Iran's new stealth jet nothing more than a mock-up?

Jonny7

This new jet presented by Iran recently seems nothing more than a propaganda exercise incorporating a prototype that according to various sources makes no sense and will be virtually unflyable.





Basically I think the authorities are putting out a completely fake plane to bolster the image of the Iranian military/airforce

studiorat

They've also seemed to have come up with the most expensive apparatus for removing moles from monkeys!

Meanwhile Ahmadinejad is planning a trip into space.

After launching his monkey into space, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said he is ready to be the first human to go into space sent by Iranian scientists.

Ahmadinejad was hailing the efforts of Iranian space officials who were part of the recent project that launched the monkey.

The president said: "Sending living things to space is the result of Iranian efforts and dedication of thousands of Iranian professional scientists," adding: "I am ready to be the first human to be sent to space by Iranian scientists.

brimal

I think it is a (very poorly made) prototype that will need a lot of changes if it is to even become airborne, let alone engage in combat if needed. Iranian media have even mentioned that the jet flying in the video released was actually a radio controlled model of the jet.

Here is a more detailed review of it from The Aviationist

Hence, here below you can find all the reasons why we can affirm that Iran’s new stealth plane, at least in the form that was showcased on Feb. 2 during the Ten-Day Dawn ceremonies held in Tehran, is nothing more than a mock-up.

• The size of the plane is weird. The cockpit seems to be too small, to such an extent a normal pilot doesn’t properly fit in the ejection seat. Have you ever seen a pilot with his knees above the side borders of the cockpit and his helmet well beyond the ejection seat’s head pad?
• The general shape of the plane is interesting, probably the result of many inputs including the X-32, the X-36, the Boeing Bird of Prey. Still, wings with outern section canted downward seem to be a bit too little to sustain the weight of the aircraft, especially the “adveniristic plane” is intended to carry a powerful engine and internal payload
• Overall, the plane seems to lack the characteristic rivets, bolts all aircraft, including stealthy ones, feature. Images released so far show it as a plastic-made aircraft
• The engine exhaust misses any kind of nozzle. The use of afterburner (or, simply, the engine temperature) would possibly melt the entire structure of the jet
• The aircraft sports fixed canards and air intakes a bit too small to feed a modern jet plane’s engine; air intakes resemble those used by modern UCAV designs. They are located above the wing meaning that at high AOA (Angle Of Attack) the intakes would get turbulent or no air at all for the engine.
• The cockpit is too simple: the front panel lacks the typical wirings while it features few instruments of a type you expect to find on small private planes. Some readers have noticed the airspeed indicator is limited to 300 MPH.
• The canopy lacks transparency and looks like it is made of plexiglass
• The nose and main landing gear seem to unretractable (although the hinge mechanism could be hidden by the door bay). Someone has pointed out the landing gear bays dimensions are such to be unable to accomodate the stowed gear but I found no way to verify this theory
• The flying aircraft shown in the video released yesterday is a radio controlled model (but, it looks like Iranian media outlets have already confirmed this).

Some Iranian readers have said the F-313 is not intended to be an actual plane but a drone. Maybe.

Still the aircraft, manned or unmanned, as displayed on Feb. 2 will hardly take to the air unless extensive modifications are made.

http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/04/iran-plane-cannot-fly

Torakx

Wait a minute.
Why do terrorists need ejection seats rofl!

Genghiz Cohen

Torakx wrote: »

Wait a minute.
Why do terrorists need ejection seats rofl!

To live to terrorise another day!

Torakx

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

To live to terrorise another day!

I heard its up to 120 virgins now, screw ejection seats, put me in that tub of plastic and fire me into the sky.

On a serious note, I do think its very likely a show for the media.
But the Iranian president isnt stupid.He must know people would see through it..if its fake.
Im sure the Israeli and American military etc are all over that.

Myrddin

The US were at this decades ago, they'd set up a fake prototype plane in Area 51 that the Russian spy satellites would pick up as they orbited overhead at certain intervals throughout the day.

I'd say this Iranian thing is just a bluffing/grandstanding thing



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/05/110520-area-51-secret-hid-craft-base-declassified-a-12-plane/

Cookie_Monster

whats the CT, this is just normal posturing and promoting of a countries military like any other country does

Jonny7

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

whats the CT, this is just normal posturing and promoting of a countries military like any other country does

Of course, sure just last week Enda revealed that Ireland had ICBM capability and showed off a false 3 stage rocket to the world

Gatling

I heard from very reliable sources Area 51&a half is in Kerry

Brown Bomber

Here is a video, It may be a miniature or full size, I can't tell but it's certainly "more than a mock-up" and potentially a tremendous technological advancement for Iran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JosSIu8lsks

Brown Bomber

EnterNow wrote: »

The US were at this decades ago, they'd set up a fake prototype plane in Area 51 that the Russian spy satellites would pick up as they orbited overhead at certain intervals throughout the day.

I'd say this Iranian thing is just a bluffing/grandstanding thing



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/05/110520-area-51-secret-hid-craft-base-declassified-a-12-plane/

That photo is really cool. is it real?

Captain Chaos

Yes, it's a mock up of an A-12/YF-12/SR-71 upside down for radar signature testing.

Logical_Bear

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Yes, it's a mock up of an A-12/YF-12/SR-71 upside down for radar signature testing.

only noticed it was up side down now!!

Tzar Chasm

post that in the modified cars forum

some serious spoiler envy

Myrddin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

That photo is really cool. is it real?

It is indeed, its prob not an actual dis-information mock up as per the other poster said, but it was a practice that definitely went on. I remember watching a thing about the Cold War & they showed pics of the mock ups in place back in the day

Gatling

I believe the idea was to create heat signature's for Russian satellite's using infra red cameras ,usually they use various mock ups of concept aircraft to throw the Russian intelligence analyst's off the real work been done

studiorat

brimal wrote: »

I think it is a (very poorly made) prototype that will need a lot of changes if it is to even become airborne, let alone engage in combat if needed. Iranian media have even mentioned that the jet flying in the video released was actually a radio controlled model of the jet.

It's a mock up, the cockpit is from a domestic light aircraft and as said before it wouldn't carry weapons or enough fuel to be a proper fighter, too small.

What it may be useful for is something for the Iranians to bring to the arms fairs. Selling the technology, or their ability to manufacture some of the technology. They already manufacture Russian aircraft under license and some US aircraft out of license. (Bell helicopters for example). A stunt like this is a good advertisement for their aviation industry.

Run_to_da_hills

What difference dose it make if Iran's latest fighter is a mock up, lemon or what ever else you want to call it. If something serious dose break out in Iran. Syria or wherever in the middle east it would be more than fighter jets that one would want to worry about and it won't be coming from Iran.

Logical_Bear

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What difference dose it make if Iran's latest fighter is a mock up

its what the thread is about

thecommander

Gatling wrote: »

I believe the idea was to create heat signature's for Russian satellite's using infra red cameras ,usually they use various mock ups of concept aircraft to throw the Russian intelligence analyst's off the real work been done

They painted the outlines of made up styles of plane on the ground in black paint. The satellites above picked up the heat sig of these crazy looking planes. All just a plot to throw them off the scent of what was actually being built. A12/SR71.

Gatling

Logical_Bear wrote: »

its what the thread is about

Well there claiming that they have built a stealth attack aircraft fighter jet ,but its been proved its nothing more than a large scale air fix kit

asherbassad

It's a bogus photo put out by the West to gin up anti-Iran fear/reaction.

Except the western morons in their laughable schoolboy-howler incompetence have repeated the same mistake they made when they released those absurd photos of "Iranian" weapons crates found in Iraq.

They have English writing on the side of the "plane" instead of Farsi.

Idiots.

Jonny7

asherbassad wrote: »

It's a bogus photo put out by the West to gin up anti-Iran fear/reaction.

Except the western morons in their laughable schoolboy-howler incompetence have repeated the same mistake they made when they released those absurd photos of "Iranian" weapons crates found in Iraq.

They have English writing on the side of the "plane" instead of Farsi.

Idiots.

The Iranians put out this story, I mean here is the jet itself being viewed by Ahmadinejad on Iranian TV

Gatling

Its got no engine ,its cockpit is way too small actually the pilot would need to sit with his knee's up around his chin,its got no radar so basically its a cereal box toy

Jaafa

Clearly the the plane in the image is a mock up, however that does not mean they haven't developed an actual version.

Most likely scenario is they only have the one prototype, and it's busy being tested, so they can't afford to waste time having it sit in a room for a day to take pictures for the press.

Now whether the plane has the capabilities Iran claims it has is another matter altogether, and we don't have any info to confirm either way.

Jonny7

Jaafa wrote: »

Most likely scenario is they only have the one prototype, and it's busy being tested, so they can't afford to waste time having it sit in a room for a day to take pictures for the press.

The most likely scenario is they don't have a stealth fighter.. at all, and have produced a pretty amateur mock-up of one as part of a propaganda exercise. That's based on information we have.

Aquarius34

"Wonders why these type of threads get's posted on here" .....

Reading this thread is like scratching nails on a chalkboard. What's the point of this thread?

humanji

There's a clue in the opening post.

Seedy Arling

The device at the top of the console in the first picture looks like a cassette player.

Aquarius34

humanji wrote: »

There's a clue in the opening post.

It reads actually like what you get straight from fox news....:rolleyes:

humanji

Too many big words for Fox News.

Jaafa

Jonny7 wrote: »

The most likely scenario is they don't have a stealth fighter.. at all, and have produced a pretty amateur mock-up of one as part of a propaganda exercise. That's based on information we have.

The same thing was said for days/weeks when they announced the capture of the RQ170, don't be so quick to come to conclusions.

Jonny7

Jaafa wrote: »

The same thing was said for days/weeks when they announced the capture of the RQ170, don't be so quick to come to conclusions.

Not really a good comparison, the drone was real, only the accounts between Iran and US differed how it was captured.

You claimed it was "most likely" was that Iran had a stealth fighter prototype. What information did you base this on? or was it just the fact that they said they had one.

Anyone can say they have a stealth fighter prototype.