their ilk

Yep, anything that is yet another stick to beat the motorist with, will always be approved of by some people.
And that is exactly what that is. Except it is so much more. Legislation these days is so complex that the average Joe cannot know even 1% of it. That means you are guilty of something and as the classic saying goes, ignorance of the law is no defence.
Same goes for employees, in fact company policies are so complex, same goes here.
Legislation and surveillance are a great instrument to keep the general populous quiet, or get rid of them if they're not.
So now the state and your employer have, at any one time, enough sh*t on each and every one of us that they can do us, if they really wanted to. And they will want to, should a person become loud and annoying enough.
What will the future be like?
Well, it will still be a democracy on paper, but you better shut up and keep the head down, otherwise "they" are coming to get you.
And the great thing about evidence is that it only has to exist, it doesn't have to be true.
Am I being paranoid? Hell, no. Just look at how much surveillance has exploded since even the 1990's (nevermind the latter half of the 20th century), your phone, computer, pad, credit card (and the central databases they're connect to), login-system at work, surveillance cameras and now even you car know where you are at any give moment, what you're up to, who are you meeting, what you say to them, what your reading, what you're writing, buying, where you go on holidays, eat, watch, etc...
The younger generation (and I'm only 42) view all this as totally normal and future generations will know nothing else but total and complete surveillance. They're like the frog in a jar of water where the temperature is slowly being raised, they don't even notice it.
All this relies on the cooperation of the masses, it can only be done to us if we let it happen.
I never liked the term "Sheeple", but I'm afraid the boot fits...