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Postgraduate Fees

  • 29-01-2013 12:51pm
    #1
    dienbienphu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭


    Just wondering whether a student who would of qualified for a post graduate grant prior to the change in legislation is still entitled to free fees?


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  • #2
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    Just wondering whether a student who would of qualified for a post graduate grant prior to the change in legislation is still entitled to free fees?

    I don't really understand what you are asking. Could you explain some more what you mean?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3
    dienbienphu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭dienbienphu


    I'm having difficulty understanding whether free fees and grant are part of the same package?


  • #4
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    I'm having difficulty understanding whether free fees and grant are part of the same package?

    No

    They are separate

    There are no free fees for postgraduate courses. You can get a grant which will pay 2000 towards fees or possibly upto 6270 in fees.

    Regardless of what you might previously have been eligible for - that is what you can get

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #5
    dienbienphu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭dienbienphu


    mango salsa wrote: »
    No

    They are separate

    There are no free fees for postgraduate courses. You can get a grant which will pay 2000 towards fees or possibly upto 6270 in fees.

    Regardless of what you might previously have been eligible for - that is what you can get

    Thanks that's what I wanted to no. No free fees for postgraduates, boo hoo! can you guide me to the legislation please?


  • #6
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    Thanks that's what I wanted to no. No free fees for postgraduates, boo hoo! can you guide me to the legislation please?

    http://www.studentfinance.ie/downloads/1339418623/Student_Grant_Scheme_2012.pdf
    Postgraduate fee contribution
    12. Subject to article 14(12) the awarding authority may award an eligible student or a tuition student pursuing an approved postgraduate course, a postgraduate fee contribution at the rate specified in Schedule 4.
    (8) A student or tuition student is not eligible for a maintenance grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course.
    (11) Notwithstanding paragraph (9), a student or tuition student may be eligible for a fee grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course and the applicant’s reckonable income meets the qualifying conditions for the Special Rate as specified in Schedule 1 and Schedule 2.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #7
    dienbienphu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭dienbienphu


    mango salsa wrote: »
    http://www.studentfinance.ie/downloads/1339418623/Student_Grant_Scheme_2012.pdf

    what does subsection (3) mean?


  • #8
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    what does subsection (3) mean?

    What do you mean? Can you give me the paragraph?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #9
    dienbienphu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭dienbienphu


    mango salsa wrote: »
    What do you mean? Can you give me the paragraph?

    sorry i meant (11)

    (11) Notwithstanding paragraph (9), a student or tuition student may be eligible for a fee grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course and the applicant’s reckonable income meets the qualifying conditions for the Special Rate as specified in Schedule 1 and Schedule 2.


  • #10
    Long Term Louth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    can you still claim BTEA with such a fee grant?


  • #11
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    sorry i meant (11)

    (11) Notwithstanding paragraph (9), a student or tuition student may be eligible for a fee grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course and the applicant’s reckonable income meets the qualifying conditions for the Special Rate as specified in Schedule 1 and Schedule 2.

    It means if your income is less than 22,703 and you were receiving a social welfare payment then you can get a fee grant up to 6270

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #12
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Long Term Louth wrote: »
    can you still claim BTEA with such a fee grant?

    You can't get BTEA for masters

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #13
    Long Term Louth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    Not for masters, Postgraduate i.e. H Dip?


  • #14
    dienbienphu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭dienbienphu


    mango salsa wrote: »
    It means if your income is less than 22,703 and you were receiving a social welfare payment then you can get a fee grant up to 6270

    so the system is open to manipulation then? If i go on the dole I can qualify for postgraduates fees and grant?


  • #15
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    so the system is open to manipulation then? If i go on the dole I can qualify for postgraduates fees and grant?

    It's on December 31st of the previous year. You have to be receiving it on Dec 31st

    I wouldn't say it is open to manipulation no

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #16
    Long Term Louth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    mango salsa wrote: »
    It's on December 31st of the previous year. You have to be receiving it on Dec 31st

    I wouldn't say it is open to manipulation no


    Mango, can you answer my question?


  • #17
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Long Term Louth wrote: »
    Mango, can you answer my question?

    Ever heard of please?

    I'm not sure - I'm going to look

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #18
    Long Term Louth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Ever heard of please?

    I'm not sure - I'm going to look

    Dont bother, if its that much trouble, I thought you knew obviously not, if you have to look


  • #19
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Long Term Louth wrote: »
    Dont bother, if its that much trouble

    I'm trying to be helpful but if you're going to be rude and demanding I won't bother

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #20
    Long Term Louth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    mango salsa wrote: »
    I'm trying to be helpful but if you're going to be rude and demanding I won't bother

    Please indicate where I was rude? I merely asked if you knew didn't realise I had to say please.


  • #21
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    My understanding is that you can get a postgraduate fee grant of 2000. I'm not quite sure if you can get the fee grant special rate.




    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/social_welfare_payments_and_the_student_maintenance_grant_for_the_2010_11_academic_year.html

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #22
    dienbienphu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭dienbienphu


    mango salsa wrote: »
    It's on December 31st of the previous year. You have to be receiving it on Dec 31st

    I wouldn't say it is open to manipulation no

    hmm thanks very much. What do you think of scenario such as this;
    A student completes a degree in May 2013. Applies for a postgraduate but can't enter because he hasn't the money. However, he joins the dole que the very same year without securing employment. Does he qualify for free fees in 2014?


  • #23
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    hmm thanks very much. What do you think of scenario such as this;
    A student completes a degree in May 2013. Applies for a postgraduate but can't enter because he hasn't the money. However, he joins the dole que the very same year without securing employment. Does he qualify for free fees in 2014?

    Possibly yes - I don't see that as manipulation - I see that as extra support because of his low income. I don't think anyone williningly goes onto the dole in order to get a postgrad fee grant

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #24
    Long Term Louth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    mango salsa wrote: »
    My understanding is that you can get a postgraduate fee grant of 2000. I'm not quite sure if you can get the fee grant special rate.




    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/social_welfare_payments_and_the_student_maintenance_grant_for_the_2010_11_academic_year.html


    Sorry for the confusion, but my question is, Can you receive BTEA + the grant/fees, Not for masters, but Postgraduate i.e. H Dip?


  • #25
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Long Term Louth wrote: »
    Sorry for the confusion, but my question is, Can you receive BTEA + the grant/fees, Not for masters, but Postgraduate i.e. H Dip?

    No

    You can get BTEA plus a fee grant of 2000.

    I think - that you can possibly get BTEA plus a fee grant of 6270 but I'm not 100% sure

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #26
    Long Term Louth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    Thanks for the help, but can anyone answer or point in the direction of a definitive answer?


  • #27
    dienbienphu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭dienbienphu


    Long Term Louth wrote: »
    Thanks for the help, but can anyone answer or point in the direction of a definitive answer?

    No you can't. That provision was abolished in 2010.


  • #28
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Long Term Louth wrote: »
    Thanks for the help, but can anyone answer or point in the direction of a definitive answer?

    I think;

    Based on this;

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/social_welfare_payments_and_the_student_maintenance_grant_for_the_2010_11_academic_year.html
    Maintenance grant and BTEA
    Since the 2010/2011 academic year you cannot get a maintenance grant and a BTEA or a VTOS allowance together.

    Exceptions: If you were getting the Back to Education Allowance and the student maintenance grant at the start of the 2010 academic year, you continue to be eligible for both payments for the entire duration of your current course.

    If you have completed a course and now wish to progress to a course at a higher level, you can continue to retain your BTEA payment (generally up to and including level 8 on the National Framework of Qualifications). However, you will no longer be entitled to the maintenance component of the student grant. You can apply under the grant scheme to have the student contribution and any tuition fees/field trip costs paid on your behalf under the fee component of the student grant (if you qualify) and for a postgraduate fee contribution (if relevant).

    There is one exception to the general approach: if you are getting both BTEA and maintenance and wish to progress, without a break in studies, from a Level 7 Ordinary Degree to a one-year ‘add-on’ Level 8 Honours Degree, you can continue to avail of both BTEA and a maintenance grant for the ‘add-on’ year.

    Fee grant
    If you are getting the BTEA you do not qualify for the maintenance component of the student grant but you can apply for a fee grant to cover the student contribution and any course tuition fees not already covered by the Free Fees Scheme. Essential field trip costs may also be covered under a fee grant.

    Please note, however, that people getting BTEA may not qualify for payment of a fee grant – unless they meet the terms and conditions of the student grant scheme. If you are getting the BTEA and wish to apply for these charges to be covered by a fee grant you should apply for a grant as soon as possible.

    If you are doing a Post-Leaving Certificate (PLC) course and getting the BTEA or a VTOS allowance you are exempt from the student participant charge (€200). You may have to pay a course charge for books, exam fees and other costs.

    and this

    http://www.studentfinance.ie/downloads/1339418623/Student_Grant_Scheme_2012.pdf
    (11) Notwithstanding paragraph (9), a student or tuition student may be eligible for a fee grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course and the applicant’s reckonable income meets the qualifying conditions for the Special Rate as specified in Schedule 1 and Schedule 2.

    That you can

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #29
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    No you can't. That provision was abolished in 2010.

    What provision?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #30
    Long Term Louth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    No you can't. That provision was abolished in 2010.

    I dont think you follow what I am asking?


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  • #31
    Long Term Louth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    mango salsa wrote: »
    I think;

    Based on this;

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/social_welfare_payments_and_the_student_maintenance_grant_for_the_2010_11_academic_year.html



    and this

    http://www.studentfinance.ie/downloads/1339418623/Student_Grant_Scheme_2012.pdf



    That you can

    That appears to be the answer, i.e it is possible to receive BTEA and full fees for a h dip, provided previous years earnings are below €22,703 per household, Thanks


  • #32
    Henlars67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Henlars67


    dienbienphu wrote: »
    Just wondering whether a student who would of qualified for a post graduate grant prior to the change in legislation is still entitled to free fees?

    <abuse snipped>


  • #33
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Long Term Louth wrote: »
    That appears to be the answer, i.e it is possible to receive BTEA and full fees for a h dip, provided previous years earnings are below €22,703 per household, Thanks

    Yes - it seems so - unless there is some rule that states otherwise.

    Of course the 22,703 will reduce by 3% in 2013 as per the budget

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #34
    Dalmighty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭Dalmighty


    okay heres my situation and would appreciate if someone could help!!

    Im graduating this sept hons (level 8). have been accepted to higher diploma (equates to level 8).As far as I know seen as progression.

    Im working part time at weekends,

    Im 24 in july.. would I be entitled to maintenance grant/grant of any sort for fees for this hdip?

    I would be grateful for sumones help?


  • #35
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Dalmighty wrote: »
    okay heres my situation and would appreciate if someone could help!!

    Im graduating this sept hons (level 8). have been accepted to higher diploma (equates to level 8).As far as I know seen as progression.

    Im working part time at weekends,

    Im 24 in july.. would I be entitled to maintenance grant/grant of any sort for fees for this hdip?

    I would be grateful for sumones help?

    It depends

    Do you live at home? Have you always lived at home?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #36
    Dalmighty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭Dalmighty


    at the minute I commute an hour a day to college living at home..

    For the previous three years I lived away from home...

    and from june for the hdip I will be away from home?


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  • #37
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Dalmighty wrote: »
    at the minute I commute an hour a day to college living at home..

    For the previous three years I lived away from home...

    and from june for the hdip I will be away from home?

    It's hard to say.
    I think looking at it that you might have to apply based on your parents income

    There are no maintenance grants for postgraduate students

    Depending on income you might get a fee grant of 2000 or 6270 if your income is very low

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #38
    drphil90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭drphil90


    Hi, I'm looking at studying a masters in finance in either switzerland or the netherlands as the fees are far cheaper than the equivalent qualification in Ireland. Am I elegible to receive the grant towards a masters fee if I am studying abroad.?


  • #39
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    drphil90 wrote: »
    Hi, I'm looking at studying a masters in finance in either switzerland or the netherlands as the fees are far cheaper than the equivalent qualification in Ireland. Am I elegible to receive the grant towards a masters fee if I am studying abroad.?

    No.

    The grant is only available for postgrad courses in Ireland or Northern Ireland

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #40
    mindbloggling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 ✭mindbloggling


    Dalmighty wrote: »
    okay heres my situation and would appreciate if someone could help!!

    Im graduating this sept hons (level 8). have been accepted to higher diploma (equates to level 8).As far as I know seen as progression.

    Im working part time at weekends,

    Im 24 in july.. would I be entitled to maintenance grant/grant of any sort for fees for this hdip?

    I would be grateful for sumones help?

    my understanding of this is that you have to be seen as progressing through the levels and if they are both level 8 you will prob not be entitled. your best chance is ask the college as SUSI are unsure of everything.


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