MP5 v MP7 v P90

Kashkai

Might treat myself to a late Xmas pressies/early birthday pressie this week. I like the MP5 but the MP7 is getting great reviews (gas bb and electric models both in Airsofteire). Then there's the iconic P90 for a Stargate fan like me. At some point I'd like to try indoor CQB so that's part of the reason I want one of these, but which one??? The MP5 would be my automatic choice but I do like the P90 as well. Then there's the MP7 which a lot of peeps seem to think highly of.

If it was the MP5, I'd get a G&G model. The P90 would be tougher as G&G and Marui do nice versions. The MP7 is Marui but comes in gbb and aeg models. Yup, I'm confused on this one and don't want to make the wrong decision.

S.E.A.L.s

Get an MP7, as they can be used with one hand as a pistol or with two hands as an SMG, there is a range up silencer for those long shots and little needs to be changed from new

Now, TM MP7 GBB Vs. TM MP7 AEP is another story, the GBB is epic and cannot be matched by anything in it's class, however spare mags (€50+ each) + gas + extras will cost a good bit more then the AEP, so the AEP is a more cost effective option and choose what's right for you

Orkfield

I honestly can't tell you which one to chose but I would recommend avoiding g&g for the time being as their products aren't as high quality as they used to be. They've begun to get a bad reputation as some of their guns are malfunctioning way to early in their life. For example I had a combat machine......budget gun but still respected.......I had it 4 months and played about 5 times and then semi fired on auto and so did safe......I opened it and the tappet plate snapped and it wasn't even under a lot of tension.......I've since upgraded. G&g's motors are also a weak point and break pretty easily......makes your gun look kinda cool with all smokey effects......until you realise that something is horribly wrong!!

Southern Dandy

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

Might treat myself to a late Xmas pressies/early birthday pressie this week. I like the MP5 but the MP7 is getting great reviews (gas bb and electric models both in Airsofteire). Then there's the iconic P90 for a Stargate fan like me. At some point I'd like to try indoor CQB so that's part of the reason I want one of these, but which one??? The MP5 would be my automatic choice but I do like the P90 as well. Then there's the MP7 which a lot of peeps seem to think highly of.

If it was the MP5, I'd get a G&G model. The P90 would be tougher as G&G and Marui do nice versions. The MP7 is Marui but comes in gbb and aeg models. Yup, I'm confused on this one and don't want to make the wrong decision.

There is a couple of things you should consider in this. First off there are aeg and gbb versions of the MP5 an MP7 but not the P90, even though WE had one in production but they are having licencing issue or something.

Anyways gbb are great fun but can be something of a cash pit, mags are expensive, the capacity is low so your guna need a few mags ideally, then you have to buy gas and gbb smg's require more maintenance.

AEG smg's are a lot more practical but gbb are great fun to shoot???? which do you find more appealing??. Personally I would go with an AEG.

I was recently at a CQB in bandon and a fella had a TM P90 and jebus that yolk was an animal. G&G have loads of MP5 variants and some have a blowback engine. I have heard some god things about the CYMA MP5 SD6 affordable and a good quality aeg, my two cents anyway.

Keegan

Having owned 3 different MP5's, 2 P90's and gamed TM mp7 (AEP) I'll throw you my 2 cents.

**Warning, I'm a bit of an MP5 fan boy**

MP5

Pros:
Many different types to suit your taste, Sliding stock, solid stock, folding stock, ambi and righty only selector models.
Mags are easy to get, I see many Irish retailers having both mid and high cap MP5 mags in stock.
Lots of brands make them, so price can be low or high depending on your choice.
Easy load out bulding, M4 pouches take 3 MP5 mags easy.


Cons:
Hi cap mag wheels. Dear god I hate those wheels.
Although there are many brands, not all are cross compatible. (I'm looking at you ICS & G&G)


P90

Pros:
Ambi controls and two stage trigger when set to auto.
Nice weight placement (KS model), the metal upper and gearbox placed in the rear of the lower makes it a nice balanced AEG.
Bullpup. It sports a 250mm inner barrel but it shorter then an M4 cqb and most MP5's.

Cons:
Mags. In short if they aren't TM then be ready for heartbreak, I've had ACM, CA and TM brand mags (hi and low) and the TM's very disappointed.
Mag size. Being the size they are your looking at getting in specific pouches and having a separate loud out, or you could get the M4 mag adapter but that destroys the look of the P90 (my view, feel free to disagree).
Semi auto death. Most P90's (due to the trigger mech design) will lose their ability to go Semi auto, but if you look online you can maintain and fix this issue (I did).

MP7 - Can only speak for the TM AEP with limited use so please take with a pinch of salt.

Pros:
Low weight, small size, quiet and stupidly accurate. CQB monster.
Mags like the MP5's can fit in M4 pouches and also the low caps nice nicely into pistol mag pouches.

Cons:
Low power. Sadly a lot of folks don't feel the hit.
Needs to be modded if you want to use standard batteries but will most likely lower the AEP's life. The one I had used was later reported to have gone to heaven due to cracked GB shell.


As I said can't speak much for the MP7, but I hope you found the post some what useful.

I Armour I

Well I can share some input here.

I faced a similar dilemma recently. I has a CA P90 that was upgraded but it just wasn't for me. The battery space and inability to play with the gun a little left little to be desired, though, the TM P90 fires flawlessly, and King Arms P90's externals are extremely nice. Don't get me wrong, they are a great gun, unique, easy to upgrade and fantastic on full auto. Accurate and can compete with M4's with a quick change of an inner barrel.

The pros and cons:
+Compact
+Easy to work with internals
+M4 Box mag converter
+Rails (Tri-rail version)
+Good externals
+Sheer unique look

-Mag feeding problems/hi-caps
-Battery Space
-Iron sights
-Trigger contacts/ semi problem
-Can't adjust stock/bad for long arms
-Gearbox right beside the ear

I don't have any experience with MP5's so I won't comment.

The MP7, in my experience and shared opinion with others, is the most fun GBB to shoot, overall the performance (marui), even more compact design and external quality are amazing. The only factor I would consider here is the cost, consumables and the loading nozzle.

The pros and cons:
+The accuracy is unparalleled for a RIF this size
+It is already legal without downgrades
+Good recoil
+Extremely fun to shoot
+has slightly more rail space than the other 2
+Runs on gas (personal preference)
+Has great iron sights (pistol flip to assault rifle sights)
+External Quality has expected by marui
+Good H&K Trades
+Great Rate of fire

-Cost
-Cost of mags
-Constant gas usage
-More maintenance (depending)
-Cool down effect
-Magazine loading (you have to put the gun on safe, hold the trigger, pull back the bolt so it will lock without a mag in. Then load the mag, unless you empty a mag and it's already locked back. brings me to the next point)
-Loading nozzle issue ( slamming mags in without the bolt back may damage or break the loading nozzle)
-lack of aftermarket parts at the moment.

All in all the guns have their good and bad. It depends on what you're looking for, don't let me persuade you. Are you looking for the crack of an AEG, dealing with batteries, potential Gearbox issues and easier playing?
Or the chunky thud of a GBB? the filling of gas, realistic capacity, recoil, fun shooting and flexibility?

To conclude, as I said, I had the P90 before, fired the other brands and while it is a great gun, fires well and is perfect for CQB, wasn't for me. My play style is run and gun now/ninja as oppose to the support, assault, marksmen etc. So the MP7 is very much for me. They all have similar ranges though TM would have the best accuracy. Also if you're planning on playing out doors, the bigger, AEG might be better as a smaller GBB wouldn't do well in our climate and the size wouldn't have the range as opposed to a P90/MP5 with a Tight bore...

So CQB: MP7 gets my vote,
Outdoors: the AEG's

My overall view: MP7 cause it's just too much fun

Hope this helps

--Armour

backthephilup

I see only one simple practical solution here Dave. Your going to have to buy one of all three. I look forward to your reviews
Also someone needs to say it so I suppose its going to have to be me "what about a KWA Kriss Vector?"

S.E.A.L.s

backthephilup wrote: »

I see only one simple practical solution here Dave. Your going to have to buy one of all three. I look forward to your reviews
Also someone needs to say it so I suppose its going to have to be me "what about a KWA Kriss Vector?"

Agreed, so 1 x Spring MP7, 1 x TM MP7 AEP (I've got one for sale) and 1 x TM MP7 GBB, which answers the KWA Kriss Vector question

Kashkai

Ok, if I wasn't confused before, I am now!

Don't get me wrong guys, I appreciate the great feedback but I'm no nearer to a decision now than I was earlier. The MP5 is iconic and I love the G&G model with the ump stock and rails for lasers, lights etc. it would also be a good gun for outdoors which is where I play atm.

The P90, well if I could pick one up cheap second hand, then I might be tempted but I think I'll discount it for now, which leaves the alternative as the MP7. My head would say go electric but the gbb version would appeal as I love my gbb pistols, a TM P226 & 1911MEU. That bang and recoil of a gbb is appealing and as I don't fire hundreds of bb's in a skirmish (I'm a one shot, one kill type:D), the limited mag capacity wouldn't be too much of an issue. As for the cool down effect, I've never noticed that with my gbb pistols, despite playing in cold weather.

S.E.A.L.s

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

Ok, if I wasn't confused before, I am now!

Don't get me wrong guys, I appreciate the great feedback but I'm no nearer to a decision now than I was earlier. The MP5 is iconic and I love the G&G model with the ump stock and rails for lasers, lights etc. it would also be a good gun for outdoors which is where I play atm.

The P90, well if I could pick one up cheap second hand, then I might be tempted but I think I'll discount it for now, which leaves the alternative as the MP7. My head would say go electric but the gbb version would appeal as I love my gbb pistols, a TM P226 & 1911MEU. That bang and recoil of a gbb is appealing and as I don't fire hundreds of bb's in a skirmish (I'm a one shot, one kill type:D), the limited mag capacity wouldn't be too much of an issue. As for the cool down effect, I've never noticed that with my gbb pistols, despite playing in cold weather.

For your purpose of use, maybe an MP5 would be the better option, unless you go for an MP7 with the range up silencer: http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9526

Also, for the GBB, this is a must have item: http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_197_214&products_id=9847

So let me assure you, the TM MP7 GBB will retrain your trigger finger and bring more joy then (can ever be written here)

Southern Dandy

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

Ok, if I wasn't confused before, I am now!

Don't get me wrong guys, I appreciate the great feedback but I'm no nearer to a decision now than I was earlier. The MP5 is iconic and I love the G&G model with the ump stock and rails for lasers, lights etc. it would also be a good gun for outdoors which is where I play atm.

The P90, well if I could pick one up cheap second hand, then I might be tempted but I think I'll discount it for now, which leaves the alternative as the MP7. My head would say go electric but the gbb version would appeal as I love my gbb pistols, a TM P226 & 1911MEU. That bang and recoil of a gbb is appealing and as I don't fire hundreds of bb's in a skirmish (I'm a one shot, one kill type:D), the limited mag capacity wouldn't be too much of an issue. As for the cool down effect, I've never noticed that with my gbb pistols, despite playing in cold weather.

I think you are nearer , you have just struck off the P90. You said yourself mag capacity is not an issue, one shot one kill etc so go with the GBB, far more fun than an aeg and its like a GBB pistol on steroids when you go full auto.

I Armour I

Southern Dandy wrote: »

I think you are nearer , you have just struck off the P90. You said yourself mag capacity is not an issue, one shot one kill etc so go with the GBB, far more fun than an aeg and its like a GBB pistol on steroids when you go full auto.

Second that. The GBB is a step in the right direction, plus it is waaaay easier to forget to charge battery or the bettery itself than to forget a whole can of gas! plus the cost involved there would keep you to the one shot one kill as you said. Plus its easier to get bored with a cheaper AEG than it is with a heavy investment. Can't go wrong with marui either..

Hope we have helped you out Dave

--Armour

Kashkai

Thanks to all. The MP7 gbb is now edging in front.

Had to go to Dundalk this evening to pick up a second hand G&G Raider (in great nick for just €90!!!) and thought I'd make it to Airsofteire to check out the MP7 in the flesh but lousy weather and traffic delayed me and it was 6.30pm when I got there. So the shop was shut:(. I could buy it sight unseen but it's over €370 so I'd like to handle one before parting with that much cash. Looks like another trip up north for me. Don't think any of the Dublin shops sell them.

Finally, while I've never arrived at a skirmish minus a charged battery, I have arrived minus my green gas. Luckily airsoft attracts friendly guys who will let you fill your mags from their gas cans.

kev-Oakridge

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

Thanks to all. The MP7 gbb is now edging in front.

Had to go to Dundalk this evening to pick up a second hand G&G Raider (in great nick for just €90!!!) and thought I'd make it to Airsofteire to check out the MP7 in the flesh but lousy weather and traffic delayed me and it was 6.30pm when I got there. So the shop was shut:(. I could buy it sight unseen but it's over €370 so I'd like to handle one before parting with that much cash. Looks like another trip up north for me. Don't think any of the Dublin shops sell them.

Finally, while I've never arrived at a skirmish minus a charged battery, I have arrived minus my green gas. Luckily airsoft attracts friendly guys who will let you fill your mags from their gas cans.

Hi Dave, save yourself a trip and check mine out, I live just off the curragh, great gun so it is, I have found it to be the most fun airsoft gun I've ever played with

Kashkai

Cheers Kevin. Might take you up on that as you're just 15 minutes drive from my place.

Actually, are you around Thursday afternoon by any chance as I'll be on my way back from a meeting down south and I'll be passing by the Curragh?

kev-Oakridge

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

Cheers Kevin. Might take you up on that as you're just 15 minutes drive from my place.

Actually, are you around Thursday afternoon by any chance as I'll be on my way back from a meeting down south and I'll be passing by the Curragh?

Sorry Dave not around Thursday at all, have a funeral in ballymore, drop me a pm for my number anyway, I'm heading out gaming on Sunday and am around Saturday

Kashkai

kev-Oakridge wrote: »

Sorry Dave not around Thursday at all, have a funeral in ballymore, drop me a pm for my number anyway, I'm heading out gaming on Sunday and am around Saturday

Hi kev

Don't suppose you're going to Redbarn on Sunday by any chance as I'll be there myself?

kev-Oakridge

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

Hi kev

Don't suppose you're going to Redbarn on Sunday by any chance as I'll be there myself?

I won't have the time to make it out to redbarn Sunday, need to head somewhere closer, on another note I'll drop ya a pm with my number, anytime tomorrow or Saturday afternoon suits me