End the Bailout Rally Saturday 9th February.

Pete M.

People all over the country will assemble in several different towns around the country on the 9th in order to try and show that we are no longer prepared to accept that we must pay back the debt of others.
It is to show Europe that we have had enough.

There will be lots of different groups represented, including the unions, united against something that affects us all.

This is when we all get a chance to get out on the street

The assembly point in Sligo Town is County Council Offices at 1:30pm.

http://www.ictu.ie/jobsnotdebt/

Pete M.

Now that is surprising!

Over 125 views and neither thanks nor outrage to be had.

Whats a bloke to do to provoke some debate.

Drop the Debt!!!

For Forks Sake

Pete M. wrote: »

Now that is surprising!

Over 125 views and neither thanks nor outrage to be had.

Whats a bloke to do to provoke some debate.

Drop the Debt!!!

1. Offer some alternatives. Real ones that stand up actual economic scrutiny. Slogans won't get the country fixed.

2. More importantly, get out from the trade union umbrella. There are many like me don't want to be associated with the likes of this weasel : http://www.ictu.ie/about/staff.html and wouldn't be seen dead marching under your banner.

mongoman

For Forks Sake wrote: »

More importantly, get out from the trade union umbrella. There are many like me don't want to be associated with the likes of this weasel :

Likewise, the Public Sector has us crucified and I blame the unions for it. I gladly take a pay cut for the perks, security and a permanent job in the public sector. But we must protect them and the votes at all costs, while us poor unfortunates in the Private sector subsidise them.

Plazaman

But since there doesn't seem to be any other organisation, other than Unions, organising mass protests or marches, it is giving the apperance that we are pacified sheep who will bend over and take all these cuts and taxes.

As much as I dislike Begg and his ilk, I think I'll join this march on Saturday and at least I will have felt I have done something constructive as it appears that my shouting at the telly when politicians start waffling is not working.

red sean

Unfortunately protests like this usually achieve nothing and are hijacked by organisations who only want a reason to protest about something.
I'll be shocked if Eirigi etc. do'nt show up as they have done elsewhere. The majority of them on benefits that are helping to bleed the taxpayer dry, the same taxpayer who is protesting.
Plazaman, you're as well off continuing to shout at the telly. It'll give the same result.
I was involved in the mass marches in the 80's and seen what was achieved. Nothing!
Just my opinion.

bonzos

Well considering Veronica Cawley was approaching people in wine street car park last Saturday handing out leaflets promoting this event,it looses all creditability! Sending VC out to promote this event is a joke....people of Sligo have been asked in the past year to pay €100 household charge which in turn funds this (and other) wasters who claimed over €60k one year in wages and expenses for a part time job. How much money was wasted on Veronica's mate Pamela Izevbekhai on legal fees and reception at the town hall? If she is concerned about "the burden" she should start with her friends in the town hall.

Pete M.

Woo! Knew if I bumped it we'd get something going

For Forks Sake wrote: »

1. Offer some alternatives. Real ones that stand up actual economic scrutiny. Slogans won't get the country fixed.

2. More importantly, get out from the trade union umbrella. There are many like me don't want to be associated with the likes of this weasel : http://www.ictu.ie/about/staff.html and wouldn't be seen dead marching under your banner.

Re:1.
Drop the debt is all the alternative we need. This whole palaver has been pretty simple from the start. If we, ordinary Irish people, weren't manacled by these financial chains, things could be so much better. It's bad economics to do something against your own interest innit?
Re:2.
My workplace has a Union and I am a Member. I have no gra at all for Begg and Co. and am lucky enough to have opportunities sometimes to pull them up. When people give out about the Unions, if they're trying to say how complicit and tame they have been, and how the leadership are so far out of touch with their membership it's a joke, then fine. But on the ground the Unions are the biggest civic organisation in the land, but only effective with regard to promoting the sort of social justice I think we all want to see, if the members participate and direct their 'leaders'. And those same Members are your friends, family and neighbours. All in the same sh1t as the rest of us are at the moment. If you don't want to march under a Union banner or any other banner, then that's also fine. But the more of us, as pissed off citizens get out to demonstrate that we are unhappy with the situation, the better.

mongoman wrote: »

Likewise, the Public Sector has us crucified and I blame the unions for it. I gladly take a pay cut for the perks, security and a permanent job in the public sector. But we must protect them and the votes at all costs, while us poor unfortunates in the Private sector subsidise them.

Ordinary workers in either the public sector or the private sector are not to blame for our woes. I'm a public sector worker, how have I crucified you?
The divide and conquer tactic has worked pretty well here though I must admit.

Plazaman wrote: »

But since there doesn't seem to be any other organisation, other than Unions, organising mass protests or marches, it is giving the apperance that we are pacified sheep who will bend over and take all these cuts and taxes.

As much as I dislike Begg and his ilk, I think I'll join this march on Saturday and at least I will have felt I have done something constructive as it appears that my shouting at the telly when politicians start waffling is not working.

Good man

Anyone who can see just how wrong this situation is should go out and join with others who think the same. We can make a difference, hopefully.

red sean wrote: »

Unfortunately protests like this usually achieve nothing and are hijacked by organisations who only want a reason to protest about something.
I'll be shocked if Eirigi etc. do'nt show up as they have done elsewhere. The majority of them on benefits that are helping to bleed the taxpayer dry, the same taxpayer who is protesting.
Plazaman, you're as well off continuing to shout at the telly. It'll give the same result.
I was involved in the mass marches in the 80's and seen what was achieved. Nothing!
Just my opinion.

Yes, usually they don't achieve anything but maybe this time it will?
With regard to marches being 'hijacked' by different groups, of course Eirigi, SWP, Unions, etc etc will be there, but you don't have to do anything you don't want to. I've been to a whole lot of protests in Sligo and elsewhere and know several people in all of these groups, but I've never joined any of them (bar the Union, which I think is a must in any workplace if at all possible) or felt that I couldn't participate in protesting against something that I felt strongly about just because they'd be there.

bonzos wrote: »

Well considering Veronica Cawley was approaching people in wine street car park last Saturday handing out leaflets promoting this event,it looses all creditability! Sending VC out to promote this event is a joke....people of Sligo have been asked in the past year to pay €100 household charge which in turn funds this (and other) wasters who claimed over €60k one year in wages and expenses for a part time job. How much money was wasted on Veronica's mate Pamela Izevbekhai on legal fees and reception at the town hall? If she is concerned about "the burden" she should start with her friends in the town hall.

Well I was handing them out too, maybe if I'd given you one you'd think about coming? And just because you've an issue with some local bullsh1t politics crap or stupid and expensive legal cases, that shouldn't stop you from joining in if you think it is fcuking crazy to pay off billions of euros of other peoples debt while our schools become kips, our health service becomes sicker and sicker and our young people have to leave to get work. Society here is tearing itself apart and all the time some super rich fcuks are laughing all the way to their Banks.


The only b@stards who are bleeding this country dry are those to whom we are paying back this debt. We must at least try to stop it from continuing.

And just saw this earlier, interesting...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2013/0205/1224329656976.html

Maybe it's just more futile bullsh1t, but I'm going to sign because maybe, just maybe.......

juan.kerr

Pete M. wrote: »

Now that is surprising!

Over 125 views and neither thanks nor outrage to be had.

Whats a bloke to do to provoke some debate.

Drop the Debt!!!

Pete M.

juan.kerr wrote: »

I am the OP :cool:



Or is it the lack of an ' and a ? in the second last sentence that has you confused?

I humbly apologise if it is the latter, but I'm not sorry for the original post.

Buford T Justice

Sorry pete, you lost me at the mention of Unions.

Anything those self serving bar stewards are involved in is enough for me to steer well clear of.

Plazaman

I think we should organise a 2nd protest march starting at the opposite end of the town at the same time. And while the ICTU one is coming up O'Connell St, we'll be marching down and meet them in the middle for a good old fashioned stand off. It'll be like West Side Story (without the singing, dancing and use of weapons of course).

Plazaman, you're as well off continuing to shout at the telly. It'll give the same result.

Will do. What can I say, it's a hobby.

Son Of A Vidic

mongoman wrote: »

Likewise, the Public Sector has us crucified and I blame the unions for it. I gladly take a pay cut for the perks, security and a permanent job in the public sector. But we must protect them and the votes at all costs, while us poor unfortunates in the Private sector subsidise them.

I have to agree, because I was once part of the public sector (HSE) myself so I have seen both sides of the coin. Look at the massive debt write off the Greeks got just from burning a few banks. It certainly would make you think.

sligogringo

I agree with Pete - we must stick together, no matter what you think of the unions they have the numbers to get people on the streets.

I work in private sector and I am not a member of any union, or political group - but I will be there to meet other ordinary people to rally them into getting involved in further ongoing demonstrations locally in Sligo.

You need to consider changing your perspective on this rally and see it as an opportunity for YOU to do something locally and get involved.

red sean

sligogringo wrote: »

I agree with Pete - we must stick together, no matter what you think of the unions they have the numbers to get people on the streets.

I work in private sector and I am not a member of any union, or political group - but I will be there to meet other ordinary people to rally them into getting involved in further ongoing demonstrations locally in Sligo.

You need to consider changing your perspective on this rally and see it as an opportunity for YOU to do something locally and get involved.

Will your employer be there?
Do you suffer the pains of your employer?
I'm self-employed for 32 years and I can can say I will definitely not be there. I have employed people and legally looked after them and am now on the breadline myself, but can still see what is realistic and achievable and what is propagandist.
No offence PeteM.
My opinion.

Kettleson

A small group of people holding placards headed by a few career "politicians" looking for another photo opportunity will change nothing.

What the people of this country need to do to really bring about change would involve breaking the law of the state, and that ain't gonna happen.

Or maybe it will, if the financial squeeze on us continues, then the people of Ireland, being able to take no more, might well develop a spine.

bonzos

Sure maybe tony McLoughlin might lend his support to the rally considering the €50k+ compo he got for the inconvenience of being elected a TD. Not to worry though the council have loads of money for such worthy causes...someone should let the Guinness book of records know that there might be a new record for the largest number of sheep ever gathered in Sligo next Saturday:rolleyes:

Son Of A Vidic

Kettleson wrote: »

Or maybe it will, if the financial squeeze on us continues, then the people of Ireland, being able to take no more, might well develop a spine.

Don't hold your breath on the developing a spine wish.

Kettleson

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Don't hold your breath on the developing a spine wish.

I know, what you say is true Corvus M. I'm a dreamer. I live in hope.

Henlars67

Big crowd there today but I left when I saw PBP pushing there way through from the back of the crowd roaring as loud as possible when we reached O' Connell Street

They try to hijack every event and only succeed in pissing fellow protesters off.

teddy_303

red sean wrote: »

Unfortunately protests like this usually achieve nothing and are hijacked by organisations who only want a reason to protest about something.
I'll be shocked if Eirigi etc. do'nt show up as they have done elsewhere. The majority of them on benefits that are helping to bleed the taxpayer dry, the same taxpayer who is protesting.
Plazaman, you're as well off continuing to shout at the telly. It'll give the same result.
I was involved in the mass marches in the 80's and seen what was achieved. Nothing!
Just my opinion.

God, in this day and age, do you not realise there are no jobs to get 1st. And secondly, the parasites are in the Dail and the banks, the ones who go unnoticed by their hosts, you, who did not notice them? And why should Eirigi members not have a voice either Mr FG? ffft!

teddy_303

Henlars67 wrote: »

Big crowd there today but I left when I saw PBP pushing there way through from the back of the crowd roaring as loud as possible when we reached O' Connell Street

They try to hijack every event and only succeed in pissing fellow protesters off.

It was the union stewards who were pushing out other voices from what i saw, and from a lot of other witnesses from what i heard. Unionised pro household and water charge voices were all the union big earners wanted to hear, at their aherm, anti austerity march. Go figure how that works.

Kettleson

Union Pay....they ain't got a clue.

teddy_303

And somehow they expect people that they (union leaders) would like things to change, for some strange reason? Unions are now just a sad joke and back door entrants to the table of the golden circle ....:mad:

Kettleson

The Union "leaders", if they had any real conscience or understanding of socialism should be ashamed of themselves.

They let the honest workers of Ireland disappear down a long dark greedy alley.

il gatto

Kettleson wrote: »

The Union "leaders", if they had any real conscience or understanding of socialism should be ashamed of themselves.

They let the honest workers of Ireland disappear down a long dark greedy alley.

Well said. They let workers all over the country be treated like sh1t (members in the private sector included), but at the first sign of a potential trim on ridiculous "premium payments" and "top ups" they were calling for the private sector to come out and support them. Union leadership are overpaid vermin.
Now with the debt deal with the ECB, they're taking a hardline stance on Croke Park, just when I believe some sort of rationalisation of the public sector was likely to come about.
I told Susan O'Keefe as much on the doorstep (our step, not hers. I'm not a sociopath). She seemed surprised that an average prole had such a low opinion of unions.
My missus works in a public sector building for a company in the private sector. She works highly unsocial hours and she works hard. If she did the same job in the public sector, she would work regular hours, have better conditions of employment and get paid almost 50% extra gross a week. She is in the same union the public sector workers are in. The union is unconcerned with the disparity for no other reason than in the private sector you take what you can get and in the public sector there is a massive premium just for being in it.

Kettleson

il gatto wrote: »

Well said. They let workers all over the country be treated like sh1t (members in the private sector included), but at the first sign of a potential trim on ridiculous "premium payments" and "top ups" they were calling for the private sector to come out and support them. Union leadership are overpaid vermin.
Now with the debt deal with the ECB, they're taking a hardline stance on Croke Park, just when I believe some sort of rationalisation of the public sector was likely to come about.
I told Susan O'Keefe as much on the doorstep (our step, not hers. I'm not a sociopath). She seemed surprised that an average prole had such a low opinion of unions.
My missus works in a public sector building for a company in the private sector. She works highly unsocial hours and she works hard. If she did the same job in the public sector, she would work regular hours, have better conditions of employment and get paid almost 50% extra gross a week. She is in the same union the public sector workers are in. The union is unconcerned with the disparity for no other reason than in the private sector you take what you can get and in the public sector there is a massive premium just for being in it.

I was member of the English Labour Party for nearly 20 years and also a union member. During '84 and '85 I travelled around the towns on the south coast to raise a few quid to send up to the wives and children of the striking miners who were living on nothing for months on end. They were literally starving.

I despised Thatcher for everything she stood for, but right now Ireland needs a Thatcher to sort out the public sector. Michael O'Leary would kick some ass.

I'm a socialist and always will be, but the Unions are a joke, and the title "Labour Party" is a misnomer. And I can't understand the mind set of any one who would get behind these union leaders, their motive is totally suspect.

Irish public sector workers have basically been bribed by high wages to keep shut, say nothing and take the dough. It was economic madness and Ireland has become morally bankrupt as a result.

The prevailing attitude being "I'm all right Jack". Well they're not all right anymore and that's just too bad.

Be it public or private sector, "A fair days work for a fair days pay", that's me.

Kettleson

For any one taking the time out to attend tomorrows rally, good on ya. These things can make a difference and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The momentum and unrest has increased since the Bail Out rally.

Nil desperandum, cos that's what they'd like you to do.