Official UFC Rankings Announced

MrStuffins

Agree? Disagree?

Pound for pound:

1. Anderson Silva
2. Jon Jones
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Jose Aldo
5. Ben Henderson
6. Cain Velasquez
7. Dominick Cruz
8. Demetrious Johnson
9. Frankie Edgar
10. Dan Henderson


Flyweight:

Champ: Demetrious Johnson
1. Joseph Benavidez
2. John Dodson
3. Ian McCall
4. John Moraga
5. Jussier da Silva
6. Louis Gaudinot
7. Chris Cariaso
8. John Lineker
9. Darren Uyenoyama
10. Ulysses Gomez


Bantamweight:

Champ: Dominick Cruz
1. Renan Barao (Interim Champ)
2. Michael McDonald
3. Urijah Faber
4. Eddie Wineland
5. Brad Pickett
6. Brian Bowles
7. Rafael Assuncao
8. Scott Jorgensen
9. Mike Easton
10. Ivan Menjivar


Featherweight:

Champ: Jose Aldo
1. Chad Mendes
2. Ricardo Lamas
3. Chan Sung Jung
4. Frankie Edgar
5. Dennis Siver
6. Cub Swanson
7. Dustin Poirier
8. Nik Lentz
9. Erik Koch
10. Clay Guida


Lightweight:

Champ: Ben Henderson
1. Gilbert Melendez
2. Anthony Pettis
3. Gray Maynard
4. Nate Diaz
5. Jim Miller
6. Donald Cerrone
7. T.J. Grant
8. Rafael dos Anjos
9. Joe Lauzon
10. Khabib Nurmagomedov


Welterweight:

Champ: Georges St. Pierre
1. Johny Hendricks
2. Carlos Condit
3. Nick Diaz
4. Rory MacDonald
5. Demian Maia
6. Jake Ellenberger
7. Martin Kampmann
8. Josh Koscheck
9. Jon Fitch
10. Tarec Saffiedine


Middleweight:

Champ: Anderson Silva
1. Chris Weidman
2. Vitor Belfort
3. Michael Bisping
4. Yushin Okami
5. Mark Munoz
6. Constantinos Philippou
7. Luke Rockhold
8. Hector Lombard
9. Alan Belcher
10. Tim Boetsch


Light Heavyweight:

Champ: Jon Jones
1. Dan Henderson
2. Lyoto Machida
3. Alexander Gustafsson
4. Glover Teixeira
5. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
6. Rashad Evans
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Phil Davis
9. Ryan Bader
10. Gegard Mousasi


Heavyweight:

Champ: Cain Velasquez
1. Junior dos Santos
2. Fabricio Werdum
3. Daniel Cormier
4. Antonio Silva
5. Frank Mir
6. Alistair Overeem
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
8. Roy Nelson
9. Stefan Struve
10. Shane Carwin

El Guapo!

At a quick glance, I'd probably agree with most of it.
But I'd put Gray Maynard ahead of Pettis at the moment. I'd like to see that fight too.

Also, Dan Henderson in the p4p list?
Maybe it's just me but I can think of others to go in ahead of him.

MrStuffins

Pound for pound:

1. Anderson Silva
2. Jon Jones
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Jose Aldo
5. Ben Henderson
6. Cain Velasquez
7. Dominick Cruz
8. Demetrious Johnson
9. Frankie Edgar
10. Dan Henderson


Featherweight:

Champ: Jose Aldo
1. Chad Mendes
2. Ricardo Lamas
3. Chan Sung Jung
4. Frankie Edgar
5. Dennis Siver
6. Cub Swanson
7. Dustin Poirier
8. Nik Lentz
9. Erik Koch
10. Clay Guida

Shazbot

I assume that's the averaged rankings for all the reporters. I can't really argue with any of the rankings.

Here's a link for a full break down of each reporter

The stand out for me was Mike Johnston's (sportsnet) list for P4P. He has Jon Jones at 6!
Another would be Jeff Wagenheim (SI.com) and Anthony Springer Jr. (FightNews) putting Rousey in the P4P list at 8. She's a great talent and deserves respect but she doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list!

MrStuffins

Shazbot wrote: »

She's a great talent and deserves respect but she doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list!

Which of the P's stands for penis?

riffmongous

Frankie at 4 for FW and Bisping at 3 for MW?? Other than that seems pretty decent, I dont think its any better than the Sherdog rankings that have been around for years, and include non-UFC fighters too

Be like Nutella

Bones in at 2 ahead of GSP on the P4P list?
kinda dissin GSP don't ya think?

GSP hasn't lost even once since Jones started fighting MMA !
And every one of GSP's opponents were THE top contenders to the throne at that time (all top guys 10 in a row!) - much higher quality opponents relatively than a lot of Bones's guys as he worked his way up (which is not surprising)... so I don't know how he comes in ahead of GSP... some journalists must think Bones is a tougher man to beat than GSP in any given match up right now which is true hypothetically speaking, maybe, but not based on results, as GSP hasn't lost once during Bones's entire career to date... I don't get it.

Unless Bones is being rated more dangerous for finishing more fights earlier? and he did fight 17 times while GSP had 10 fights - so points for fighting more times fair enough but it's still too early to knock GSP off the 'second to Silva' throne yet !

(come to think of it GSP needs to fight more often seriously 10 fights in 5 and a half years... c'mon man)

Shazbot

MrStuffins wrote: »

Which of the P's stands for penis?

The second one... As I said, she's a fantastic talent but I don't think it merits a top 10 P4P just yet. Her professional career is less than 2 years old and she's only had 6 pro fights. They were 6 impressive performances too. In both lists were she's mentioned, Frankie Edgar is left out. That's just not right.

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MrStuffins wrote: »

I think the pound for pound list is a ridiculous concept. It doesn't seem to have a strict definition and is open to interpretation. At the very least you should have fought at a different weight class (I'm looking at you GSP). I mean the list just comprises of the champions in all divisions plus two more. Bit crude.

Frankie Edgar is a man that wasn't blessed with size on his side as has fought and beaten men naturally larger than him. If he hasn't beaten them then he has brought them so close to a decision that you can't help but think that if Frankie walked into the cage at the same weight as his opponents that he would come out with a win.

Same goes for Henderson. The man has fought from MW up to HW and beaten some of the best, if not the best, in those divisions. I believe he should be higher in this poll.

MrStuffins

I don't think you had to have fought in another weight class.

P4P for me is this:

If every fighter in the world was the same weight (along with other miscellaneous factors being equal) , who is the best?

I don't know how they can say Frankie is 9th P4P in the world and then put 3 more names in front of him at FW. Madness.

I also think they could do without using the term altogether. It used to be used n only a special occasion. But now they're wheeling out actual rankings? F*ck that!

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MrStuffins wrote: »

I don't think you had to have fought in another weight class.

I also think they could do without using the term altogether. It used to be used n only a special occasion. But now they're wheeling out actual rankings? F*ck that!

Exactly. It's so open to interpretation that it's like saying who would win Superman or a Dyson Hoover. But fair play to papa Dana. He knows how to get people talking on it.

Is there actually a criteria that they based these rankings on?

Mellor

p to the e wrote: »

It doesn't seem to have a strict definition and is open to interpretation. At the very least you should have fought at a different weight class (I'm looking at you GSP).

What has fighting in different weight classes got to do with anything?
I don't think there's different interpretations either, everyone gets the idea, but certainly none were moving weight classes is relevant to P4P as a concept.

That said, the UFC rankings are obviously all over the place in terms of P4P - simply because they have to promote their champions.

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Mellor wrote: »

What has fighting in different weight classes got to do with anything?
I don't think there's different interpretations either, everyone gets the idea, but certainly none were moving weight classes is relevant to P4P as a concept.

I wouldn't say that. As a basic concept it is fairly easy to get but I think each person would have a different top ten P4P because they judge them on different criteria.

Sure the top 2 or 3 would be the same because they are just so skilled that it's obvious but then when you get below that people are going to judge on their own interpretation of what P4P means. All you have to do is see how each judge picked to see this.
http://www.ufc.com/rankingsdetail

It's actually really interesting to note that every single judge put Dominic Cruz ahead of Renan Barao and only two judges put Rousey in there at all.

Xlami

Mighty Mouse lowest ranked out all the champions on the p4p list. That has to be a joke. As much as he's a great talent I think Cain would be last on that list by a mile. I don't think people fully know what the term pound for pound mean. My definition would be in line with that of MrStuffins. So if you look at Cain he has phenomonal cardio and strenght, decent boxing and excellent wrestling. Chad Mendes has identical attributes but just because he doesn't weigh 230+ pounds he's not considered for the list. I like to see the term p4p removed from MMA as I don't think anyone has a clue what it means.

Mellor

p to the e wrote: »

I wouldn't say that. As a basic concept it is fairly easy to get but I think each person would have a different top ten P4P because they judge them on different criteria.

Sure the top 2 or 3 would be the same because they are just so skilled that it's obvious but then when you get below that people are going to judge on their own interpretation of what P4P means. All you have to do is see how each judge picked to see this.
http://www.ufc.com/rankingsdetail

That's because people have different opinions of fighters, even of the important skills, not because they have a different understanding of what P4P means.

I still don't get the comment about fighting in different divs.
The UFC P4P ranking is nonsense because they have to put the champs top to promote them. Based on Frankies two fights with Bendo, he should be ahead in terms of P4P for example.

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Mellor wrote: »

The UFC P4P ranking is nonsense because they have to put the champs top to promote them. Based on Frankies two fights with Bendo, he should be ahead in terms of P4P for example.

Do you mean Frankie should be ahead of Bendo? If so then I completely agree. And this is sort of what I mean about fighters being out of their division.

Edgar is naturally not a LW. He belongs in Featherweight or even Bantamweight at a push. For him to fight out of his comfort zone like this means he deserves to be given more weight (pun unintentional) in the P4P rankings.