Something to consider for noobs and those on the fence

RossFixxxed

Hi guys,

As many of you know on here I threw a bit of a strop on getting my Kanger Twist Kit. It was non functional and I got pretty annoyed. I've been bad mouthing vaping etc here.

HOWEVER, I wanted to add this point to those who are thinking of taking it up or are on the fence.

Since I chucked the kit, I've gone back on the fags. And I'm on more than ever. I have a sore on the roof of my mouth that REALLY hurts, and probably need it checked. I've had dreams for the last 2 weeks about being diagnosed with cancer, and dying like my uncle did last year (as a direct result of smoking). I'm stressed, I'm tired, I'm irritable and I'm smoking ciggarettes like a complete maniac. I feel absolutely horrible and I'm STILL hitting the fags.

So I guess I'm saying, don't let moaners like me put you off. Don't let getting to grips with new technology and a bit of messing around put you off either. The alternative absolutely sucks and I'm absolutely miserable and disappointed in myself.

I doubt any vapers are having these issues. That bloody voice in your head says ahhh this ecig thing sucks, it's x and it's y and so on. You just damn lie to yourself and convince yourself the fags are better.

I couldn't have been more wrong in a lot that I said. If you aren't sure, give it a go. The sheer stress I'm under is horrible and it is completely and utterly my own damn fault!

Don't forget why you are interested in this sort of thing to begin with. Getting annoyed with leaks and crappy batteries beats this!

Have a good day guys. R

donkey oatey

There's a vapemeet happening on the 16th Feb in Palmerstown. If you come along you can see some of the kits that people use and maybe you'll find one that you prefer to the kanger twist set. Hope you find a way of the fags (whether it's vaping or something else).

RossFixxxed

Thanks Not a bad plan, will try to get down and say hi to people. The twist kit seems cool, it just didn't work. The T2s were leaking severely, and one didn't work. One battery was broken from the get go. However, my current situation is absolutely ridiculous.

I'll have to assess it all again, in a calmer fashion!

artyeva

very big of you to come back and let others know that, so fair play. get that sore checked and it'll set your mind at ease at least -stress is rarely worth it! and i hope you find a way out of the lovely-fag cycle. it's a vicious b*tch!

kiffy

RossFixxxed wrote: »

Hi guys,

As many of you know on here I threw a bit of a strop on getting my Kanger Twist Kit. It was non functional and I got pretty annoyed. I've been bad mouthing vaping etc here.

HOWEVER, I wanted to add this point to those who are thinking of taking it up or are on the fence.

Since I chucked the kit, I've gone back on the fags. And I'm on more than ever. I have a sore on the roof of my mouth that REALLY hurts, and probably need it checked. I've had dreams for the last 2 weeks about being diagnosed with cancer, and dying like my uncle did last year (as a direct result of smoking). I'm stressed, I'm tired, I'm irritable and I'm smoking ciggarettes like a complete maniac. I feel absolutely horrible and I'm STILL hitting the fags.

So I guess I'm saying, don't let moaners like me put you off. Don't let getting to grips with new technology and a bit of messing around put you off either. The alternative absolutely sucks and I'm absolutely miserable and disappointed in myself.

I doubt any vapers are having these issues. That bloody voice in your head says ahhh this ecig thing sucks, it's x and it's y and so on. You just damn lie to yourself and convince yourself the fags are better.

I couldn't have been more wrong in a lot that I said. If you aren't sure, give it a go. The sheer stress I'm under is horrible and it is completely and utterly my own damn fault!

Don't forget why you are interested in this sort of thing to begin with. Getting annoyed with leaks and crappy batteries beats this!

Have a good day guys. R

Hi Ross I hope your sore is down to nothing more serious than just being run down.
So now would be a good time to give vaping another go, especially as you say yourself your smoking more than before.
So money doesn't seem to a problem if your prepared to spend €10 plus a day, so why not try a Vamo its a vv mod and the cheapest one out there, and those who own one swear by them (except those who drop them and damage the fire button )
so for around €50(ish) you can start vaping away again, a lot less than you would spend in a week smoking and by the wording of your post give you peace of mind too.

artyeva

kiffy wrote: »

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So money doesn't seem to a problem if your prepared to spend €10 plus a day, so why not try a Vamo its a vv mod and the cheapest one out there, and those who own one swear by them (except those who drop them and damage the fire button )

i still swear by 'em kiffy you old codge

the vapemeet is a good idea though, give you a chance to see some devices in the flesh and find something that's suitable.

richardw001

Have to say whatever the experiences that you had with the twist were - you shouldn't leave them put you off !

Esmoking kit has improved leaps and bounds in the past year or two.
I tried to give up before a couple of years back with ecigs - with limited success (was back on smokes again after 6 months) - problems were batteries, carts and just simply alot of messing!

Anyways I got a kanger (t3) /ego twist kit two weeks ago (based on reading here)- and haven't smoked since.
I would recommend it to anyone with poor will power (like me!) - once you get over the dubious appearance of it - it really provides an adequate substitute for smoking.

Of course I have my misgivings about eliquid (in particular the sources/manufacturing) - however at least in the short term its doing less harm then smoking.

Anyways perhaps as people have said maybe you should consider going to that vaping meet they are talking about on the forum ?

kiffy

artyeva wrote: »

i still swear by 'em kiffy you old codge

the vapemeet is a good idea though, give you a chance to see some devices in the flesh and find something that's suitable.

Sorry Arty could't resist that dig with your damaged button
I hadn't seen the 2 other posts before I replied to the post, and the meet is a good way to sus out a good tool, especially as it's only 10 days away.

DirtyBollox

Also at the vapemeet there is a little raffle where you could win a starter kit. it'll only cost you whatever you spend getting to the vapemeet.

RossFixxxed

Money is a factor at the moment, but the price of cigarettes is insane to be fair. So if anything I would stand to save from it.

Thaks for the replies guys, I'll do my best to get to Palmerstown. Cold turkey worked best for me but I'm under considerable pressure and stress lately and I can't seem to get myself into gear. This may be a decent substitute for now. I've tried eSmoking a couple of times, but early on the tech was poor. I was unfortunate getting such a badly broken kit and that WAS offputting. My current situation is far more stressful and concerning. I'm barely able to type as my hands are shaking! I'm not the hypocondriac type so for this to set me off this much is, in and of itself, a concern and a stark warning to me. I'm absolutely miserable and it's hard to even say that as I know it is my fault, I'm the one ****ing up and causing this scenario.

I'll look into other kits again and see what I think. I just wanted something I could vape when I needed a smoke. I got something that produced no vapour whatsoever and wouldn't charge one of the batts. 70+ euro for one battery is a bit of a joke. I SHOULD have returned it but I never got around to it and fell right back into a crappy trap of ciggies, from 10 a day to 20+

Don't do what Donnie Don't does.

illicit007

Come to the vapemeet Ross I'll give you a hit of my eGo twist and my vivi nova and you'll be throwing out clouds of vapour and getting a nice throat hit and nice taste. Also if you chain vape on it you'll get light headed from all the nicotine Other guys at the vapemeet will have stuff more advanced than my ego-twist + vivi nova combo that I'm sure would knock the socks off ya.

illicit007

Also it's bad luck you had bad luck At the beginning I had some trouble with some cheap chinese imitation stuff. Also this stuff is consumable so expect to throw out atomisers and batteries regularly, but all in all it can be cheaper than smokes, but the biggest plus factor is the health benefits. Even if you spend the same as on smoke on vaping it's still 100x worth it cus nothing is more important than your health.

RossFixxxed

Thanks guys. I have used the Kanger T2 Twist set up and the vape was good, the particular liquid wasn't to my taste but yeah I DO get the vaping thing... I just need a kit that acutally works.

I might not be able to make vapefest, I'm completely stoney broke, in actual financial difficulty to say the least. I'll probably have to wait a couple of weeks to have the cash. It is well worth looking into again.

Tbh I'm really not into tinkering with these things at all. I want something that works and I can then just fling in the bin when it runs out. Messing with liquids etc is a bit of a pain. The Kangers were an OK compromise (well in theory, in practice they leaked all over the floor). I'll get shoping online in the meantime and see what's what.

The J&J disposables are great idea in theory, not in execution. I love they are cheap and you can just bin the thing when it is done. However, they just don't cut it at all in terms of hit an battery life. I'm looking for a middle ground I guess.

jakdublin

Great idea to get down to the meet in Palmerstown. I wish I could drop down myself but I'll be away. If you're in Dublin you could also drop into the Ovale shop in Gardiner Street. They'll let you try before you buy and in my experience the Ovale e-lips is the easiest kit for starting off. It's more expensive compared to other kits mentioned here but I think it's unbeatable in terms of ease of use. Very little messing about. Also, if you can borrow some money for a kit you'll be able to pay it back within a week or ten days. I know of four people I've recommended the Ovale to and they're all still off cigarettes.

illicit007

If you come to the vape meet I'll buy you a pint Ross and you can try out my stuff. I plan on bring a few spares of everything and a load of liquids for people to try. Also a couple of spare drip tips so if I ask to take a vape off someones device I'll use my own drip tip to save people getting infected with the zombie virus. As jaxdublin suggests you'd be on your way to paying off a wee loan off a loved one if you didn't need to buy smokes within a week or two. Don't let money put you off your health. Try and save at least a small deposit on a device, borrow the rest and as jaxdublin suggests check out that shop to see if you find something easy to use, also pop by the vapemeet to see if you find something to your liking there.

RossFixxxed

I thought it was this Saturday. Next Sat might be doable! I'll pop back on to you guys if I can make it and maybe meet you there and have a chat?

Thanks for all the posts guys, I thought it was worth following up. To every downside... there's a FAR worse alternative with cigarettes.

DirtyBollox

16th of February in the silver granite in palmerstown

RossFixxxed

Cheers guys, is there anything I can do in the meantime, money is absolutely brutal for me for the next few weeks. I can't afford a proper 'rig' but the J&J disposables are a bit pants. Is there a cheap middle ground (carto style or something) that I can get in a shop in Dublin to tide me over?

Smoking is literally killing me, and it is causing me a lot of stress lately... which I try to solve by smoking!

grindle

Get in touch with Cass at Pure Vapour. They're based in Dublin, don't mind collections, and this kit should tide you over well enough.

Bear in mind that if you ever overfill a carto with another juice and it leaks into the battery, the battery will die.

You can get pre-filled cartos to stop such bodged jobs from happening.

RossFixxxed

Thanks. I'm thinking the refilling / kanger / drip thing isn't for me. I think I'd prefer to buy refilled cartos etc instead. I'll give that a check out. I appreciate the help. My life is in complete turmoil at the moment so I'm sure my posts don't come across the best. You guys have been brilliant!
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Pushtrak

Ross, I'll be bringing along the Imist 2 and the Biansi elife so you can have a go at them see what you think of them. Going to the Vapemeet if you can will be really worth it. You'll get to try out different kits, see what they look like in person.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to being able to talking to people in person. Think it'll be better than the usual of posting here, and then having a follow up, and then it turns into a load of follow up questions. Some of the vendor sites aren't going as vendors, though they'll be bringing stuff along to show.

RossFixxxed

I will try and get there for sure, but can't confirm for sure due to variability in work hours etc.

I'm looking over all the kits and I have realised I don't want to get involved with any filling, changing parts, fixing bits and bobs, bottles of juice etc. Maybe I'd get into that once I've settled into it, but not for now.

Is there a decent quality kit like this that anyone uses? Something like a J & J disposable but much better quality. I can see the appeal of the T2 twist kit, it produces a good hit and holds a lot of juice and charge, but I hated messing around and the leaking, the filling, those damn wicks, twiddling with the twist, the heads, the screw that didn't reach the batt etc just drove me mad.

I'd rather spend more money on convenience than get annoyed at the fiddling and just abandon it. That's a crappy reflection on me, but in all honesty I know it is how I am. It'd be easier to work with that than try to change my personality around vaping!

The priority would be:
Stop smoking
Start vaping
Be less of an impatient douche bag.

EDIT: It's worth saying again that I really appreciate all the replies. You guys have been a great, great help.

grindle

Pre-filled 2ohm cartos with a standard ego battery.
Pure Vapour and Vapour Pal sell both of these.

RossFixxxed

Is an ego-c twist batt (the one from the kanger twist starter kit) a 'standard' ego batt?

illicit007

the ego-c twist battery has a 'standard' ego threading yes... it also has a standard 510 threading (the ego threading is the larger one on the outside and the 510 is the smaller thread on the inside)

RossFixxxed

I popped into Ovale Ireland there. Had a chat with the lady there and grabbed 2 non replaceable clearomisers (not ideal but they are a good inbetween for me) and a bottle of liquid. 20 bucks

The service was fantastic, she didn't want to sell me a ton of stuff, she seemed actually quite determined to help me not smoke! Gave me a business card to call or pop in if I have any issues. I can't speak highly enough of how good the service was. Brick and mortar suits me personally more than internet, and I'd pay more to pop in and try things first.

I'll get it all set up tonight. I've one cigarette left and hopefully that's IT.

superneat

RossFixxxed wrote: »

I've one cigarette left and hopefully that's IT.

That's the best attitude to have! It's how I transitioned myself. Smoked my last few, then substituted them with the vaping.

I started to just give up the fags but it's become somewhat of a hobby to me now...don't let that happen to you!

Pushtrak

RossFixxxed wrote: »

The service was fantastic, she didn't want to sell me a ton of stuff, she seemed actually quite determined to help me not smoke! Gave me a business card to call or pop in if I have any issues. I can't speak highly enough of how good the service was. Brick and mortar suits me personally more than internet, and I'd pay more to pop in and try things first.

I definitely get where you are coming from. I started out by trying a cigalike and then got a 510-T in a tobacconists in Limerick. There aren't any tobacconists in Cork city though (Unless there is one I haven't been able to find which may be the case - no tobacconists strikes me as bizarre) so I haven't been able to check things out in person.

I got lucky though, with the Imist. It probably isn't a perfect device, for instance the cartridge spot where you fill them isn't very big, so I have to use a syringe with certain e-liquids. The battery is great though and love the device generally. The vapemeet, to me will be like going in to a e cig shop or tobacconist would be like except better, by virtue of talking to so many people about it.

There was one back in September I think, but I couldn't make that. That was around when I moved to Cork, and had too much on my plate. If you don't get to go to this one, you should try and make it to the next one. In either case, hopefully you'll have something to keep you going so you'll have one less worry.

grindle

Pushtrak wrote: »

There aren't any tobacconists in Cork city though (Unless there is one I haven't been able to find which may be the case - no tobacconists strikes me as bizarre) .

Closed last January. Big news Leeside - probably should've stocked ecigs like all the novelty gizmo and PC shops have started doing.

artyeva

RossFixxxed wrote: »

I popped into Ovale Ireland there. Had a chat with the lady there and grabbed 2 non replaceable clearomisers (not ideal but they are a good inbetween for me) and a bottle of liquid. 20 bucks

The service was fantastic, she didn't want to sell me a ton of stuff, she seemed actually quite determined to help me not smoke! Gave me a business card to call or pop in if I have any issues. I can't speak highly enough of how good the service was. Brick and mortar suits me personally more than internet, and I'd pay more to pop in and try things first.

I'll get it all set up tonight. I've one cigarette left and hopefully that's IT.

alex in the ovale store is a terribly nice bloke too, met him at the vapemeet in clare.

glad you got sorted ross

RossFixxxed

Small update: had a day off yesterday and the single worst headache I have ever had. However, I didn't have any cigarettes, I did some vaping but the headache stopped most activities outside of moaning and feeling sorry for myself.

I'm only using one clearomiser, it holds 1.8 ml and is lasting me a fair while so far! Today is my first day in work off the ciggies and the iFag, sorry ecig (ha) is holding up well so far. The ego c twist is lasting several hours thus far, and I have the usb charger to hand.

It is more pleasant than smoke, but there is still a craving for the 'usual routine' of smokes. I'm thinking I'll wander out to the smoking area at the usual times and keep that part alive for today. The weekends are significantly easier as I tend not to have much anyway

Thanks for all the help folks, I'm crossing fingers this is the start of a healthier, happier me!

I don't know what clearomisers I actually have. You can't change the heads, and they SEEM to heat the bottom rather than the top like the T2 did (I think?) They have a 'V' like logo on them looks like \/// I guess! Holds 1.8 and is flying along.

eeloe

That's a Vision Clearomizer

If you can't replace the head it's a v2, if you can replace the head, it's a v3!

illicit007

A lot of people have side effects from quitting smoking. Some people on here have complained about things like a rash and sore lips and coughing and loads of stuff. Some of them said they've gone to the doctor to get it checked out why it's happening. Maybe they thought it's the ecigs. However the ones that posted they went to the doctor said the doctor told them it's very common to have these side effects when quitting smoking and generally they clear up within a few days time. That being said however if you do have health problems best course of action is see a doctor. All I'm saying is that if the headache has gone away happy days and good to hear the second time around vaping is going better. Vaping is always going to be a bit more of a pain in the ass than just whipping out a smoke and lighting her up. But at least now you don't have to stress and worry about your health and infact now over time you're going to start feeling much healthier. Remember to drink extra water now that you vape because vaping drys the mouth and throat and can dehydrate you a bit which can cause headaches etc. If you drink an extra glass of water a day that will be more than enough! Good man.

Pushtrak

RossFixxxed wrote: »

Small update: had a day off yesterday and the single worst headache I have ever had. However, I didn't have any cigarettes, I did some vaping but the headache stopped most activities outside of moaning and feeling sorry for myself.

I started getting headaches near the start too. Couldn't be more specific as it's going back to end of May/start of June. It was while I was using the 510-T and Tobacco Ice. I was thinking it must be the e-cigs as I've done cold turkey with regular cigs for like a month a load of times but just enjoy the habit, so would go back. Never experienced headaches as a result of that.

Anyway, I saw people posting here that they thought it was related to being off the cigs. I'm not sure that assessment is entirely right, but it made me think it'll pass, so I went off and bought another e-liquid. Tried it out, and I had finished the lot before I went with the conclusion that I wasn't getting headaches off that. I'd only bought one e-liquid replacement which was the one that was gone, and I hadn't actually thrown out the previous one. I went back to it, and it was fine, didn't get any headaches off it, so I was happy out. There is definitely an acclimation aspect, as to the exact acclimation, I couldn't say. The PG/VG content, would be my guess.

Edit: Note obviously this is my experience, and there may be an element of "breaking from regular cigs/the tar and all that goes with that" where it might not have been the case for me for others. I can't really say it doesn't play a role for others.

RossFixxxed

Thanks for all the feedback, I can't be sure if the headache is at all related to vaping or smoking, didn't make that clear. Was more making the point I didn't need to smoke, or vape much as I was sick. Didn't plan on a quit day but that kind of fell into my lap. Was a day off work wasted... excpet I didn't smoke so that makes it a worthwhile day.

I'm off work in 2 hours now and haven't smoked yet, I'm having a few stealth vapes at my desk and I do feel a bit dizzy / unwell. I might reign back the liquid to a lower one (16 mg is a bit high I think). Still beats the damn fags a million times over so far!

I don't drink so the weekend won't be too bad, I hope. I definitely need the ecig around as a crutch atm for certain situations, but less than I thought. So far the plan is to toally stop in a week or 2, or once the gear starts to degrade. Fingers crosed again. Appeciate all the comments!

illicit007

Yea man keep a few smokes around for when you need them. Lots of people quit really quickly, some others take a few days or weeks, don't feel pressured, make it enjoyable.

I prefer the lower nic juice myself but some people find they need the higher nic or they end up with their vaping device basically stuck to their face all day. Stealth vaping is the best! haha love it. Was stealth vaping in a resturant last night and everything. Hold the vapour in for a bit then blow it down under the table, feck all vapour comes out that way.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

not sure how stealthy you're being if you're bending down to stick your head under the table every 15 minutes

illicit007

I just pretend I'm a very messy eater, which by the look of me people tend to believe rather easily

Silverfish

Ah crap, are we supposed to be stealth vaping in work?
I'm here at my desk with a cloud around me.

Well done RossFixxxed, you're doing good.

RossFixxxed

So I got cocky and went and bought some zero nicotine liquid, and it is HORRIBLE. There's not throat hit off it and immediately I want to go out and buy cigarettes!

So this has me thinking: I got this kit to quit smoking, but I do not want to take up vaping. Obviously, I started too quick from 16 mg straight to zero, but basically I'm as addicted as I was. I KNOW it's a harm reduction situation, and that's good, but I still feel like the same dirty addict, filling my little bottles, and carrying the kit around.

This isn't a justification to go back on the smokes, and I haven't. I've refilled with the 16mg for now. I dunno. I still wonder how pumping myself full of nicotine is going to help me quit nicotine.

Even with the 16 mg I'm wandering around jealous of non smokers, but I'm also jealous of those who ARE smoking! I'm going around smelling the smoke and loving it.

I've approached this all wrong, goddamn ADHD makes everything seem so complicated.

Anyone with experiences to share on this, or tips and tricks? Am one step away from buying a pack.

donkey oatey

It is common practice to taper the dose of addictive substances when weaning someone off something. Maybe thing of vaping as a less harmful nicotine delivery system that can be used with lower and lower concentration of nic.

RossFixxxed

donkey oatey wrote: »

It is common practice to taper the dose of addictive substances when weaning someone off something. Maybe thing of vaping as a less harmful nicotine delivery system that can be used with lower and lower concentration of nic.

Yep I dived in at the deep end there, and realised quickly that was a mistake. I'll work on lowering it slowly over the next few weeks, have the zero now at least saved away in my desk.

I just feel that continuing nicotine witout smoking is kind of a crappy limbo for me. I can't smoke, but I'm keeping the drug coursing through my veins all day.... Seems like quitting cocaine by smoking cocaine tbh.

Marshall987

RossFixxxed wrote: »

So I got cocky and went and bought some zero nicotine liquid, and it is HORRIBLE. There's not throat hit off it and immediately I want to go out and buy cigarettes!

So this has me thinking: I got this kit to quit smoking, but I do not want to take up vaping. Obviously, I started too quick from 16 mg straight to zero, but basically I'm as addicted as I was. I KNOW it's a harm reduction situation, and that's good, but I still feel like the same dirty addict, filling my little bottles, and carrying the kit around.

This isn't a justification to go back on the smokes, and I haven't. I've refilled with the 16mg for now. I dunno. I still wonder how pumping myself full of nicotine is going to help me quit nicotine.

Even with the 16 mg I'm wandering around jealous of non smokers, but I'm also jealous of those who ARE smoking! I'm going around smelling the smoke and loving it.

I've approached this all wrong, goddamn ADHD makes everything seem so complicated.

Anyone with experiences to share on this, or tips and tricks? Am one step away from buying a pack.

Don't cave in and buy fags, stick with your 16 mg and stop thinking its to high, think positive about vaping, if you keep worrying bout it, you'll convince yourself smoking is the easier option.

You'll soon get over the smell of smoke and it won't be tempting, I can be around smokers all day now, and I'd never get an urge to smoke a fag, I'm in a band and everyone else in it is smokes and gigging was the hardest part when drinking and running out for a quick fag on break. But after a few gigs that feeling was gone.

Vaping is just an all round better option and to me nicer tasting option.:)

artyeva

give yourself some time to get used to it, lower the juice to 14mg or 12mg first when you're ready. i know you say you want to cut out nic altogether but i don't know of anyone that would be able to able to wean themselves off anything in 5 days.

be patient.

you'll get there eventually but stop pressurising [no idea how to spell that] yerself

RossFixxxed

artyeva wrote: »

give yourself some time to get used to it, lower the juice to 14mg or 12mg first when you're ready. i know you say you want to cut out nic altogether but i don't know of anyone that would be able to able to wean themselves off anything in 5 days.

be patient.

you'll get there eventually but stop pressurising [no idea how to spell that] yerself

I tend to dive into things, with a deficit of attention... and hyperactivity... eh I jump in without looking like a bloody fool. I'm reigning it back in and readjusting the time line way out on this one!

Thanks for the kind words folks, bloody smoking is even more insidious than I gave it credit for.

grindle

RossFixxxed wrote: »

So I got cocky and went and bought some zero nicotine liquid, and it is HORRIBLE. There's not throat hit off it and immediately I want to go out and buy cigarettes!

Vodka @ 5-10%.

RossFixxxed

Well I cracked. Like a mad yoke. They're pretty horrible aren't they? I've reloaded the 16mg for now, have to keep the mindset of it is healthier and over time I can lower it. Patience and common sense are NOT my friends.

Thanks again guys. I'll stick with the nic liquid for now as the zero just frustrated me, no point in finding excuses for now.

illicit007

RossFixxxed wrote: »

Yep I dived in at the deep end there, and realised quickly that was a mistake. I'll work on lowering it slowly over the next few weeks, have the zero now at least saved away in my desk.

I just feel that continuing nicotine witout smoking is kind of a crappy limbo for me. I can't smoke, but I'm keeping the drug coursing through my veins all day.... Seems like quitting cocaine by smoking cocaine tbh.

It's nothing like that really. In the world 5 million smokers die every year. The equivalent of thirty 747's crashing everyday. 100 million smokers died in the 20th centuary. If nothing changes one billion smokers will die in the 21st century.

Cigarettes started off as tobacco leaves rolled in paper. Since then tobacco companies have added a cocktail of chemicals much worse than nicotine to cigarettes. Chemicals to keep them burning when you put them down. In the 1980's they discovered a new chemical catayst for nicotine they could add to cigarettes to make them even more addictive.

Nicotine itself is a naturally occurring chemical. It's derived from Niacin which is one of the chemicals listed on a bunch of stuff on the label of my expensive B vitamin supplements bottle. Some other plants contain it in small amounts like Celery.

I'm not advocating people take up nicotine. Nicotine does have some side effects of it's own that in incredibly high doses (like everything) can be poisonous. Also if you've got heart problems it makes your heart pump faster etc. But for a smoker vaping is nothing like trying to quit smoking cocaine by snorting it or something instead. It would probably be more comparible to trying to quit heroin by taking up smoking medical marijuana.

If you're vaping (at any strength of nicotine) is a clear and major win over smoking. Congratulations man. If I were you I'd be patting myself on the back, walking around with a big grin on my face, while bellowing clouds of vapour everywhere.

:cool:

DubTony

RossFixxxed wrote: »

Well I cracked. Like a mad yoke. They're pretty horrible aren't they? I've reloaded the 16mg for now, have to keep the mindset of it is healthier and over time I can lower it. Patience and common sense are NOT my friends.

Thanks again guys. I'll stick with the nic liquid for now as the zero just frustrated me, no point in finding excuses for now.

Ross, I bought an ecig in November. I too had a pain in my face filling the thing with liquid every day but quickly got over it. Filling it is a hell of a lot easier than walking or driving to the shops. I couldn't be bothered with mods or fixing things; and buy 2 or 3 long wick atomizers for my T2 every time I order liquid. And now I spend an average of €7 to €8 a week.
I reduced the nic from 18mg to 15 (mixed 18 and 12) to 12 and now I'm on 9mg. The throat hit reduced, but as I got used to it I dropped the nic a bit more. I'm amazed at how quickly I've managed to do that.
You're right, it's all about mindset. It's been said that the best way to kick a habit is to replace it with another. Give the ecig a real go for a full month and you'll be sorted.