GAS Boiler Time clocks

ted1

Hi,

I have a gas boiler, house was built in 1984 and i supect that its there fron the start.

At the moment, the it;s got a analogue clok where i can set it to coem on in 15 minute intervals, or have it off or permentaly on.
theres a dial in the boiler to set the power.
There i sno external thermostat.

without spending a fortune.

What kind of control can i add?
how about soemthing like this,

http://www.heatmisershop.co.uk/thermostats-c1/wifi-thermostats-c12/230v-or-volt-free-switching-models-c32/heatmiser-tm1-ts-wifi-wifi-time-clock-p100

Also We have a eelctric shower, Washign machine and dish washer. so we don't really have a need to heat the tank in th hot press. Is is possibel to turn this off and still heat the rads, what kind of savings would thsi achieve?

ted1

Anybody got any recomodations, boiler is a stelrad ideal classic nf50

Robbie.G

What your looking for is zoning.That is having two time controlled zones one for water and the other for heating.It could cost you in the region of €800-€1000 pipe work may need to be changed

Merch

Robbie.G wrote: »

What your looking for is zoning.That is having two time controlled zones one for water and the other for heating.It could cost you in the region of €800-€1000 pipe work may need to be changed

That much?? :eek: I was thinking of getting this done myself

I have a similar set up to the OP, rads are all (seem) to be on one loop and seperating them could be expensive (quite likely needlessly so) as you'd have to rip the place to pieces to see whats where and would still probably only find rads are all on one loop.
So it'd have to be heating and hot water zones for me, but you really think 800 to 100 quid!?? to get zone control for the above in???

dfin

ted1 wrote: »

how about soemthing like this,

http://www.heatmisershop.co.uk/thermostats-c1/wifi-thermostats-c12/230v-or-volt-free-switching-models-c32/heatmiser-tm1-ts-wifi-wifi-time-clock-p100

That would be good, although you could get similar model with hot water too. I know you said you don't really need it but might be convenient for occasional sink/bath or potential future use.

If budget allows consider some thermostatic rad valves

ted1 wrote: »

what kind of savings would thsi achieve?

SEAI say 20% for introducing controls http://www.seai.ie/Grants/Better_energy_homes/homeowner/What_Grants_Are_Available/Heating_Controls_Information.pdf. (This also gives guideline of €800 to €1000) There are definite efficiencies to be made but they are dependant on usage. Some of the savings may potentially be offset by behaviour changes. It can be easy to get used to increased comfort levels, people think ah well it's more efficient so I can leave it on a bit longer.

Get a few quotes from your local RGIs who will advise you of the best set up for your system. Your budget may be small now but they should be keen to get your business as you may likely call them back for your service or when you're replacing your boiler

Merch

dfin wrote: »

That would be good, although you could get similar model with hot water too. I know you said you don't really need it but might be convenient for occasional sink/bath or potential future use.

If budget allows consider some thermostatic rad valves

SEAI say 20% for introducing controls http://www.seai.ie/Grants/Better_energy_homes/homeowner/What_Grants_Are_Available/Heating_Controls_Information.pdf. (This also gives guideline of €800 to €1000) There are definite efficiencies to be made but they are dependant on usage. Some of the savings may potentially be offset by behaviour changes. It can be easy to get used to increased comfort levels, people think ah well it's more efficient so I can leave it on a bit longer.

Get a few quotes from your local RGIs who will advise you of the best set up for your system. Your budget may be small now but they should be keen to get your business as you may likely call them back for your service or when you're replacing your boiler

I just read that now, 800-1000 excluding grant, does that mean after the grant is deducted or before? I assume it means 800-1000, then you get your grant as some form of cheque??
It looks like its a €400 grant towards heating controls, thats a big chunk.

Merch

Just thinking about the grants, can you claim a grant if you do something yourself? I was thinking of doing internal insulation and I never really suspected a grant would be allowed if you did the work yourself. I started looking up the installation guides for insulated plasterboard, and it looks very possible, I can understand fitting a boiler is a different kettle of fish but following the manufacturers guides for the insulation, its a likely proposition you will be able to do insulation yourself, then just get someone to skim it (plastering, thats something I wont do). There is a good chance a person doing a thorough job would do a better job than a cowboy and if thorough almost as good a job as a professional? it really looks like it takes being thorough about joining insulated boarding panels and maintaining a good vapour barrier continuity/integrity? ensuring no cold bridges and if possible filling void spaces between flooring, looks like moisture resistant mineral wool would be good for that, as you could push it into spaces.

Even something as simple as insulating the attic, rolling out insulation, follow the recommendations of cross layering and filling all the gaps, ensuring its not compacted, now that would be even easier than the insulation above.

shane0007

Works must be carried out by a registered contractor with the SEAI in order for the homeowner to qualify for the grant.
You must have all the necessary qualifications & insurances for said works also.
Works must also be carried out to SEAI's code of practice & is audited by them for such.

Merch

shane0007 wrote: »

Works must be carried out by a registered contractor with the SEAI in order for the homeowner to qualify for the grant.
You must have all the necessary qualifications & insurances for said works also.
Works must also be carried out to SEAI's code of practice & is audited by them for such.

I just thought it might offset the cost of a lower cost end of the scale work, like attic insulation which would still reap good rewards.
Does that mean if I do lay out insulation in my attic in a ver y thorough and complete manner and decided to get a BER it wouldn't be counted even though it would likely reduce heat loss through the ceiling into the attic?

shane0007

Merch wrote: »

I just thought it might offset the cost of a lower cost end of the scale work, like attic insulation which would still reap good rewards.
Does that mean if I do lay out insulation in my attic in a ver y thorough and complete manner and decided to get a BER it wouldn't be counted even though it would likely reduce heat loss through the ceiling into the attic?

Afraid so. I know it seems a simple job, but there are also do's & don'ts when insulating. For example, sealing the attic door, leaving cross ventilation at eaves, having a boarded walkway to the water tanks, the proper method of insulating the tanks, etc.
It is probably the most common job carried out under the grant scheme that gets re-works callbacks, but then again it probably is the most common job receiving grant aid.

Merch

shane0007 wrote: »

Afraid so. I know it seems a simple job, but there are also do's & don'ts when insulating. For example, sealing the attic door, leaving cross ventilation at eaves, having a boarded walkway to the water tanks, the proper method of insulating the tanks, etc.
It is probably the most common job carried out under the grant scheme that gets re-works callbacks, but then again it probably is the most common job receiving grant aid.

Some of that is already done, but I think I will renew/beef up the existing insulation, hopefully before the next winter.

One thing I could not see here, (in any DIY store or builders merchants)
The vent cards that allow insulation to be pushed as close the wall as possible but still maintain a gap to allow ventilation up the felt, not for the whole way up the inside of the roof, but a molded shaped plastic that allows insulation into the space between the underside of the roof and the wall.