How, when, and why did Kilmacanogue lose the letter U?

LordSutch

Its always been Kilmacnogue since I was a nipper, and my parents before me, and my Grandparents before that, (as my Father will testify to), but now its Kilmacanoge (the letter u has been dropped) in the last year or two!!!

First it started with (some of) the road signs, then some articles in the local paper, and the now the buses have driopped the letter U also?

Anyone got any ideas why the name has had this subtle adjustment?

ted1

Cut backs, as an area it took up a disproportionatly amount of the signage budget.

John Mason

apparently, we have all been spelling it wrong and the signs were changed to the correct spelling.

it was in the bray people a few months ago.

so it wasnt a **** up in the printers :rolleyes:

Fr_Dougal

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doubleyoubee

Nobody likes U apparently OP.

Boombastic

In the last year or two according to reports

LordSutch

But who decides that the name has been spelt wrong for so long?

El Guapo!

In the great vowel fire last year.
RIP a,e,i,o,u.

murpho999

As part of the bailout , the IMF/EU Troika insisted on a government U-turn.

Where To

Could be worse, could be Dungloe/Dunloe/Dunglow An Clochan Liath.

Mint Sauce

Where the feck is Kilmacnogue.

Winty

In Donegal we had a village called Laghey now we just have Laghy

I miss Laghey

Lando Griffin

irish-stew wrote: »

Where the feck is Kilmacnogue.

There is no Kilmacnogue its spelt Kilmacnoge.

TeddyTedson

Wickla


It's all to do with Kylie Minogue most likely...

LordSutch

Lando Griffin wrote: »

There is no Kilmacnogue its spelt Kilmacnoge.

But only in the last two years :cool:

Yellowblackbird

It's a silent 'u'

Can we be sure Kilmacanogue exists. Is there any proof?

LordSutch

Yeah, my Grandmother was born there!

Annasopra

irish-stew wrote: »

Where the feck is Kilmacnogue.

On the N11 on the Outskirsts of Bray

http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Kilmacanogue&hl=en&ll=53.168592,-6.136208&spn=0.007396,0.01929&sll=53.3834,-8.21775&sspn=7.53904,19.753418&oq=kilmacan&hnear=Kilmacanoge,+County+Wicklow&t=m&z=16&iwloc=A

chris445

Lando Griffin wrote: »

There is no Kilmacnogue its spelt Kilmacnoge.

So you're getting rid of the "a" now too? Keep this up and it will be called Klmcng in no time.

castletownman

I'm not sure, but I think it's inhabitants were suffering from a particularly bad case of Irritable Vowel Syndrome.

dxhound2005

LordSutch wrote: »

But only in the last two years :cool:

If you go to the census of 1841 or 1871 or any census it is spelled Kilmacanoge. If you look at any Ordnance Survey map of Wicklow from any date you will not find anywhere called Kilmacanogue.

It is not unusual for local variations of placenames to become accepted as standard but there always has to be only one legal version and it is Kilmacanoge. Another example which caused controversy when the NRA used the legal version is Caher Co Tipperary (yes Caher is the correct legal version) but the variation Cahir was accepted as standard by most people.

http://eppi.dippam.ac.uk/documents/16380/eppi_pages/434672

smash

Most people just say Kilmac anyway!

trad

ted1 wrote: »

Cut backs, as an area it took up a disproportionatly amount of the signage budget.

So Newtownmountkennedy is fecked?

Who decides what the correct name for a place is anyway.

hardCopy

mariaalice wrote: »

Who decides what the correct name for a place is anyway.

Mick

JJJJNR

newtownmountkennedy ftw

vektarman

On the other hand some place names have become longer eg Palmerston is sometimes called Palmerstown.

trad

vektarman wrote: »

On the other hand some place names have become longer eg Palmerston is sometimes called Palmerstown.

Not sure about that one.

Palmerstown is on the N4 west of Dublin City before the M50

Palmerston is somewhere between Ranelagh, Rathmines and Dartry.

Who changed the Zoo to Zú?

Bullseye1

The locals have got rid of a lot more characters than u. They call it Kilmac.

vektarman

trad wrote: »

Not sure about that one.

Palmerstown is on the N4 west of Dublin City before the M50

Palmerston is somewhere between Ranelagh, Rathmines and Dartry.

Who changed the Zoo to Zú?

I call it Palmerstown but all the road signs call it Palmerston, and if you apply for planning permission naming it Palmerstown your application is turned down.

Edit: just checked the OSI site and they call it Palmerston (on the N4)

a fat guy

I could copy and paste that and still spell it wrong.

Damn it Ireland...

LordSutch

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you go to the census of 1841 or 1871 or any census it is spelled Kilmacanoge. If you look at any Ordnance Survey map of Wicklow from any date you will not find anywhere called Kilmacanogue.

It is not unusual for local variations of placenames to become accepted as standard but there always has to be only one legal version and it is Kilmacanoge. Another example which caused controversy when the NRA used the legal version is Caher Co Tipperary (yes Caher is the correct legal version) but the variation Cahir was accepted as standard by most people.

http://eppi.dippam.ac.uk/documents/16380/eppi_pages/434672

So sometime after 1871 the 'ogue' was adopted by the locals which then became the norm for whatever
reason, and now over a hundred and forty yars later years later, the council has finally rectified it.

Many Thanks for that dxhound2005, question answered, mystery solved.

Thread closed.

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Capt'n Midnight

trad wrote: »

Who changed the Zoo to Zú?

Gáirdín na nAinmhith was never going to survive the signage cutbacks.

Still miss Sú

MadsL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUiTQvT0W_0

Capt'n Midnight

During the Great Depression they had to shorten Hollywoodland.

And the only way they could keep "New York, New York" was to change "El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río de Porciúncula" to L.A.

ThisRegard

The bigger issue is how to pronounce it, Kil-ma-chanic or Kill-mac-an-ogue ?