Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Should we be allowed vote by post?

  • 06-02-2013 7:51pm
    #1
    somefeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭


    I think we should.
    Since I'm a student abroad I am technically still resident in Ireland, but I can't vote.
    Even though I'm away for up to a year at a time.
    So either say I'm no longer resident or give me the means to vote without having to come all the way home.
    Other people too with jobs that might call them away for long periods to foreign countries would also benefit.
    Do you think it would change much?
    I'd say it would, especially since huge chunks of the population have disappeared.


Comments

  • #2
    andymurphy93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 68 ✭✭andymurphy93


    so you think irish people who have left the country for what ever reason should be able to vote for what goes on in the country ? haha hahahahahahahahhahahh


  • #3
    somefeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭somefeen


    andymurphy93 wrote: »
    so you think irish people who have left the country for what ever reason should be able to vote what for what goes on in the country ? haha hahahahahahahahhahahh

    No but if they're still counted as resident than they should be allowed and accommodated for.
    I wouldnt agree with people who have left for good voting thats just silly.
    But I do wonder if much would change if that was allowed as well.


  • #4
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    How would it work, would you carve you picks on the post and then place it in a river to make its way to dubalin, that is all.


  • #5
    Praetorian Saighdiuir
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    I get a postal vote.....ha ha, up yer swiss roll!


  • #6
    Kat1170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Kat1170


    I can ;)


  • Advertisement
  • #7
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    Kat1170 wrote: »
    I can ;)

    This could work, but who would seal it, that is all.


  • #8
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    3ndahalfof6 wrote: »
    How would it work, would you carve you picks on the post and then place it in a river to make its way to dubalin, that is all.
    3ndahalfof6 wrote: »
    This could work, but who would seal it, that is all.

    :pac: I can see that! ;)


  • #9
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    somefeen wrote: »
    I think we should.
    Since I'm a student abroad I am technically still resident in Ireland, but I can't vote.
    Even though I'm away for up to a year at a time.
    So either say I'm no longer resident or give me the means to vote without having to come all the way home.
    Other people too with jobs that might call them away for long periods to foreign countries would also benefit.
    Do you think it would change much?
    I'd say it would, especially since huge chunks of the population have disappeared.

    You are not a resident in Ireland, would you like to vote in the country you are a resident in?

    How long would you suggest people are living away from Ireland before they lose the right to decide how the people who are living here live?

    The huge chunks of the population who have disappeared should not have the right to decide how the country progresses, if they were that patriotic they would not leave.

    I know all about no jobs etc, makes no difference.


  • #10
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    andymurphy93 wrote: »
    so you think irish people who have left the country for what ever reason should be able to vote for what goes on in the country ? haha hahahahahahahahhahahh

    I have family and friends who have left for good, abroad and they care more about Ireland than many do here. They pay attention to events that are happening here and I'm sure sometimes look on in despair while counting their blessings. The people who are gone felt the force of the recession and left. These are the very people that would care enough to bring about change which is so badly needed in so many ways. I'm not saying those that are left behind don't care or don't want change but my god there are many people that are so apathetic:
    'sure what can we do but pay up?'.
    Ireland will always be home for those that have left. I'm sure that they would want to return home sometime to a state that's healthy and good.


  • #11
    666irishguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭666irishguy


    Yes, somebody who left the country due to the current economic mess should be able to hold the clowns who made the mess and have forced them to head abroad accountable.


  • Advertisement
  • #12
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    Chucken wrote: »
    :pac: I can see that! ;)

    Are you sure you can seal that, what party do you belong to?, to get a vote is to repay it with your promises made when trying to recieve it, that is all.


  • #13
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I have family and friends who have left for good, abroad and they care more about Ireland than many do here. They pay attention to events that are happening here and I'm sure sometimes look on in despair while counting their blessings. The people who are gone felt the force of the recession and left. These are the very people that would care enough to bring about change which is so badly needed in so many ways. I'm not saying those that are left behind don't care or don't but my god there are many people that are so apathetic:
    'sure what can we do but pay up?'.
    Ireland will always be home for those that have left. I'm sure that they would want to return home sometime to a state that's healthy and good.
    But why should someone who doesn't live here at all be able to have a say in how the country is run, when they don't have to deal with the consequences?
    It's fair enough to use the 'sure what can we do but pay up?' argument, but if the bailout/anglo irish etc. was put to a referendum, would it be fair for them to vote against it based on whatever reasons they may have, without having to deal with the crippling consequences that such a vote could have on the people living in the country?


  • #14
    carlmango11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭carlmango11


    andymurphy93 wrote: »
    so you think irish people who have left the country for what ever reason should be able to vote for what goes on in the country ? haha hahahahahahahahhahahh

    You've never left the country for a few weeks or more? You should try it, it's quite enlightening.

    Do you think people who's jobs require them to work temporarily abroad should be stripped of their voting rights? What about students doing a semester or 2 abroad? Or people on long holidays? Or students on summer visas who are seeing the world?


  • #15
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I have family and friends who have left for good, abroad and they care more about Ireland than many do here. They pay attention to events that are happening here and I'm sure sometimes look on in despair while counting their blessings. The people who are gone felt the force of the recession and left. These are the very people that would care enough to bring about change which is so badly needed in so many ways. I'm not saying those that are left behind don't care or don't want change but my god there are many people that are so apathetic:
    'sure what can we do but pay up?'.
    Ireland will always be home for those that have left. I'm sure that they would want to return home sometime to a state that's healthy and good.

    They might care but they don't have to live with the consequences of their vote.


  • #16
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    But why should someone who doesn't live here at all be able to have a say in how the country is run, when they don't have to deal with the consequences?
    It's fair enough to use the 'sure what can we do but pay up?' argument, but if the bailout/anglo irish etc. was put to a referendum, would it be fair for them to vote against it based on whatever reasons they may have, without having to deal with the crippling consequences that such a vote could have on the people living in the country?

    The bailout/anglo will never be put to a vote or referendum.

    Why should people who've been forced to leave their home country not get a vote?

    Look at what our own nation can do when they get a vote. They voted in a party (FF) back in 1997 after they bankrupted Ireland in the 80s. Do you think you FF would have got a chance to fcuk us up again, if the people who fled from our shores due to hardship and other sh1te (charlie haughey?) were allowed to vote?


  • #17
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    The bailout/anglo will never be put to a vote or referendum.

    Why should people who've been forced to leave their home country not get a vote?

    Look at what our own nation can do when they get a vote. They voted in a party (FF) back in 1997 after they bankrupted Ireland in the 80s. Do you think you FF would have got a chance to fcuk us up again, if the people who fled from our shores due to hardship and other sh1te (charlie haughey?) were allowed to vote?
    Because they don't live here. There's no point in letting emotion dictate whether a person should be allowed vote or not. The fact is, they don't live in the country so therefore they should not have a say in how it's run.

    I don't know if it'd be different today if non-residents had a vote and neither do you so it's a silly argument.


  • #18
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    MagicSean wrote: »
    They might care but they don't have to live with the consequences of their vote.

    But there's many young people here in ireland and future generations that will have to live with the consequences of the apathetic and careless and greedy voting of the past that went on here in this country. We'll take what went on from 1997 as an example. One failure on our part was pothole politics interfering with national elections and issues. Anyone given a right to vote from abroad more than likely wouldn't have based their vote on the pothole back home that needs filling in and so when any vote eg in a general election wouldn't have been swayed or bought on local issues an promises.

    Also they want to be proud of the country and where they came from and they're not going to fcuk that up.


  • #19
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    Because they don't live here. There's no point in letting emotion dictate whether a person should be allowed vote or not. The fact is, they don't live in the country so therefore they should not have a say in how it's run.

    I don't know if it'd be different today if non-residents had a vote and neither do you so it's a silly argument.

    Trust me. Theres no bitterness, or anger or sadness or any other emotion with them gone that's backing my view and opinion that people forced away with emirgration should be allowed to have a vote on issues back home.


  • #20
    somefeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭somefeen


    HondaSami wrote: »
    You are not a resident in Ireland, would you like to vote in the country you are a resident in?

    How long would you suggest people are living away from Ireland before they lose the right to decide how the people who are living here live?

    The huge chunks of the population who have disappeared should not have the right to decide how the country progresses, if they were that patriotic they would not leave.

    I know all about no jobs etc, makes no difference.

    According to the government I am. Since I left for the purposes of education I am still resident in Ireland. Yet I have no say whatsoever in what goes on since I don't have the means of getting home for one day just to vote.
    It just pisses me off.


  • #21
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    somefeen wrote: »
    According to the government I am. Since I left for the purposes of education I am still resident in Ireland. Yet I have no say whatsoever in what goes on since I don't have the means of getting home for one day just to vote.
    It just pisses me off.

    Did you vote in the last election? you will be back living here for the next election

    I don't think people who have emigrated should have a vote on how the country is run, that would be ridiculous.


  • Advertisement
  • #22
    CollardGreens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭CollardGreens


    What about military abroad, do they get to vote? This last election in the US many US military ppl that are in other countries had their votes "conveniently" lost by who knows (um, yes we do know).

    So IMO, if you are a citizen of a country your vote needs to be counted in that particular country. Once you let go of your citizenship then you no longer have that right.


  • #23
    jsabina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭jsabina


    I am italian and working here for more than 2 years.
    I vote via post for italian elections.
    To be honest I don't know for how many years I will be able to vote for italy, I think until I have the italian nationality and I don't apply for the irish one?
    I know more of italian politic than irish politic to be honest, even if I am learning.

    I was wondering during these days why should I choose the party who will guide italy, when I should be more concerned about ireland.

    Do you prefer that foreigner people can vote in ireland?
    In italy I think you should have the italian nationality before to be able to vote.
    (it's a real question :P )


  • #24
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    HondaSami wrote: »
    You are not a resident in Ireland, would you like to vote in the country you are a resident in?

    How long would you suggest people are living away from Ireland before they lose the right to decide how the people who are living here live?

    The huge chunks of the population who have disappeared should not have the right to decide how the country progresses, if they were that patriotic they would not leave.

    I know all about no jobs etc, makes no difference.

    Sorry but could you explain how leaving Ireland either to get a job,broaden your experience, or enhance your skills can described as unpatriotic?
    I know many people who left for a variety of reasons, including to obtain work rather than be a burden on the state while living in poverty and I would think they would be insulted by a cheap jibe like that.


  • #25
    dan1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    I think you should be allowed to vote if your away from the country on a temporary basis. Studying, long holiday, job sends you to Germany for three months, military service etc.
    I don't think you should be able to vote if you are currently seeking citizenship to another country (while still not in Ireland), hold a permanent job abroad or have been absent from the country for a certain length of time (two years for example).


Advertisement