Postgraduate Fees

dienbienphu · 29-01-2013 12:51pm #1

Just wondering whether a student who would of qualified for a post graduate grant prior to the change in legislation is still entitled to free fees?

Annasopra · 29-01-2013 7:21pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

Just wondering whether a student who would of qualified for a post graduate grant prior to the change in legislation is still entitled to free fees?

I don't really understand what you are asking. Could you explain some more what you mean?

dienbienphu · 30-01-2013 10:47pm

I'm having difficulty understanding whether free fees and grant are part of the same package?

Annasopra · 30-01-2013 11:36pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

I'm having difficulty understanding whether free fees and grant are part of the same package?

No

They are separate

There are no free fees for postgraduate courses. You can get a grant which will pay 2000 towards fees or possibly upto 6270 in fees.

Regardless of what you might previously have been eligible for - that is what you can get

dienbienphu · 31-01-2013 9:20pm

mango salsa wrote: »

No

They are separate

There are no free fees for postgraduate courses. You can get a grant which will pay 2000 towards fees or possibly upto 6270 in fees.

Regardless of what you might previously have been eligible for - that is what you can get

Thanks that's what I wanted to no. No free fees for postgraduates, boo hoo! can you guide me to the legislation please?

Annasopra · 01-02-2013 9:52pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

Thanks that's what I wanted to no. No free fees for postgraduates, boo hoo! can you guide me to the legislation please?

http://www.studentfinance.ie/downloads/1339418623/Student_Grant_Scheme_2012.pdf

Postgraduate fee contribution
12. Subject to article 14(12) the awarding authority may award an eligible student or a tuition student pursuing an approved postgraduate course, a postgraduate fee contribution at the rate specified in Schedule 4.

(8) A student or tuition student is not eligible for a maintenance grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course.

(11) Notwithstanding paragraph (9), a student or tuition student may be eligible for a fee grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course and the applicant’s reckonable income meets the qualifying conditions for the Special Rate as specified in Schedule 1 and Schedule 2.

dienbienphu · 05-02-2013 3:36pm

mango salsa wrote: »

http://www.studentfinance.ie/downloads/1339418623/Student_Grant_Scheme_2012.pdf

what does subsection (3) mean?

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 3:45pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

what does subsection (3) mean?

What do you mean? Can you give me the paragraph?

dienbienphu · 05-02-2013 4:16pm

mango salsa wrote: »

What do you mean? Can you give me the paragraph?

sorry i meant (11)

(11) Notwithstanding paragraph (9), a student or tuition student may be eligible for a fee grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course and the applicant’s reckonable income meets the qualifying conditions for the Special Rate as specified in Schedule 1 and Schedule 2.

Long Term Louth · 05-02-2013 4:20pm

can you still claim BTEA with such a fee grant?

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 4:22pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

sorry i meant (11)

(11) Notwithstanding paragraph (9), a student or tuition student may be eligible for a fee grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course and the applicant’s reckonable income meets the qualifying conditions for the Special Rate as specified in Schedule 1 and Schedule 2.

It means if your income is less than 22,703 and you were receiving a social welfare payment then you can get a fee grant up to 6270

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 4:22pm

Long Term Louth wrote: »

can you still claim BTEA with such a fee grant?

You can't get BTEA for masters

Long Term Louth · 05-02-2013 4:24pm

Not for masters, Postgraduate i.e. H Dip?

dienbienphu · 05-02-2013 4:31pm

mango salsa wrote: »

It means if your income is less than 22,703 and you were receiving a social welfare payment then you can get a fee grant up to 6270

so the system is open to manipulation then? If i go on the dole I can qualify for postgraduates fees and grant?

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 4:39pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

so the system is open to manipulation then? If i go on the dole I can qualify for postgraduates fees and grant?

It's on December 31st of the previous year. You have to be receiving it on Dec 31st

I wouldn't say it is open to manipulation no

Long Term Louth · 05-02-2013 4:40pm

mango salsa wrote: »

It's on December 31st of the previous year. You have to be receiving it on Dec 31st

I wouldn't say it is open to manipulation no

Mango, can you answer my question?

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 4:43pm

Long Term Louth wrote: »

Mango, can you answer my question?

Ever heard of please?

I'm not sure - I'm going to look

Long Term Louth · 05-02-2013 4:44pm

mango salsa wrote: »

Ever heard of please?

I'm not sure - I'm going to look

Dont bother, if its that much trouble, I thought you knew obviously not, if you have to look

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 4:47pm

Long Term Louth wrote: »

Dont bother, if its that much trouble

I'm trying to be helpful but if you're going to be rude and demanding I won't bother

Long Term Louth · 05-02-2013 4:49pm

mango salsa wrote: »

I'm trying to be helpful but if you're going to be rude and demanding I won't bother

Please indicate where I was rude? I merely asked if you knew didn't realise I had to say please.

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 4:50pm

My understanding is that you can get a postgraduate fee grant of 2000. I'm not quite sure if you can get the fee grant special rate.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/social_welfare_payments_and_the_student_maintenance_grant_for_the_2010_11_academic_year.html

dienbienphu · 05-02-2013 4:50pm

mango salsa wrote: »

It's on December 31st of the previous year. You have to be receiving it on Dec 31st

I wouldn't say it is open to manipulation no

hmm thanks very much. What do you think of scenario such as this;
A student completes a degree in May 2013. Applies for a postgraduate but can't enter because he hasn't the money. However, he joins the dole que the very same year without securing employment. Does he qualify for free fees in 2014?

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 4:52pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

hmm thanks very much. What do you think of scenario such as this;
A student completes a degree in May 2013. Applies for a postgraduate but can't enter because he hasn't the money. However, he joins the dole que the very same year without securing employment. Does he qualify for free fees in 2014?

Possibly yes - I don't see that as manipulation - I see that as extra support because of his low income. I don't think anyone williningly goes onto the dole in order to get a postgrad fee grant

Long Term Louth · 05-02-2013 4:53pm

mango salsa wrote: »

My understanding is that you can get a postgraduate fee grant of 2000. I'm not quite sure if you can get the fee grant special rate.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/social_welfare_payments_and_the_student_maintenance_grant_for_the_2010_11_academic_year.html

Sorry for the confusion, but my question is, Can you receive BTEA + the grant/fees, Not for masters, but Postgraduate i.e. H Dip?

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 4:56pm

Long Term Louth wrote: »

Sorry for the confusion, but my question is, Can you receive BTEA + the grant/fees, Not for masters, but Postgraduate i.e. H Dip?

No

You can get BTEA plus a fee grant of 2000.

I think - that you can possibly get BTEA plus a fee grant of 6270 but I'm not 100% sure

Long Term Louth · 05-02-2013 4:59pm

Thanks for the help, but can anyone answer or point in the direction of a definitive answer?

dienbienphu · 05-02-2013 5:51pm

Long Term Louth wrote: »

Thanks for the help, but can anyone answer or point in the direction of a definitive answer?

No you can't. That provision was abolished in 2010.

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 5:55pm

Long Term Louth wrote: »

Thanks for the help, but can anyone answer or point in the direction of a definitive answer?

I think;

Based on this;

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/social_welfare_payments_and_the_student_maintenance_grant_for_the_2010_11_academic_year.html

Maintenance grant and BTEA
Since the 2010/2011 academic year you cannot get a maintenance grant and a BTEA or a VTOS allowance together.

Exceptions: If you were getting the Back to Education Allowance and the student maintenance grant at the start of the 2010 academic year, you continue to be eligible for both payments for the entire duration of your current course.

If you have completed a course and now wish to progress to a course at a higher level, you can continue to retain your BTEA payment (generally up to and including level 8 on the National Framework of Qualifications). However, you will no longer be entitled to the maintenance component of the student grant. You can apply under the grant scheme to have the student contribution and any tuition fees/field trip costs paid on your behalf under the fee component of the student grant (if you qualify) and for a postgraduate fee contribution (if relevant).

There is one exception to the general approach: if you are getting both BTEA and maintenance and wish to progress, without a break in studies, from a Level 7 Ordinary Degree to a one-year ‘add-on’ Level 8 Honours Degree, you can continue to avail of both BTEA and a maintenance grant for the ‘add-on’ year.

Fee grant
If you are getting the BTEA you do not qualify for the maintenance component of the student grant but you can apply for a fee grant to cover the student contribution and any course tuition fees not already covered by the Free Fees Scheme. Essential field trip costs may also be covered under a fee grant.

Please note, however, that people getting BTEA may not qualify for payment of a fee grant – unless they meet the terms and conditions of the student grant scheme. If you are getting the BTEA and wish to apply for these charges to be covered by a fee grant you should apply for a grant as soon as possible.

If you are doing a Post-Leaving Certificate (PLC) course and getting the BTEA or a VTOS allowance you are exempt from the student participant charge (€200). You may have to pay a course charge for books, exam fees and other costs.

and this

http://www.studentfinance.ie/downloads/1339418623/Student_Grant_Scheme_2012.pdf

(11) Notwithstanding paragraph (9), a student or tuition student may be eligible for a fee grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course and the applicant’s reckonable income meets the qualifying conditions for the Special Rate as specified in Schedule 1 and Schedule 2.

That you can

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 5:56pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

No you can't. That provision was abolished in 2010.

What provision?

Long Term Louth · 05-02-2013 6:03pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

No you can't. That provision was abolished in 2010.

I dont think you follow what I am asking?

Long Term Louth · 05-02-2013 6:08pm

mango salsa wrote: »

I think;

Based on this;

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/social_welfare_payments_and_the_student_maintenance_grant_for_the_2010_11_academic_year.html

and this

http://www.studentfinance.ie/downloads/1339418623/Student_Grant_Scheme_2012.pdf

That you can

That appears to be the answer, i.e it is possible to receive BTEA and full fees for a h dip, provided previous years earnings are below €22,703 per household, Thanks

Henlars67 · 05-02-2013 6:35pm

dienbienphu wrote: »

Just wondering whether a student who would of qualified for a post graduate grant prior to the change in legislation is still entitled to free fees?

Annasopra · 05-02-2013 6:54pm

Long Term Louth wrote: »

That appears to be the answer, i.e it is possible to receive BTEA and full fees for a h dip, provided previous years earnings are below €22,703 per household, Thanks

Yes - it seems so - unless there is some rule that states otherwise.

Of course the 22,703 will reduce by 3% in 2013 as per the budget

Dalmighty · 06-02-2013 9:27pm

okay heres my situation and would appreciate if someone could help!!

Im graduating this sept hons (level 8). have been accepted to higher diploma (equates to level 8).As far as I know seen as progression.

Im working part time at weekends,

Im 24 in july.. would I be entitled to maintenance grant/grant of any sort for fees for this hdip?

I would be grateful for sumones help?

Annasopra · 06-02-2013 9:54pm

Dalmighty wrote: »

okay heres my situation and would appreciate if someone could help!!

Im graduating this sept hons (level 8). have been accepted to higher diploma (equates to level 8).As far as I know seen as progression.

Im working part time at weekends,

Im 24 in july.. would I be entitled to maintenance grant/grant of any sort for fees for this hdip?

I would be grateful for sumones help?

It depends

Do you live at home? Have you always lived at home?

Dalmighty · 06-02-2013 10:02pm

at the minute I commute an hour a day to college living at home..

For the previous three years I lived away from home...

and from june for the hdip I will be away from home?

Annasopra · 06-02-2013 10:29pm

Dalmighty wrote: »

at the minute I commute an hour a day to college living at home..

For the previous three years I lived away from home...

and from june for the hdip I will be away from home?

It's hard to say.
I think looking at it that you might have to apply based on your parents income

There are no maintenance grants for postgraduate students

Depending on income you might get a fee grant of 2000 or 6270 if your income is very low

drphil90 · 20-02-2013 6:00pm

Hi, I'm looking at studying a masters in finance in either switzerland or the netherlands as the fees are far cheaper than the equivalent qualification in Ireland. Am I elegible to receive the grant towards a masters fee if I am studying abroad.?

Annasopra · 20-02-2013 9:55pm

drphil90 wrote: »

Hi, I'm looking at studying a masters in finance in either switzerland or the netherlands as the fees are far cheaper than the equivalent qualification in Ireland. Am I elegible to receive the grant towards a masters fee if I am studying abroad.?

No.

The grant is only available for postgrad courses in Ireland or Northern Ireland

mindbloggling · 21-02-2013 4:06pm

Dalmighty wrote: »

okay heres my situation and would appreciate if someone could help!!

Im graduating this sept hons (level 8). have been accepted to higher diploma (equates to level 8).As far as I know seen as progression.

Im working part time at weekends,

Im 24 in july.. would I be entitled to maintenance grant/grant of any sort for fees for this hdip?

I would be grateful for sumones help?

my understanding of this is that you have to be seen as progressing through the levels and if they are both level 8 you will prob not be entitled. your best chance is ask the college as SUSI are unsure of everything.

Postgraduate Fees

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