RTE Radio One gives up the ghost in the evening

mike65

John Creedon is now on for two hours every evening. 8 till 10 pm, they might as well just shut up shop and play out an automated list.

SEPT 23 1989

mike65 wrote: »

John Creedon is now on for two hours every evening. 8 till 10 pm, they might as well just shut up shop and play out an automated list.

He plays some alright stuff

Harry Angstrom

Creedon isn't the worst of them. He was a lot better in the pre-lunchtime slot than Ronan Collins is now. It's the afternoon schedule which needs an overhaul. They should get rid of The Mooney Show and bring back Rattlebag again.

mike65

he could have even better taste than I and Danny Baker combined! Its that RTE have shrugged and given over 10 hours per week to music on what is supposed to be the nations premier radio channel that is important.

By way of contrast. Here are the BBC radio 4 programmes at the same time

Monday
20:00 – 20:30 In Search of the British Dream Mukul Devichand asks how millions of newcomers are fitting in to British society.
20:30 – 21:00 Analysis The Alawis Owen Bennett Jones looks at Syria's Alawis,
21:00 – 21:30 Material World High speed rail; Radioactive waste; Universe within us; Quantum Biology. 21:30 – 21:58 Start the Week Al-Qaeda: Afghanistan to Mali

Tuesday
20:00 – 20:40 File on 4 Russian Riches London is home for many rich Russians. But how much are they vetted on arrival ?
20:40 – 21:00 In Touch PIP, boot camp and Moon In praise of Moon literacy; 'boot camps' for young people; your PIP questions answered.
21:00 – 21:30 Inside Health Yellow cards, virtual autopsies, genetics and cancer
Dr Mark Porter goes on a weekly quest to demystify the health issues that perplex us.
21:30 – 21:58 The Life Scientific Valerie Beral Jim Al-Khalili talks to breast cancer pioneer Valerie Beral.

Wednesday
20:00 – 20:45 Moral Maze The Moral Virtue of Marriage Engaging debate on the moral virtue of marriage. Chaired by Michael Buerk.
20:45 – 21:00 Pop-Up Economics The Indiana Jones of Economics 4/5 How Bill Phillips - war hero, croc-hunter - became one of the fathers of macro-economics.
21:00 – 21:30 Costing the Earth Robot Farmers How satellite technology and advances in robotics may revolutionise the future of farming.
21:30 – 21:58 Midweek Dr Bertolt Meyer, Trader Faulkner, Scott Albrecht, Jessica Fox
Libby Purves meets psychologist Dr Bertolt Meyer and actor Trader Faulkner.

Thursday
20:00 – 20:30 The Report High Street Closures What knock-on effect will recent retail collapses have on the high street?
20:30 – 21:00 The Bottom Line Books Evan Davis and guests explore the impact of the digital revolution on the book industry.
21:00 – 21:30 Saving Species Series 3, British and Arctic Mammals 23/24 Brett Westwood, the BBC Natural History Unit and the Open University look into wildlife.
21:30 – 21:58 In Our Time Epicureanism Melvyn Bragg and his guests discuss the philosophy of Epicureanism.

Friday
20:00 – 20:50 Any Questions? Any Questions? David Davis, Norman Baker, Alan Milburn, Julie Bindel
Jonathan Dimbleby presents political debate and discussion from Gateshead
20:50 – 21:00 A Point of View A Point of View Grand Central celebration
David Cannadine celebrates the saving of New York's century-old Grand Central station.
21:00 – 21:58 Friday Drama Friday Drama The Forgotten
By Anne Devlin. While suffering from lapses in memory, Bee meets a strange creature.

Brain food of every variety.

europa11

To be brutally honest about it, RTE R-1 gives up the ghost long before evening. The decline starts at 1:45p.m. every weekday.

Loafing Oaf

I think this is just a knock-on effect of moving the 7 p.m. sports show to 2fm.

IMO the root problem here is the lack of clarity over the respective missions of R1 and 2FM. They should declare R1 an all-talk station equivalent to BBCR4 and turn 2FM into an easy-listening station comparable to BBCR2, where the likes of Creedon and Collins (and indeed Tubridy) could find a natural home.

Tombo2001

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I think this is just a knock-on effect of moving the 7 p.m. sports show to 2fm.

IMO the root problem here is the lack of clarity over the respective missions of R1 and 2FM. They should declare R1 an all-talk station equivalent to BBCR4 and turn 2FM into an easy-listening station comparable to BBCR2, where the likes of Creedon and Collins (and indeed Tubridy) could find a natural home.

I think you are spot on there.

2fm has been completely messed up; it has no identity whatsoever.

The irony is that they obviously brought some media consultants in at some point who told them to go after the "yoof" demographic using "wacky" and "zany" presenters who mix chat with pop hits.

Problem is that this alienated any listeners it had and didnt win them any new ones.

There was a time when I could have told you the 2fm line up from 9am to 12pm, now I couldnt name a single DJ apart from tubs in the morning, who I dont listen to anyway.

Thats not because I've stopped listening to radio. Rather, 2fm has nothing for me.

As for Creedon, I'm a fan. I like him. And he plays good music. 90 mins is probably enough, but feck it, make him work for his salary. I'm sure he is paid enough.

Tombo2001

mike65 wrote: »

By way of contrast. Here are the BBC radio 4 programmes at the same time

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Brain food of every variety.

I dont think its fair to benchmark RTE against the beeb.....for obvious reasons.

Is League of Ireland benchmarked against the premiership? Is the Irish film industry benchmarked against the British one?

(Caveat, by the same token, no Irish Radio Personality should ever be demanding pay on a pari passu level with top level Beeb DJs).

Bloody*Mary

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I dont think its fair to benchmark RTE against the beeb.....for obvious reasons.

Is League of Ireland benchmarked against the premiership? Is the Irish film industry benchmarked against the British one?

(Caveat, by the same token, no Irish Radio Personality should ever be demanding pay on a pari passu level with top level Beeb DJs).

I don't think the lad is actually benchmarking the stations.

I would read his post as outlining the the fact that the day doesn't 'end' at 1900

and there is plenty of opportunity for more informative programmes rather than 2 hours of music.

That's RTEs solution to everything,slap on some mindless music and sure it costs little and the punters won't complain.

I cant see why Collins and Creedon are on RTE1 in the first place.

If it's music people want, 2FM is the place to put it.

armchair fusilier

You see can why programmes like Ceili House, Failte Isteach, Roots Freeway...etc would fall under the public broadcasting remit, but not these 10 hours of easy listening. They're a real throw back to one radio station-land, but that's a long time ago now and there are plenty of other stations that play that kind of stuff these days.

Shunt them all over to 2fm. They can't do any worse than what is already there.

heybaby

In reality what RTE need to do is create another station. Now hold on and let me finish. If you remove all the music from radio one an just have it all talk, move tubs and hayes off 2fm and have 2fm just playing music aimed at the 15 - 34 age bracket, then create a third station similar to BBC radio 2 / 4 and play music for an over 35's audience. This could feasibly be done if the powers that be cleared out some of the massively overpaid dinosaurs in radio 1 and reallocated the money, but essentially is possible. Radio 1, 2FM and Radio 3, I like it

Loafing Oaf

heybaby wrote: »

In reality what RTE need to do is create another station. Now hold on and let me finish. If you remove all the music from radio one an just have it all talk, move tubs and hayes off 2fm and have 2fm just playing music aimed at the 15 - 34 age bracket, then create a third station similar to BBC radio 2 / 4 and play music for an over 35's audience. This could feasibly be done if the powers that be cleared out some of the massively overpaid dinosaurs in radio 1 and reallocated the money, but essentially is possible. Radio 1, 2FM and Radio 3, I like it

But would that sort of 2FM really be serving a useful purpose? Aren't Spin and to a lesser extent 98FM etc. already doing that? If it was making a crust then fine no harm done, but 2FM is already essentially chasing the 'yoof' market and AFAIK has been losing money for the last few years. Of course there's no guarantee it would be doing any better if it turned into the third station you describe, but at least then it would have some sort of PSB justification...

Dirigent

For me, it's the opposite. The 7pm sports garbage was an instant channel changer, now I'm much more likely to stay listening after Drivetime.

L1011

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

IMO the root problem here is the lack of clarity over the respective missions of R1 and 2FM. They should declare R1 an all-talk station equivalent to BBCR4 and turn 2FM into an easy-listening station comparable to BBCR2, where the likes of Creedon and Collins (and indeed Tubridy) could find a natural home.

This would require them to either effectively abandon the <35 market entirely, or roll out and heavily promote DAB nationwide (using Pulse/2XM as replacements for the market that 2FM doesn't actually adequately serve, but tries to)

Infoanon

Tombo2001 wrote: »

2fm has been completely messed up; it has no identity whatsoever.

Radio 1 were running a promo today for the Rugby match tomorrow on Radio 1 - using 2FMs promo music as the bed......

heybaby

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

But would that sort of 2FM really be serving a useful purpose? Aren't Spin and to a lesser extent 98FM etc. already doing that? If it was making a crust then fine no harm done, but 2FM is already essentially chasing the 'yoof' market and AFAIK has been losing money for the last few years. Of course there's no guarantee it would be doing any better if it turned into the third station you describe, but at least then it would have some sort of PSB justification...

Neither 98fm nor spin would play abroad enough music range if you were looking to appeal to every music taste in the 15-34 demographic that bbc radio 1 does so well. You would need specialist music programmes and also a station policy of breaking new songs / artists which 98fm certainly doesnt do. With radio 1 you have jocks who genuinely know their music in their chosen field, spin and 98 are purely commercial format stations, the former appealing to the pop / dance orientated 15 - 34 demograpahic, the latter,a hot hits station with the odd oldie thrown in and dedicated dance show for a few hours at the weekend.